Donna Matrix's Bible Trivia Question O' the Day !!!

[capjbadger]

what dictionary are you using?

I suppose it doesn't surprise me that all you can do is copy-paste rather than write for yourself. Kind of like your life. Copy-pasting what you're told instead of thinking for yourself...

Semantics again. You still fail to address the facts that your christian western civilization did not develop or invent the thing of which you spoke of.

I have given you facts and you can't even come back with a logical reply for debate. That's kind of sad.

Badger

[Kinetik V]

Another useful tactic is to get people drawn off on tangents and side issues while the main questions get ignored. It seems to be quite effective here, especially of late.

[Donna Matrix]

You seem to think it's ok do with the book of GOD (aka the Bible). Why shouldn't they follow your example?

Read your history. It is well known that scientists of that era wrote church supporting stuff in their publicly accessable works out of fear of the church and reserved their true thoughts to their private diaries that we am now uncovering.

Badger

When have I picked stuff out of the Bible and said it was lies? when?

Prove it is "well known" by quoting sources - exactly who else believes that these scientists wrote church supporting stuff out of fear? And what is their supporting data regarding such belief?

Shit or get off the pot.

[Donna Matrix]

Another useful tactic is to get people drawn off on tangents and side issues while the main questions get ignored. It seems to be quite effective here, especially of late.

babble, babble, babble... say something intelligent. But I must admit you are very good at finger pointing.

[capjbadger]

Another useful tactic is to get people drawn off on tangents and side issues while the main questions get ignored. It seems to be quite effective here, especially of late.

Thread drift on the Eplaya?? The hell you say! lol

Yeah, typical tactic. I'm pretty used to it from growing up with my grandparents. Grandma was the Queen of Topic Changes and Emperess of the Tagent Islands. hah

Badger

[erri2000]

erri - what is your American Dream?

My dreams are to big for a feeble minded fop as yourself to even start to understand. If you did want to know about me you would really ask. That is to broad of a topic.

And I ask you first. You is your American Dream? You made the statement now, back it up.

And I will be back with a special video message for you in a few.

I have heard enough.

Where oh where is Oneeyeddick? What was the answer to that last question.

[Donna Matrix]

what dictionary are you using?

I suppose it doesn't surprise me that all you can do is copy-paste rather than write for yourself. Kind of like your life. Copy-pasting what you're told instead of thinking for yourself...

Semantics again. You still fail to address the facts that your christian western civilization did not develop or invent the thing of which you spoke of.

I have given you facts and you can't even come back with a logical reply for debate. That's kind of sad.

Badger

We are using words. Words have meanings. Therefore when a person uses a word it has a distinct meaning. This is called a syllogism (logic). Syllogism have a major premise, a minor premise and a conclusion.

If you want to rewrite the dictionary - go ahead, but people will have a hard time understanding you.

You can mock me all you want. You can falsely accuse me all you want. But it doesn't change reality. You see, we have a written record of all that has transpired here. It's easy to go back and follow the discussion.

He who tries to paint the other in a corner often paints himself in instead.

[Badger]

erri - what is your American Dream?

That people engage their brains before their mouths - especially in the realm of critical thinking.

[Donna Matrix]

erri - what is your American Dream?

My dreams are to big for a feeble minded fop as yourself to even start to understand. If you did want to know about me you would really ask. That is to broad of a topic.

And I ask you first. You is your American Dream? You made the statement now, back it up.

And I will be back with a special video message for you in a few.

I have heard enough.

Where oh where is Oneeyeddick? What was the answer to that last question.

I answered you way back you little mouse... silly little mouse... forgot to read the post again?

[Donna Matrix]

American Dream = All Constitutional provisions are followed by the Federal Government + All State Constitutional provisions are followed by the state governments = Freedom

Here it is.. now you can read it.

[capjbadger]

You seem to think it's ok do with the book of GOD (aka the Bible). Why shouldn't they follow your example?

Read your history. It is well known that scientists of that era wrote church supporting stuff in their publicly accessable works out of fear of the church and reserved their true thoughts to their private diaries that we am now uncovering.

Badger

When have I picked stuff out of the Bible and said it was lies? when?

Prove it is "well known" by quoting sources - exactly who else believes that these scientists wrote church supporting stuff out of fear? And what is their supporting data regarding such belief?

Shit or get off the pot.

Read through the whole of leviticus and tell me that you follow and agree with it all. Then try and tell me you don't pick and choose.

I'll have to get back to on the cites. I'll need a little time too dig up the info.

Now about what I posted. You going to answer that?

Badger

[Kinetik V]

Another useful tactic is to get people drawn off on tangents and side issues while the main questions get ignored. It seems to be quite effective here, especially of late.

babble, babble, babble... say something intelligent. But I must admit you are very good at finger pointing.

Sigh...I'm just enjoying some plinko target practice with an online 6 shooter so to speak. My speciality area is Svecchachara but I admit to following this thread because I'm interested in reading a lay person's view of Scientology...versus getting my info sensationalized through the media. So to simplify this...less cut and paste...more intelligent posting from you would be refreshing.

[capjbadger]

what dictionary are you using?

I suppose it doesn't surprise me that all you can do is copy-paste rather than write for yourself. Kind of like your life. Copy-pasting what you're told instead of thinking for yourself...

Semantics again. You still fail to address the facts that your christian western civilization did not develop or invent the thing of which you spoke of.

I have given you facts and you can't even come back with a logical reply for debate. That's kind of sad.

Badger

We are using words. Words have meanings. Therefore when a person uses a word it has a distinct meaning. This is called a syllogism (logic). Syllogism have a major premise, a minor premise and a conclusion.

If you want to rewrite the dictionary - go ahead, but people will have a hard time understanding you.

You can mock me all you want. You can falsely accuse me all you want. But it doesn't change reality. You see, we have a written record of all that has transpired here. It's easy to go back and follow the discussion.

He who tries to paint the other in a corner often paints himself in instead.

You babble on and yet still do not address the original topic which started our conversation. Typical.

Badger

[Donna Matrix]

Another useful tactic is to get people drawn off on tangents and side issues while the main questions get ignored. It seems to be quite effective here, especially of late.

babble, babble, babble... say something intelligent. But I must admit you are very good at finger pointing.

Sigh...I'm just enjoying some plinko target practice with an online 6 shooter so to speak. My speciality area is Svecchachara but I admit to following this thread because I'm interested in reading a lay person's view of Scientology...versus getting my info sensationalized through the media. So to simplify this...less cut and paste...more intelligent posting from you would be refreshing.

This isn't the Scientology thread, this is Bible Trivia Thread.

[Kinetik V]

This isn't the Scientology thread, this is Bible Trivia Thread.

I know what thread this is.
And reading your replies here has helped me with reading your other posts...
Anyway back on topic...

[Donna Matrix]

capjbadger

What was the original topic you are talking about - specifically? There are so many topics on this thread and I am answering many people. Please be specific. K?

[capjbadger]

You seem to think it's ok do with the book of GOD (aka the Bible). Why shouldn't they follow your example?

Read your history. It is well known that scientists of that era wrote church supporting stuff in their publicly accessable works out of fear of the church and reserved their true thoughts to their private diaries that we am now uncovering.

Badger

When have I picked stuff out of the Bible and said it was lies? when?

Prove it is "well known" by quoting sources - exactly who else believes that these scientists wrote church supporting stuff out of fear? And what is their supporting data regarding such belief?

Shit or get off the pot.

Read through the whole of leviticus and tell me that you follow and agree with it all. Then try and tell me you don't pick and choose.

I'll have to get back to on the cites. I'll need a little time too dig up the info.

Now about what I posted. You going to answer that?

Badger

Here is the easiest "shit" sinceit has all the cites already built in.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo#Church_controversy

Read.

Badger

[Donna Matrix]

Kinetic V

cool

[thisisthatwhichis]

*pulls up a lawn chair with a round of cocktails to watch the fireworks*...

[capjbadger]

capjbadger

What was the original topic you are talking about - specifically? There are so many topics on this thread and I am answering many people. Please be specific. K?

*chuckle* Weren't you just talking about how everything here is in writing for everyone to see?

The bit where you claimed that all these wonderful things (math, physics, chemistry, etc) are due to "Western Civilization", and I replied with a run down of all the real sources of those things which all happened to occur BC by non-christians (of course since he hadn't been even born yet) whom you attribute our western civilization to.

Does that help?

Badger

[Rob the Wop]

We are using words. Words have meanings. Therefore when a person uses a word it has a distinct meaning. This is called a syllogism (logic). Syllogism have a major premise, a minor premise and a conclusion.

We are using words.
Words have meanings.
Therefore when a person uses a word it has a distinct meaning.

In no part of this so-called syllogism do you distinguish that a specific meaning is assigned to the word. Except in the conclusion.

We --> words
Words --> meanings
We --> words --> distinct meaning

To be a logical syllogism:

'We' is a word
Words have meanings
'We' has meanings

You have to join the M-P to S-M in such a manner that P-S. Not restate the whole argument in the conclusion. But you sure did made him look uneducated with that dig. Bravo toots.

[Donna Matrix]

I read yours, now read mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair (This is the link to yours)

and

http://www.case.edu/artsci/rlgn/haas/RLGN240Syl.htm

Very informative regarding science and religion...

[Box Burner]

*pulls up a lawn chair with a round of cocktails to watch the fireworks*...

Is it the 4th of July already? I love fireworks.

Pass the popcorn please.

[pinemom]

...cool, I like pretty lights!

Pulls up yet another chair, and brings a porta bar in a ice chest...

Drinks anyone?

[Donna Matrix]

The bit where you claimed that all these wonderful things (math, physics, chemistry, etc) are due to "Western Civilization", and I replied with a run down of all the real sources of those things which all happened to occur BC by non-christians (of course since he hadn't been even born yet) whom you attribute our western civilization to.

Does that help?

Badger

Yep.. sure does. This is my answer:

From the point where Western Civilization "started" - say the day Christ was born or sometime soon thereafter - up to now (assuming we are still in "Western Civilization") it's been "Western Civilization" that have "developed" these "wonderful things" named above. The other "civilization" are not credited with this development.

There - is that plain enough for you?

[capjbadger]

I read yours, now read mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair (This is the link to yours)

and

http://www.case.edu/artsci/rlgn/haas/RLGN240Syl.htm

Very informative regarding science and religion...

Oook... I read the first link which still backs up what I was saying about that he was in fear of the church. The had him under house arrest for a good chunk of his life and forced him to recant his heresy (which was usually punishable by death if you didn't have connections in that day and age).

"Galileo was required to recant his heliocentric ideas, declaring the immobility of the sun to be "absurd in philosophy and formally heretical", and the mobility of the Earth "to be at least erroneous in faith";

He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest for the rest of his life.

His offending Dialogue was banned; and in an action not announced at the trial, publication of any of his works was forbidden, including any he might write in the future[13] "

You prove my point with your own link.

As for your second link, was that the right one? All it is is a college course catalog.


Badger

[capjbadger]

The bit where you claimed that all these wonderful things (math, physics, chemistry, etc) are due to "Western Civilization", and I replied with a run down of all the real sources of those things which all happened to occur BC by non-christians (of course since he hadn't been even born yet) whom you attribute our western civilization to.

Does that help?

Badger

Yep.. sure does. This is my answer:

From the point where Western Civilization "started" - say the day Christ was born or sometime soon thereafter - up to now (assuming we are still in "Western Civilization") it's been "Western Civilization" that have "developed" these "wonderful things" named above. The other "civilization" are not credited with this development.

There is that plain enough for you?

No. Dear god no. Western "christian" Civilization has stolen and used the things that others before Christ invented and developed.

If what you say were true, then you could paint the Mona Lisa and I could come along later, paint some rosy cheeks and a mustache on her and say I "devloped" the Mona Lisa and that I should get all credit for the whole painting and that you deserved none whatsoever.

Give credit where credit is due.

Badger

[capjbadger]

...cool, I like pretty lights!

Pulls up yet another chair, and brings a porta bar in a ice chest...

Drinks anyone?

Damn.. I should charge for this shit. lol

Badger

[Donna Matrix]

Lot of people kept there faiths during the Inquisition. This article does not state that Galileo lost his faith because of the Church's behavior. In fact, the article leads one to the conclusion that Galileo was in discussion with the Church and was trying to persude them otherwise. I grant that the Church had more power than he, and Galileo suffered it.

Read your history. It is well known that scientists of that era wrote church supporting stuff in their publicly accessable works out of fear of the church and reserved their true thoughts to their private diaries that we am now uncovering.

But nowhere did it state that Galileo had private diaries that denied his faith.

The second link was about Religion and Science and how religion influenced science. It was not about Galileo per se.

[Donna Matrix]

The bit where you claimed that all these wonderful things (math, physics, chemistry, etc) are due to "Western Civilization", and I replied with a run down of all the real sources of those things which all happened to occur BC by non-christians (of course since he hadn't been even born yet) whom you attribute our western civilization to.

Does that help?

Badger

Yep.. sure does. This is my answer:

From the point where Western Civilization "started" - say the day Christ was born or sometime soon thereafter - up to now (assuming we are still in "Western Civilization") it's been "Western Civilization" that have "developed" these "wonderful things" named above. The other "civilization" are not credited with this development.

There is that plain enough for you?

No. Dear god no. Western "christian" Civilization has stolen and used the things that others before Christ invented and developed.

If what you say were true, then you could paint the Mona Lisa and I could come along later, paint some rosy cheeks and a mustache on her and say I "devloped" the Mona Lisa and that I should get all credit for the whole painting and that you deserved none whatsoever.

Give credit where credit is due.

Badger

So, you are saying that civilizations before Christ had all the advances that we enjoy today?

That all Christian Europe did was steal stuff that was already there?

These BCers had full blown Chemistry, Physics, Math, Cars, Airplanes, Modern Highways, Space Shutters, Computers, Electricity, Light bulbs, Microwaves ovens, Tractors, Waste water treatment plants, Oil refineries, Food manufacturing plant, Steel mills, TV, Satilites, Cameras, Video players, Anti-biotics, anti-cancer drugs, surgery, modern antiseptics, toothpaste, movies, atomic bombs, guns, missles, machine guns, cruise ships, email, etc, etc, etc....

Wow - I never knew....