*Shooting coffee out of nose*gyre wrote:
Interesting.
I didn't think anyone who went to burning man was easily entertained.
I thought that was how you got there.
Every year I walk out in the middle of the art cars and all the big art and fire and lights of the city and spread my arms to the sky and proclaim,[
Look at how much it takes to bore me!
Rainbow Gathering Disappearing actI'm very open to having my blogs cut and pasted for the e-playa. I don't get over there often enough and my internet addictions keep me connected to too many threads already.
That was a major reason I chose to spend that amount of time w/ the rainbow family... to understand em. I had attended a few Gatherings in the past, but only for a few days and felt, "wow.... what fucking hippies." But after plugging in, and spending 4 weeks working at the gathering, I see another side. I see an event that happens w/ anarchy as it's organizing faction... much more so than BM. I see an underground culture that travels the rainbow road for years, staying out of Babylon and making magick everywhere they go. I see musicians, (not simply computer DJ's) EVERYWHERE.
We are the same family... different styles, different economic levels... but we're the same.
I believe the word "hippie" was coined by the press. Probably because of the wide use of the word "hip" (as in "I'm hip, man.") by the people they were reporting about. It probably originated in San Francisco during the "sumer of love." (Also coined by the press.) You can hear the phrase being used in context on some of the early cheech and chong albums.gyre wrote:
I still haven't heard a halfway cogent definition of a hippie, so I have nothing to really respond to there.
I see musicians, (not simply computer DJ's) EVERYWHERE.
Way older than 1967 ... hipster and before than hepcat .. 40s, 30s, even 20s as I can trace it. Although the 60s is when it came into mainstream media.Box Burner wrote:I believe the word "hippie" was coined by the press. Probably because of the wide use of the word "hip" (as in "I'm hip, man.") by the people they were reporting about. It probably originated in San Francisco during the "sumer of love." (Also coined by the press.) You can hear the phrase being used in context on some of the early cheech and chong albums.gyre wrote:
I still haven't heard a halfway cogent definition of a hippie, so I have nothing to really respond to there.
I think it is derived from hipster, referring to the ratpack sort of style and sometimes used to refer to the beat generation later.Box Burner wrote:I believe the word "hippie" was coined by the press. Probably because of the wide use of the word "hip" (as in "I'm hip, man.") by the people they were reporting about. It probably originated in San Francisco during the "sumer of love." (Also coined by the press.) You can hear the phrase being used in context on some of the early cheech and chong albums.gyre wrote:
I still haven't heard a halfway cogent definition of a hippie, so I have nothing to really respond to there.
gyre wrote:I think it is derived from hipster, referring to the ratpack sort of style and sometimes used to refer to the beat generation later.Box Burner wrote:I believe the word "hippie" was coined by the press. Probably because of the wide use of the word "hip" (as in "I'm hip, man.") by the people they were reporting about. It probably originated in San Francisco during the "sumer of love." (Also coined by the press.) You can hear the phrase being used in context on some of the early cheech and chong albums.gyre wrote:
I still haven't heard a halfway cogent definition of a hippie, so I have nothing to really respond to there.
I saw a sixties movie about hippies recently and they are all preppies with short hair.
Definitely a media term.
From what I understand, AntiM is right in that Hepcat and Hipster were used early on to describe people who were into jazz and didn't talk "jive." The Beat generation folks in San Francisco also referred to themselves as Hipsters.AntiM wrote:Way older than 1967 ... hipster and before than hepcat .. 40s, 30s, even 20s as I can trace it. Although the 60s is when it came into mainstream media
I highly doubt it. Helicopter time is extremely expensive when there are real fires to fight and limited budgets. There are enough locals and other Rainbow Hater people out there that could set it. Someone should have examine the starting point on what caused the fire in the first place.Zulegoona wrote: I can only surmise. I think it was started by the L.E.O’s in an effort to get the family out quickly. In some ways, it was a favor. Many younger folks who hadn’t experienced many gatherings or clean ups had bugged out. Fewer people in the forest means an easier clean up. And that’s exactly what happened
What these musical forms really are in essence, continues to live and evolve, leaving behind the petrified husks of their genre names. There's still great rock and hip-hop and punk music being made, just usually not sold quite so violently through corporate channels... and it doesn't so much go by those names. I reckon a similar situation exists for masses of people; the most interesting ones can't be so easily categorized.gyre wrote:If you look at the early rock films when the form wasn't established yet, the terms they tried to apply are kind of funny now.
It could have gone in many directions at one point.
Same with hiphop, which was often creative at one point.
They didn't what to call that either then.
Too bad it was sold out to corporate.
There was potential at one point.
Of course I wasn't even alive back then so I have no frame of reference except what I've read and heard about from those who were there, but I know touristy trendiness when I see it. Disgusting.
Hippie love to all!!
ha hah ha