Donna Matrix's Bible Trivia Question O' the Day !!!

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:01 am

erri2000 wrote:
Box Burner wrote:And there were twelve apostles. Did only four of them think that Christ was important enough to write about?
Maybe the other eight couldn't write. Also are you counting the new "Judas Scriptures" that where discovered in that four?

None of the apostles wrote a gosple. They were long gone dead and they were illiterate except Peter or was it paul that was Roman with Roman citizenship which is why is wasn't tried in a judaic court. He could only be tried in a roman court and his charges were dismissed!

Christianity is a Roman Religion!

One God in heaven=One Ruler on earth!

Constantine was from the eastern Rome in Constantinople. He hired the christian barbarians, as his father had before him, that were from outside the empire as did his rival.

He was never converted until in his deathbed too sick to fight off his appointed bishops. He'd be in hell (his only heaven) if there was such a place.

and have another cup of Fuck You!

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:09 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:None of the apostles wrote a gosple. They were long gone dead and they were illiterate except Peter or was it Paul

So do you think all the different gospels could be just old rough drafts of a script that was being written?

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:and have another cup of Fuck You!

Thank you I think I will. Mmmmmmm Fuck You!

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:33 am

Box Burner wrote:the real answer will surprise you. Christ was indeed a great teacher. and his teachings are worth listening to. However, most of what he said has been garbled, lost or simply tossed out by the (ta da) the Christians. He is no more a god than you or I. You should no more follow him than anyone else.

Faith indeed is important.

Christ was either who he said he was - the son of God OR he was as crazy as a loon.

The middle ground [Christ was indeed a great teacher.] is not an option. Unless of course one wants to follow a crazy man who thinks he is the son of God.

Yes, the Church had many canons (I think that's what they were called) and decided certain things... but this stuff is all written down and can be read (I've read some of it). I also have all the "lost books of the Bilble" and have read them.

The bottom line or whole point of scriptures is to tell about Jesus so people know who he is. The point is not the scriptures themselves. If you have a personal relationship with Jesus then that is more important than the Bible. So... getting all hung up on scriptures is a deviation of the Good News (Gospell).

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:36 am

Boy... certain people sure get upset when other people talk about Jesus... why is that?

The Truth either offends greatly or sets you free....

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:04 am

erri2000
The scriptures I reference are the King James version. The church did not know about the recently discovered books and so could not make any decision about them.

just because Paul was the only roman citizen did not mean that he was the only literate apostle.

Apollonaris Zeus

I am aware that there is some discussion outside of Christian circles that the gospels were actually written after the fact and not by the claimed authors. I was not making that point however.

I did not say that Constantine ever became a Christian.

Donna Matrix

Mi'Lady. I am not trying to dissuade you from being a Christian. I am just saying that there is so little of his actual words recorded, or that actually remain, that were we to have all his teachings the answer may surprise us.

We all came from the same place. There is only one place we can go to. What you believe in only determines how long it will take you to get there and to some extent, what experiences you will have along the way.

All roads do in fact, lead to Rome.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:10 am

OK oneeye, what was the last question?

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:23 am

Well said Box Burner.

Well said.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:44 am

I've got a question for everyone:

Who is qualified to speak about Jesus?

A. an apostate
B. an agnostic
C. an adherent
D. an archimage

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:35 am

I have a question for you Donna Matrix

Question, what is wrong with taking a "Jewish" attitude to the person that we call Jesus?

Great man.
Prophetic in wisdom.
And Rebel. (I added that one)

To think that he was the "Exclusive" anything is fallaciousness.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:42 am

To quote C. S. Lewis:

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

http://www.lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:49 am

Donna Matrix wrote:To quote C. S. Lewis:

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic-on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg-or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

http://www.lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt

Two things.

1. I never said he wasn't God. I said he is not exclusive.

B. The question wasn't "What does C. S. Lewis think?" it is what is wrong with thinking he was not exclusive?

I have a pretty cool story about when God sent me a sign. A hawk.

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:49 am

Just to play devil's advocate here (an ironic title if there ever was one), Donna, do you think it's possible that the text of what Jesus said was altered throughout the years (ever play "Telephone"?) to make him look like he said he was the son of God, but that if there were taped recordings of what he actually said, that it's possible that he never said that? Is it possible that because what he was teaching at the time (love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, help your fellow man and you'll get to heaven, etc.) that it's possible that his followers believed that he was the son of God, but that they put the words "I am God/the son of God" in his mouth?

Again, I'm not saying that I think that either scenario is true or not true, I'm just asking, do you think that it's possible?

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:53 am

He is no less God than you and I.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:02 pm

Well, one would have to look at the historical evidence to ascertain the answer.

http://www.josh.org/apologetics/prev_qu ... ist#102002

http://www.lib.ru/LEWISCL/mere_engl.txt

Both these sites devle into it. It's really a BIG topic and I can't adequately address here.

BTW - anything is possible.. .the real question is it probable.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:08 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:It's really a BIG topic and I can't adequately address here.

Hey I thought this was "Donna Matrix's Bible Trivia Question O' the Day !!!"

And the best thing about the electronic media is that is a never ending canvas waiting to be fill, but at the same time can be destroyed so quickly with the flick of a switch.

I just exposed myself as much as I could. I cried for you. (Edit I mean that was so tough to write I cried, it is a beautiful moment in my life that no one will ever take from me)

Now please pay me the same respect and at least try to answer the question, otherwise you are just sniping.

Also I think if Jesus was here right now he would say "Donna Matrix is alright in my book." Just my opinion.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:12 pm

I thought I did answer the question..

Anything is possible, but one has to look at the probablity to get to the heart of the matter.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:13 pm

In other words, it is possible that the whole Bible / Jesus thing is a hoax

But it's not probable.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:14 pm

Your point?

thisisthatwhichis · Post by **thisisthatwhichis** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:17 pm

Box Burner wrote: We all came from the same place. There is only one place we can go to. What you believe in only determines how long it will take you to get there and to some extent, what experiences you will have along the way.

All roads do in fact, lead to Rome.

Wow, nicely said....... That deserves a double quote...........

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:21 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:In other words, it is possible that the whole Bible / Jesus thing is a hoax

But it's not probable.

---Harsh language below sensitive eyes should avert ----

Who is saying anything is a hoax?

You are the only one. No one else. You think about that.

I have not heard one forum member state that there is no God or Jesus (And Simon of the playa is just being an asshole on purpose, he doesn't count). Just you saying that everyone but you is taking the wrong route to God.

How the fuck did you go to burning man and not have your fucking head explode? What camp where you in "Blinderville"?

You win my WTF of the day award. Now stop dancing or stop judging!

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:26 pm

My point:

If one only looks to the possibilities then the sky is the limit... anything goes.

But if one wants to be critical and concise... one has to look at the probabilities of X.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:30 pm

erri2000 wrote:
Donna Matrix wrote:In other words, it is possible that the whole Bible / Jesus thing is a hoax

But it's not probable.
---Harsh language below sensitive eyes should avert ----

Who is saying anything is a hoax?

You are the only one. No one else. You think about that.

I have not heard one forum member state that there is no God or Jesus (And Simon of the playa is just being an asshole on purpose, he doesn't count). Just you saying that everyone but you is taking the wrong route to God.

How the fuck did you go to burning man and not have your fucking head explode? What camp where you in "Blinderville"?

You win my WTF of the day award. Now stop dancing or stop judging!

Whoa.... I am not judging... mereth asked me a question.... and you claimed I didn't answer it.

Look at the question again. I never said everybody else is wrong... everybody has the right to think whatever they want about Jesus and the Bible.

Gee.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:31 pm

mereth wrote:Just to play devil's advocate here (an ironic title if there ever was one), Donna, do you think it's possible that the text of what Jesus said was altered throughout the years (ever play "Telephone"?) to make him look like he said he was the son of God, but that if there were taped recordings of what he actually said, that it's possible that he never said that? Is it possible that because what he was teaching at the time (love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek, help your fellow man and you'll get to heaven, etc.) that it's possible that his followers believed that he was the son of God, but that they put the words "I am God/the son of God" in his mouth?

Again, I'm not saying that I think that either scenario is true or not true, I'm just asking, do you think that it's possible?

Here's the question again.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:33 pm

Donna Matrix wrote:My point:

If one only looks to the possibilities then the sky is the limit... anything goes.

But if one wants to be critical and concise... one has to look at the probabilities of X.

First "Take Mercy" on yourself lady.

Second "the possibilities" yes we agree.

Third you are the only one being precise.

Fifth What is X, Slang for MDMA?

Forth you are FUCKING KILLING ME!!! I am done for the day.

And to Oneeyeddick I ask with all respect,

WHAT THAT FUCK WAS THE ANSWER TO TO THE LAST QUESTION!!!!!

mereth · Post by **mereth** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:35 pm

(Devil's advocate again)
People since time immemorial have had a tendency to make someone look bigger, better than they are in efforts to have a good story, make a good point, etc. "Tall tales" abound in every civilization. Knowing that in storytelling in general that this is the tendency of man - to make something bigger than it is to have a good story to tell, I'd say that the probability of the early followers of Jesus to make Him look bigger and better are pretty high. Which part of the scriptures that they did that with is obviously subject to nothing but opinion at this late juncture, however.

OK, I'll shut up now.

I'd rather not bake my mustard seed anymore.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:39 pm

Yes, mereth. That's one way of looking at the whole thing. After all, all anyone can do is surmise from ones data. New data - new conclusions.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:49 pm

Jesus said, "let me know when you are finished killing each other, my children".

True fact.

BitterDan · Post by **BitterDan** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:53 pm

"If a faithful account was rendered of Man's ideas upon Divinity, he would be obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word "gods" has been used to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed; that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known causes ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty, terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods...When, therefore, he ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon...does he, in fact, do anything more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe?" -- Paul Heinrich Dietrich, Baron von Holbach, SystÃ©me de la Nature, London, 1770

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:04 pm

BitterDan,

How else could an unbeliever explain it?

It's a simple question.....

Did God create man?

OR

Did man create god?

BTW- each of us have a choice and the answer only has to "right" for the person choosing not for the other person.

Donna Matrix · Post by **Donna Matrix** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:13 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Jesus said, "let me know when you are finished killing each other, my children".

True fact.

Source please.