Iraq War explained

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:19 pm

jeezzzus krist.

Kelly is starting to look very fine..........oh......oh.......oh.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:24 pm

needless to say about the soldiers that are doing suicide.

This is an issue with me because my brother is in Iraq as a civilian.

doing computers no less.

sucks.

my little brother.

I missed the draft.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 11:51 pm

KellY wrote:I hate to say it SED, but I agree with De Facto on this one- there are many viable alternatives to oil -maybe not enough for us to suddenly go cold turkey, but enough to start seriously moving away from it. Solar, wind, tidal, biodiesel (I have heard that hemp does make very effective fuel), not to mention greater fuel efficiancy can all eliminate our dependance on the Middle East for energy. And I weep with frustration to think of what might have been done if only a tenth of the money spent on going to war with Iraq had been spent on researching and developing those alternatives.

Viable, but not massively cheap- less profit to be had for the upper 10%.

Welcome to politics, and not just our country's.

PS. If I run over a Spotted Owl in my electric car, will my head explode?

Chimp · Post by **Chimp** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 4:18 am

Vastly sweeping generalizations no. 1

SED Wrote...

"Muslim culture can't even trust itself with its own women. Do you imagine they can handle oil, or modern economics or even civil discourse?"

...the cunt.

SED stop pretending that you actually give a rats ass about any of this. It is so transparently clear that you don't.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:04 am

hey hey hey now.....SED's one smart guy.

he does'nt need us to insult him.

he can insult himself very well thank you.

Lilly Flower · Post by **Lilly Flower** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 6:22 am

SED should'nt really come back as Sylvia.....that's kinda insulting to females.

You know awhile back he PM me and insulted me so bad.
It was nerve recking.

My lord dear.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 11:41 am

I'll make a bargain with you de facto, if we can get sed to not show up as sylvia, will you stop showing up as lilly flower?

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 12:03 pm

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 1:00 pm

no..... seriously though,

Scott Ritter, Fmr. U.N. Weapons Inspector {1991-'98}, discusses David Kay's assessment of Iraqi WMDs and the available intelligence on the weapons.
30 min.

http://www.c-span.org/videoarchives.asp ... Series,WJE;

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:13 pm

Rob the Wop wrote: Viable, but not massively cheap- less profit to be had for the upper 10%.

Welcome to politics, and not just our country's.

Definitely, Rob. I do think the war really was about controlling oil for the economic benefit of a few - as SED seemed to as well. I just disagreed with his idea that oil is a necessity that we'll be dependant on for the forseeable future.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:33 pm

So let me get this straight.

SED was not capable of saying what Kelly and Rob said as intelligently as they said it for himself?

Am I understanding this correctly?

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:36 pm

SED was not capable of saying what Kelly and Rob said as intelligently as they said it for himself?

And you're not capable of saying something without Lily Flower tagging along to buttress any points you try to make? I thought your sock days were over.

And you were behaving so well.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:39 pm

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 2:40 pm

Hey,
I like Lilly flower. And you folks need to admit that you like her too.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 5:46 pm

I am deeply disturbed by you saying you like lilly flower

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:03 pm

Ok ok....so seriously now....let me see if I got this straight,

Bush now wants to know what happened to the wepons of mass destruction too.

He also wants an investigation into why he had bad intelligence....( intelligence)

But he wants an internal investigation not an external investigation.

this amoungst other things, and wants to go into space.

maybe he needs to investigate the space between his ears?

Iraq War explained

So do you really want Lilly to go away?

that would be a bummer.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Fri Jan 30, 2004 8:20 pm

So do you really want Lilly to go away?

that would be a bummer.

Why would it be a bummer? Lilly's certainly never been able to answer any question you've ever put forth.

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:41 am

Lilly Flower.......Lilly Flower..........Time to come along with me Lilly Flower.

I am the ghost of DIGIMAN's past and have come to show you the light.

Lilly Flower.....Lilly Flower.....where art tho Lilly Flower...........

Hey if anybody has seen Lilly Flower tell her it's time for her to go.
She's gotta come with me now.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:51 am

Some people seem to enjoy bringing misery to others in any way they can....

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:52 am

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN · Post by **THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:13 am

Oh yeah.....Go Panthers.

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:55 pm

There's no way the alternative energy industry can fuel civilization like oil. There is no replacement for it. It grows food, pumps water, runs cars.

Next time you are in a snowstorm, try heating your house with solar energy.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 6:58 pm

ramen wrote:There's no way the alternative energy industry can fuel civilization like oil. There is no replacement for it. It grows food, pumps water, runs cars.

Next time you are in a snowstorm, try heating your house with solar energy.

Man (and woman) has survived many centuries before oil.

Plain and simple, It's time for the world to grow up and let the intelligent be creative in the ways they were ment to be creative.

there are many alternatives that when combined will and can solve the dependacy on oil.

It's up to the most intelligent to be allowed to prove it.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:10 pm

In fact..

Bet it can be proven at burningman.

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:12 pm

DE FACTO wrote: Man (and woman) has survived many centuries before oil.

Plain and simple, It's time for the world to grow up and let the intelligent be creative in the ways they were ment to be creative.

there are many alternatives that when combined will and can solve the dependacy on oil.

It's up to the most intelligent to be allowed to prove it.

You know, that's true, people existed before the oil industry rose up. Their children tended to die young, and most of the planet lived on farms where they toiled long, hard hours in conditions the average, modern hipster could not handle.

That high-tech gimmick you are using to post is the product of a high-end technology propelled by inexpensive energy. There is no substitute for oil. If there was, it would be utilized now.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:22 pm

ramen wrote: You know, that's true, people existed before the oil industry rose up. Their children tended to die young, and most of the planet lived on farms where they toiled long, hard hours in conditions the average, modern hipster could not handle.

That high-tech gimmick you are using to post is the product of a high-end technology propelled by inexpensive energy. There is no substitute for oil. If there was, it would be utilized now.

Not true.

The oil advertising and media industry sold the world on the idea that it is not possible, but it is and has been proven many times that it could be done. the oil and car industry have bought the pattents and destroyed them to prevent it from being true.

Man is much smarter now and can overcome these now small obsticles.

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:33 pm

DE FACTO wrote: Not true.

The oil advertising and media industry sold the world on the idea that it is not possible, but it is and has been proven many times that it could be done. the oil and car industry have bought the pattens and destroyed them to prevent it from being true.

Man is much smarter now and can overcome these now small obsticles.

Yah sure. You hear this from people who believe in zero-point energy, or cold fusion, or that great world-beater, the perpetual motion machine. Just because something violates all known physical properties of time and space, doesn't prevent it being huckstered to believers as the next great energy source.

The interesting thing about these kind of legends, like the one where Detroit buys out the guy who has built the motor that runs on water so they can bury the plans, is that they are based on wish, not on science.

Man is just more technologically proficient, not smarter. You can't outwit mother nature, or basic scientific fact. Nothing you've posted so far posits a replacement for oil except wishful thinking on your part.

Which makes a nice segue into my basic theme, that the US is in Iraq to maintain control of one of the few remaining hugely productive oil fields in the world. All else is fiction, PR lies or collateral effects.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:37 pm

ramen wrote:Yah sure. You hear this from people who believe in zero-point energy, or cold fusion, or that great world-beater, the perpetual motion machine. Just because something violates all known physical properties of time and space, doesn't prevent it being huckstered to believers as the next great energy source.

The interesting thing about these kind of legends, like the one where Detroit buys out the guy who has built the motor that runs on water so they can bury the plans, is that they are based on wish, not on science.

Man is just more technologically proficient, not smarter. You can't outwit mother nature, or basic scientific fact. Nothing you've posted so far posits a replacement for oil except wishful thinking on your part.

Which makes a nice segue into my basic theme, that the US is in Iraq to maintain control of one of the few remaining hugely productive oil fields in the world. All else is fiction, PR lies or collateral effects.

So let me understand you here.........

Cars cannot run on air?

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 7:48 pm

Darn......

Tucked the tail and ran again. could'nt even back up their claim.

boo hoo..

Ok,

so when am I going to get some serious callengers here that know what they are talking about.

DE FACTO · Post by **DE FACTO** » Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:22 pm

I must apologize to Ramen and SED for over estimating thier intelligence.

Perhaps I was rather severe in bringing you the truth.

However, why is it that niether of you have asked me to erect the facts I speak of?

anyone for that matter?

Is it fear that I may be right?

or is it that it may be difficult to prove me wrong and it is just much easier to run from the facts?

woa is me.

I like a good debate as well as the next person.

Iraq War explained

The ghost of DIGIMAN's past.

I forgot!

An apology is in store.