Who is Ron Paul?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:16 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:so is ron paul a drug, a plant? or a Xenophobe?

I so want to offer up "Xenuphobe" as an alternative, but I've pissed off enough people in the past couple of weeks.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:37 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:so is ron paul a drug, a plant? or a Xenophobe?
I so want to offer up "Xenuphobe" as an alternative, but I've pissed off enough people in the past couple of weeks.

Hope you're not including me on that list... (Nah... that thread was fun and it takes some serious work to piss me off!)

Anyhoo, back on topic!!

I have several friends that are voting for Ron Paul, but I just haven't had the time to research his views enough to see if I want to or not.

My cousin is married to a Morroccan who's here on work visa and insisting that I NOT vote for him as Ron Paul is (in her opinion) a strict isolationist who would cancel his visa in a heartbeat and would make getting a citizenship/green card even harder than it already is.

Donna, can you elaborate what you perceive Mr. Paul's views to be on the subject of immigration, specifically immigration for skilled workers?

(I sound like a fucking debate moderator... *sigh*)

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:52 pm

Alot of these "skilled" workers aren't all that skilled. Trust me, I've worked with some of em. Than again alot of American workers aren't taking pride in their work either. I recall a conversation with an Aussie friend some years ago about trade/labor/import/export stuff and the gist I got was in AU they try to keep everything in house to keep their people working. Only after their welders and machinist etc etc are employed and making parts in AU do they consider parts from others. This doesn't seem isolationist to me but rather common fucking sense to do whatever is necessary to keep our people working. As much as I dig the whole hippie lets fix the whole world mantra I gotta put my own countryfolk first. I gotta ackknowledge that some places are just plain fucked and cant be saved or fixed. Some folks don't want American/NWO solutions to their issues forced down their throats. Maybe a decade of isolationism will help us get our shit together. Immigration rules were different when my family came here. My grandfather had to be sponsored and work his ass off when he got here. The same should go for the current group.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:29 pm

Get this... Ron Paul wants to follow the laws... how about just following the laws on the books? That isn't what is happening right now.

Anybody a lawyer out there in eplaya land?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:39 pm

Obama is going to be Ron Paul Mama!

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:30 am

Immigration.....yes sir.....

notice how donna dodges the question....

you dont like mexicans, do you donna, i can smell it from here...

FUCK TOM TANCREDO, FUCK RON PAUL, AND FUCK ANYONE WHO WOULD TRY TO DENY ACCESS TO A PEOPLE WHO ONCED OWNED YOUR FUCKING LAND.

one day they will take it back and boot your asses up to canada.

Cabrons!

sorry, for all of you Gringos and Gringas....

Word in spanish with many different meanings. The real meaning is the male goat. Female is cabra and male is cabron. But slang use is far more common. Depending on countries it seems to have somehow different but similar meanings. A good definiton that would apply in almost all Spanish speaking countries would be asshole-fucker-bitch. In some places the word also means a person that is not with his partner. Example: Se fue de cabron. He went to fuck around. In this way it always has the connotation that he is looking for an affair.

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:24 am

was that a rant? not sure -

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:41 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:Immigration.....yes sir.....

notice how donna dodges the question....

Exactly why should I do mereth homework for her. She can Google Ron Paul just as easily as I can. I think she is more than capable of searching for the answer to her question. All his issues are on his webpage.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Ron Paul wants to execute the laws on the books. The President is the executive officer as per the Constitution. Seems logical to me. At least he doesn't want to be the head of the World Police like all the other candidates.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:52 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:
you dont like mexicans, do you donna, i can smell it from here...

FUCK TOM TANCREDO, FUCK RON PAUL, AND FUCK ANYONE WHO WOULD TRY TO DENY ACCESS TO A PEOPLE WHO ONCED OWNED YOUR FUCKING LAND.

one day they will take it back and boot your asses up to canada.

Here is a perfect example of someone accusing another person of exactly what they are.

We now know you are a racist pig. So, it seems you hate white people and want them forced out of the West? Wow. Very Nazi of you Simon. And you say you are part Jewish and you want a whole body of people kicked out of a region? Wow again.

Maybe you should stick your head in a toilet bowl for about an hour and regain consciousness.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:39 am

El plural es cabrones mi amigo.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:03 am

Con una raciÃ³n de matar de 1 a 100, no serÃ¡ un problema.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:56 am

Lessee... I would say, right now, the VP running mate to Mike Huckabee?

This year's tickets - Huckabee & Paul VS Edwards & Dean.

Anything else - on either side - is 4 more years of the same old same old.

And I would vote for either of those. Yep. Opposite sides of a fence, but the best (last?) hope to return to a respected and strong, proud nation. Anything else is buying into a lie. Think about it.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:08 pm

I'd probably vote for either of those tickets also.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:35 pm

On some website someone was urging us to use "Buck" and "Doe" instead of "Billy" and "Nanny" as the latter were somehow vulger or impolite of something uncooth. For me that's a real "what have you been smoking" concept. "Buck Goat" and "Doe Goat" just don't have the rhythm of "Billy Goat" and "Nanny Goat."

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:36 pm

[quote="Bay Bridge Sue]
Anything else - on either side - is 4 more years of the same old same old.

[/quote]

What? I guess you haven't heard of Obama.

Obama is gonna love you like a mama!

AIIZ

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:38 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: What? I guess you haven't heard of Obama.

Obama is gonna love you like a mama!

AIIZ

When I read this, I hear Oprah's voice in my head... *sigh*

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:55 pm

mereth wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: What? I guess you haven't heard of Obama.

Obama is gonna love you like a mama!

AIIZ
When I read this, I hear Oprah's voice in my head... *sigh*

Bringing in Oprah was a dumb move... you'll notice that she is not a "presence" any more... I haven't seen her of late....

Kinetik V · Post by **Kinetik V** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:10 pm

Iowa caucuses:

RESULTS:
Obama 37.53; Edwards 29.88; Clinton 29.41
Huckabee 34; Romney 25; Thompson 14; McCain 13%; Paul 10%
(per the AP wire)

The point to be made for the critics is that Ron Paul was able to garner 10% of the vote...in a very competitive race. That is a significant story in it's own right.

I still won't vote for him as I want my vote to make more of an impact during this election cycle. I'd like to see a Clinton / McCain race but McCain really has to step it up for that to happen.

One other thing to remember about Obama's "win". Bill Clinton didn't win his first state until the Georgia primary...she intends to run a national race and I betcha now that the gloves will come off, Obama's going to fall like a guy getting a swift kick in the crotch.

But back on topic...this does bode well for Ron Paul to build the foundation he needs for a successful run in 2012 if Hillary doesn't get it, or 2016 if she does.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:15 pm

Won't Paul be 82 if inagerated in '17? I didn't like our last trip down the path of senility presidency, even if it's beginning to look like a golden age in comparison to what we
ve got now.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:15 pm

Won't Paul be 81 if inagerated in '17? I didn't like our last trip down the path of senility presidency, even if it's beginning to look like a golden age in comparison to what we
ve got now.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:29 am

yea... looks like this year or not for Ron Paul... but there is a big push to get other candidate like him running for all sorts of seat everywhere.

Welcome to the new Republicians. (or should I say welcome back, as this is a move towards following the Constitution, not away from it)

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:27 am

I LIKE MIKE!!!!

he's the Andy Griffith of the Republican Party...

i cant WAIT to see who he chooses as his Barney Fife...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:44 am

Dang, posted twice. Sorry.

EricMagic · Post by **EricMagic** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:42 pm

Vote for Ron Paul!

Follow the Constitution and Support Govt by the People for the People.

NO Corp Rule and NO Communists and NO Gang Rule and NO Military Rule and NO Clique Rule

Burn Bright Freedom Moves and Inspiration

Long Live Patroits, Citizens, Burners, and Native Americans!

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:54 pm

Right on, Erik.

I see you are in CA some of the time. Want to help me call my people in my Precinct? I just signed up. I'm the only one in Nevada County.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:48 pm

Who is Ron Paul?

Who Cares?

Who are you?

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:34 pm

erri - you know damn well who I am...gee

Maybe a little gingko would help with your memory?

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:44 pm

Oh I remember you my delightful one. I remember you all to well that week in San Diego. I remember. How could forget. How could I forget.

Edit--
If I am wrong you brought a delightful memory back so thank you for that.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:51 pm

Here comes your man!

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:52 pm

It is the power of love!