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thirt33n
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Re: Thanks for setting me stright...

Post by thirt33n » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:45 pm

lonestoner916 wrote:
thirt33n wrote:
Digital-Dragonfly wrote:Since he was wrong about the elevation, the rest & relaxing and acclimatizing.
And its all really just a issue of dehydration... :roll:

That means my Dr. is probably wrong about my heart condition too, right...?



I'll be settin' up greeter structures early so if you do say hey to me...

I'm going early too, I'll look you up! 8)

I'll get you my schedule homie. plus, I kinda know what you look like from your blog.

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Post by Intubater69 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:51 pm

phil wrote:It's about 4,000 feet. The elevation where I live is 8 feet.
Hmmm, does that take into account how tall you are though? :lol:
I get to drive the ambulance how fast?!!

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From: Outdoor Action

Post by gyre » Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:55 pm

Yellowstone is around the 8000 foot range, so it would be a good place to visit on the way.
The only reference to cabin pressure I can find is 8000 feet pressure, about 11 pounds, but airlines are known to to cheap out on ventilation and pressure.

It seems to me that the nutrition used to help recover from giving blood might be applicable to adapting to altitude.

The limiting factor on blood donation is red blood cell replacement.
The average replacement time for red blood cells in an adult male is 36 days.
You are not allowed to donate again for 8 weeks in the usa.
Other places are 3 to 6 months.

When I climb, I try to breathe deeply instead of faster.
This seems to help.
I think the playa dust may discourage breathing deeply.

This information below is from Outdoor Action-


What Causes Altitude Illnesses

The concentration of oxygen at sea level is about 21% and the barometric pressure averages 760 mmHg. As altitude increases, the concentration remains the same but the number of oxygen molecules per breath is reduced. At 12,000 feet (3,658 meters) the barometric pressure is only 483 mmHg, so there are roughly 40% fewer oxygen molecules per breath. In order to properly oxygenate the body, your breathing rate (even while at rest) has to increase. This extra ventilation increases the oxygen content in the blood, but not to sea level concentrations. Since the amount of oxygen required for activity is the same, the body must adjust to having less oxygen. In addition, for reasons not entirely understood, high altitude and lower air pressure causes fluid to leak from the capillaries which can cause fluid build-up in both the lungs and the brain. Continuing to higher altitudes without proper acclimatization can lead to potentially serious, even life-threatening illnesses.


Acclimatization

The major cause of altitude illnesses is going too high too fast. Given time, your body can adapt to the decrease in oxygen molecules at a specific altitude. This process is known as acclimatization and generally takes 1-3 days at that altitude. For example, if you hike to 10,000 feet (3,048 meters), and spend several days at that altitude, your body acclimatizes to 10,000 feet (3,048 meters). If you climb to 12,000 feet (3,658 meters), your body has to acclimatize once again. A number of changes take place in the body to allow it to operate with decreased oxygen.

* The depth of respiration increases.
* Pressure in pulmonary arteries is increased, "forcing" blood into portions of the lung which are normally not used during sea level breathing.
* The body produces more red blood cells to carry oxygen,
* The body produces more of a particular enzyme that facilitates
* the release of oxygen from hemoglobin to the body tissues.


Prevention of Altitude Illnesses

Prevention of altitude illnesses falls into two categories, proper acclimatization and preventive medications. Below are a few basic guidelines for proper acclimatization.

* If possible, don't fly or drive to high altitude. Start below 10,000 feet (3,048 meters) and walk up.
* If you do fly or drive, do not over-exert yourself or move higher for the first 24 hours.
* If you go above 10,000 feet (3,048 meters), only increase your altitude by 1,000 feet (305 meters) per day and for every 3,000 feet (915 meters) of elevation gained, take a rest day.
* "Climb High and sleep low." This is the maxim used by climbers. You can climb more than 1,000 feet (305 meters) in a day as long as you come back down and sleep at a lower altitude.
* If you begin to show symptoms of moderate altitude illness, don't go higher until symptoms decrease (&quotDon't go up until symptoms go down").
* If symptoms increase, go down, down, down!
* Keep in mind that different people will acclimatize at different rates. Make sure all of your party is properly acclimatized before going higher.
* Stay properly hydrated. Acclimatization is often accompanied by fluid loss, so you need to drink lots of fluids to remain properly hydrated (at least 3-4 quarts per day). Urine output should be copious and clear.
* Take it easy; don't over-exert yourself when you first get up to altitude. Light activity during the day is better than sleeping because respiration decreases during sleep, exacerbating the symptoms.
* Avoid tobacco and alcohol and other depressant drugs including, barbiturates, tranquilizers, and sleeping pills. These depressants further decrease the respiratory drive during sleep resulting in a worsening of the symptoms.
* Eat a high carbohydrate diet (more than 70% of your calories from carbohydrates) while at altitude.
* The acclimatization process is inhibited by dehydration, over-exertion, and alcohol and other depressant drugs.
http://www.princeton.edu/~oa/safety/altitude.shtml

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