What do you do when...

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:29 am

I have a question? Since you donâ€™t want to step on anyoneâ€™s good time at the Burn what do you do when you see someone do something that they think is â€œFunâ€

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:30 am

Especially in the case of explodables, I'd feel obliged to warn any unsuspecting bystanders of the danger...Wasn't someone posting earlier about having been injured this way last year?
Propane cannisters are supposed to be designed to blow OFF without blowing UP, but I wouldn't stand next to one in a firepit just to test that.
Yeah, I know, "Read The Back Of Your Ticket"....But speaking for myself, I'd feel bad if I just walked away and someone got hurt.

phil · Post by **phil** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:20 pm

There are too many variables to let me provide a generalization. I'm all for standing back and lettting the fools fall where they may, I say.

I used to work at a place that used canned ether to start diesel engines (back in the 60s). We had burn barrels to stand around to warm up, and all 'empty' ether cans were dropped in for public amusement, and generally when someone was walking up who didn't know what was going to happen. shrug - there's no common sense.

Personally, I think it's unfair to name a particular group, as you have. My suggestion is that if you see behavior that violates your personal concept of common sense, walk away and post an angry rant about it six months later. But don't name names.

I'm not the police. I don't control the behavior of people at Burning Man, and i don't control your behavior. So they get to throw anything in their fire they want to, and you get to post to eplaya months later complaining about their behavior. C'est la vie.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:37 pm

Just yell fire in the hole when tossing stuff into the car-b-que. Was the dude that tossed the propane tank into the fire baldheaded wearing khaki pants with a buddha belly? If so sorry.. that was me. I didn't put any poop in there though, the big pile of TP had used rubbers and empty cig boxes in the middle not poop.

If you are really concerned about safety keep in mind in Gigsville its Safety THIRD!

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:40 pm

phil wrote:There are too many variables to let me provide a generalization. I'm all for standing back and letting the fools fall where they may, I say.

I used to work at a place that used canned ether to start diesel engines (back in the 60s). We had burn barrels to stand around to warm up, and all 'empty' ether cans were dropped in for public amusement, and generally when someone was walking up who didn't know what was going to happen. shrug - there's no common sense.

Personally, I think it's unfair to name a particular group, as you have. My suggestion is that if you see behavior that violates your personal concept of common sense, walk away and post an angry rant about it six months later. But don't name names.

I'm not the police. I don't control the behavior of people at Burning Man, and i don't control your behavior. So they get to throw anything in their fire they want to, and you get to post to eplaya months later complaining about their behavior. C'est la vie.

Wow thank you for that sound advice.

I wish I had your common sense. Your really cool! I will remember that when if I see you.

Question about your statement? If someone does not know what everyone else does then how is it "Common Sense"

And do not think I am blaming anyone from Gigsville, I found them all to be very cordial, they actually gave me a delicious cordial, a bloody mary, they are good people, very laid back.

The person that threw the canister in was some idiot that walked through the camp not someone from Gigsville. And I use the word idiot not in anger but in relation to where I believe this guy to falls on the intellectual scale.

So in a nutshell you are saying If I see something really fucked up, just turn around and leave.

I will try your philosophy now.

Good-Bye Phil.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:04 pm

Toolmaker wrote:Just yell fire in the hole

Thanks that is easy to remember. I won't have that problem again.

Token · Post by **Token** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:14 pm

Since you named names...

Remember that Gigsville is a "Safety Third" kind of a place.

If the fella that tossed the baby-propane can into the car-bque was a 'villain, they fer sure knew that the built-in relief valve would prevent anything more than a dramatic propane fart. Methinks he was fucking with you on purpose.

If it was a random jackass as you are inferring (I doubt that), you were indeed saved by the genius of the government regulatory industry.

The point is, you were only in as much perceived danger as your own ignorance allowed. i.e. there was little real danger there.

If a 'villain went and done tossed some 9mm rounds in the same fire pit, would you be ducking for cover or lighting up a roman candle and shooting it at the fucker?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:52 pm

erri2000 wrote: Question about your statement? If someone does not know what everyone else does then how is it "Common Sense"

I agree that there's no such thing as "Common Sense." I tend to go with the Einsteinian definition that it's the "sum total of everything you learned before the age of eighteen." When you think of how different people's upbringings are, it shouldn't be much of a surprise that some people act in completely stupid ways. (I've been one of them on more than one occasion.) Also, when you're chemically altered as so many at the burn are...

phil · Post by **phil** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:24 pm

Token wrote:Since you named names...

Remember that Gigsville is a "Safety Third" kind of a place.

>SNIP<

And spelling is fourth.

Token · Post by **Token** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:48 pm

At least it is on the list...

phil · Post by **phil** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:49 pm

> At least it is on the list...

:->

I love camping next to Gigsville. I come back with great stories every year.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:30 pm

I get it â€œRead the Ticketâ€

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:32 pm

Safety Third is a play on the job safety signs you see all over every construction site.

SAFETY FIRST signs get old.

phil · Post by **phil** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:11 pm

> Thanks, just wanted to ask.

No problem. After all, this _is_ the Q&A section.

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:32 pm

Personally, I would do everything in my power to make sure the tank-tosser stayed right by the fire. You wouldn't want him to miss out on the fun!

EB · Post by EB » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:42 pm

Token wrote: The point is, you were only in as much perceived danger as your own ignorance allowed. i.e. there was little real danger there.

Wow. That's rich.

The CO · Post by **The CO** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:49 pm

I will say, there is a time & place for rangers. When some asshats next to Booby Bar/behind M*A*S*H started dumping their RV greywater on Sunday night, I had no qualms about going over to Station Berlin & getting the khakis involved. Mostly 'cause I did not want any Terminal City camps getting blamed for it.

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:13 pm

phil wrote:> Thanks, just wanted to ask.

No problem. After all, this _is_ the Q&A section.

Don't be so proud of yourself Phil. You didn't do me any favors. I didn't say I was going to try to stop anything you want to do for fun, but your fun stops at my mousy nose. And vice a versa.

When toolmaker let me know about the safety features of the canister and to yell fire in the hole, that was a good thing.

But to state that if someone got hurt it would be their fault for not being aware, when others around you are aware of the danger is just ludicris.

This opens the door to do whatever without the fear of punishment. You are not aware, therefore it is your fault. This is selfish thinking, in my book. That is not right.

I thought Safety Third was funny when I first saw it. I don't get the joke anymore.

I am not even going to post all the American Dream theme stuff that I came up with that would kill people by accident if they weren't watching. My favorite included javelins with flags attached shot from crossbows across the playa?

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:32 pm

It seems our fair mouse wasn't forewarned before being sent to Gigsville. Fire in the hole is normal, I know I wasn't the only one tossin shit in the thing. I missed out on the actual contest

But I was riding one of the muatant vehicles in deep playa bundled up in my sleeping bag and got to meet some great people through the night. The unicorns were gone when I got back to camp but the fire performances I got to see out on the playa made up for missing that. Anyway back to the bullet ridden bus, anyone tossin shit in there knows their shit about shit. The type of villian that works hard but likes to play even harder. You might even see some consensual violence and stuff some may think is naughty. This is also normal for villians. I have also heard of consenual date rape but I didn't fall victim to that particular pleasure.. I did wake up with sharpie all over one morning though. Maybe Uberman can "hold" your crossbow to shot something. Kinda like the pants cannon but with flags? What would the javelin part be? Something with pool noodles maybe?

(note to self.. smuggle roman candles in with gear)

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:12 am

Toolmaker wrote: You might even see some consensual violence and stuff some may think is naughty.

Consensual, and that is why the question was not "what do you do when you don't appreciate the way someone else is having a good time?"

This had nothing to do with consensual anything. No one warned me, I didn't see anything to be warned about, actually I was sent to use the fire by a camp mate.

I got my answer, yell fire in the hole.

As for the underlining message I will stay out of - CLOSED MIND ZONES - in the future, message received.

stargeezer · Post by **stargeezer** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:23 am

If the fella that tossed the baby-propane can into the car-bque was a 'villain, they fer sure knew that the built-in relief valve would prevent anything more than a dramatic propane fart. Methinks he was fucking with you on purpose.

That built-in relief valve is a safety feature that is not intended to be used. I would have to agree with erri2000 on this subject, throwing that canister into the fire is downright ignorant. If the relief valve had failed, the area would have been showered in shrapnel. If you really need to make a propane fart, take a ziplock sandwich bag and fill it with propane and then toss that into a fire.

Maybe next time someone will walk by with a full canister of propane and toss that into the fire and just continue to walk away. I am sure that will get a lot of laughs!!

If you want to verify that a safety device works, why don't you drive headon into a rock wall and check our your airbag!!

BitterDan · Post by **BitterDan** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:27 am

[quote]hat do you do when you see someone do something that they think is â€œFunâ€

Zhust · Post by **Zhust** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:03 pm

The CO wrote:Personally, I would do everything in my power to make sure the tank-tosser stayed right by the fire. You wouldn't want him to miss out on the fun!

Spot on. My thoughts exactly. Use the guy as a human shield. Either nothing happens and Mr. Trickster gets to have a good laugh, or something goes awry and Mr. Malicious gets his face melted. Justice for all!

"Fire in the hole" is a good one, too: warn others. Nothing says you can't tell anyone else when you think something is dangerous. Watch how you say it, though: stating theories as fact can make you look like a jackass ("get out of here! That propane tank is going to blow up") versus telling others what the situation is and letting them make their own decisions / educate you ("that guy threw in a propane tank and I don't feel safe about it.")

Then again, it's Burning Man. Your mileage may vary.

Token · Post by **Token** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:14 pm

This is exactly why it is hard to explain Gigsville to people who don't already get the concept.

Yes, it is dangerous.
Yes, sometimes people get hurt.
That is part of the appeal.

Tolerance to risk and risky behavior is accepted in Gigsville. If you want to avoid high risk behavior, don't go to Gigsville.

Then again, compared to the May camping trip, Gigsville at BM is downright tame in comparison.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:05 pm

Like the sign says..

We're not doing it cuz its smart. Or something like that.

One of the reasons I was soo damn happy to be blessed with the invite to camp in Gigsville is because of the danger. Believe it or not some of us like to blow shit up and be in the path of flying debris. I only wish my foot c was in better shape so I coulda played rough with some of the other villians. I saw some wrestling type action goin on that looked like alot of fun.

One dangerous thing I have always wanted to try but didn't catch at BM or Gigsville is bike jousting on tall bikes. This is also a dangerous sport but TONS of fun. Theres a good docu out called B.I.K.E I think that covers this wonderful sport. I think wahts happening now is that alot of people that have started becoming burningman participants don't understand the freedoms desired by others and want to regulate the event or put a stop to dangerous activity. This will just turn the actual event into a Disney type of place and hardcore folks will find somewhere else to party. If this does happen I think alot of the "dangerous" types that put on some of the best shows will no longer be puttin on those shows.

I really wish I would have made it to BM 17 years ago when I first heard about it, it was a little too peaceful and tame for me in alot of ways this past year. Don't get me wrong.. I had a GREAT time and loved damn near every minute. Oh well maybe if I make 08 I will get to find some ppl to do roman candle battles with.

Rat Bastard · Post by **Rat Bastard** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:37 pm

Fuck me! I had no idea gigsville was so full of psychotic maniacs. What the fuck? I had always thought it was just a bunch of vets that didn't like noobs. I've heard the safty third thing before and did find it humorous. However...

Aw fuck it, I can't wait to stop by there this year. Sounds like a good time. I'll be sure to be rather lit first. Cause everyone knows, blowing shit up works a lot better after half a bottle of scotch.

WOOOHOOOO.

My question on this is, was the person that told him to use the CarBQ for cooking food playing a practical joke? Who in their right mind would cook ANYTHING over a burn pyre at BM? How'd those condoms enhance the flavor of the food? Did it make your meal salty?

I can't wait for this year. At the end of last year I thought, fuck this, takin a year off.

Speakin of blowin shit up. We got our Xmas Tree Burn coming up in two weeks. 300+ trees burned at once. "Now dat's a fyre"

erri2000 · Post by **erri2000** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:41 pm

Rat Bastard wrote:My question on this is, was the person that told him to use the CarBQ for cooking food playing a practical joke?

That is kind of my guess too.

phil · Post by **phil** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:13 pm

> That is kind of my guess too.
> _________________
> The Official Enemy of Myself

erri, may I ask a favor? Would you check to see if one of your legs is longer than the other lately? Say, since, oh, Labor Day Weekend or so? Or this week?

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:26 pm

Rat Bastard wrote:Fuck me! I had no idea gigsville was so full of psychotic maniacs. What the fuck? I had always thought it was just a bunch of vets that didn't like noobs. I've heard the safty third thing before and did find it humorous. However...

Aw fuck it, I can't wait to stop by there this year. Sounds like a good time. I'll be sure to be rather lit first. Cause everyone knows, blowing shit up works a lot better after half a bottle of scotch.

WOOOHOOOO.

My question on this is, was the person that told him to use the CarBQ for cooking food playing a practical joke? Who in their right mind would cook ANYTHING over a burn pyre at BM? How'd those condoms enhance the flavor of the food? Did it make your meal salty?

I can't wait for this year. At the end of last year I thought, fuck this, takin a year off.

Speakin of blowin shit up. We got our Xmas Tree Burn coming up in two weeks. 300+ trees burned at once. "Now dat's a fyre"

Believe it or not it does get used for cooking. I don't think many folk that cook on it tend to be the type to worry about favoring, I know I sure as hell don't. I like to use acetone or mek to start the woodstove when I had one to get that shit goin quick.

TikiFuckos put on a BBQ that was off the chain on Weds, greatest fuckin roast pig I ever had. I think the atmosphere had alot to do with it, I meet some cool people while stoned off my ass and got enough in my belly to take the first shit I had in days! I got in early to setup so by Mon I was doin the rabbit poop thing.

I got to light off the flame cannon at 4 and C damn near every night. That really made up for not being able to go out dancing. I even got to learn some of the initial basics about spinning poi but I have been practicing and don't think I have enough rythm for it. Maybe a sword would be best for my fat ass to light up and play with.

PS I only tossed my can in AFTER seeing numerous other regulars. I don't think I was the one that spooked erri since when I tossed mine in I don't think anyone was around to hear fire in the hole. I also stayed to watch the effect from a short distance away. If I make it next year I am certainly going to make damn sure I catch the contest and maybe offer up a concoction of my own for everyones pleasure. Nothing with schrapnel though, maybe something kinda different that the other folks dont do. No more hints

But I will be bringin a leafblower and when a duststorm kicks up I will bust out the leafblower and do my part to keep the good times rolling.

Dustdevil · Post by **Dustdevil** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:33 pm

[quote="Rat Bastard"]Fuck me! I had no idea gigsville was so full of psychotic maniacs. What the fuck? I had always thought it was just a bunch of vets that didn't like noobs. I've heard the safty third thing before and did find it humorous. However...

Gigsville was the original host for the Great Canadian Beaver Eating contest AND the Island of Misfit Strippers.