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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:12 am

cowboyangel wrote:I'm reminded of what Ralph once said about similar circumstances regarding his entry into presidential politics....something like, "we might as well have the republican win, go to hell in a hurry, rather than drag the process out for a longer period of time with the democrat"..
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:17 am

can't sit still wrote:The really scary part is the mentality and Modus Operandi of the Chinese. They have knowingly polluted their own country severly. They change an area the size of Rhode Island into desert every year. They are very aware of Hubbert's peak [peak oil] but they build cars by the millions.
They know that pollution is costing them enormously but they bring online a new coal plant every 5 days. They're denuding Africa of timber. They're well aware of the huge dead-zones in the ocean but don't build marine preserves for safeguarding fish stocks.
Corporate America obviously has a somewhat rapacious attitude. The Chinese are in a hurry to burn down the whole world if will get them one step ahead of the west.
The planet is going to get a good thrashing if mother nature doesn't kick some ass, Dan
Confucianism at work, kids! Competing philosphies such as Buddhism (Dalai Lama) and Taoism (Falun Gong) are direct threats.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:20 pm

California has a budget deficit of between 16 and 20 billion,,, depending on who you talk to. This deficit is growing at $ 1 Billion a month.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... ality.html
The legislature is incapable of passing a budget because they're incapable of passing on that much pain. They pissed away tons of money on useless shit but not on a modern system. The payroll operating system is COBOL,,, if you can believe that. :roll:
Pete Wilson said that Schwarzenegger is correct in trying to hoard money. The state will run out in a couple of months. I doubt that they will use the CAFR money. They may try to steal from CALPERS again.
Raising the sales tax rate won't help because sales are falling off so fast.
California could very well go into default. The COBOL system would take ages to reconfigure to lower pay rates.
I fail to see a way for California to inspire confidence in potential bond buyers. No bonds... no money.
It's one thing to continue on without a budget,,, it's a completely different thing to continue on without any money.
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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:35 pm

municipal bonds in Cali used to be good investment, now they are derated junk.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:22 pm

California is the 11th largest economy in the world,,, i believe. The demise of democracies is always brought about when the "people" vote more for themselves than is available. California taxed the shit out of people to provide make-work jobs for the unemployable. Too many consumers and not enough producers.
The govenator tried to stop the spending but the legislature would not hear of it; http://igs.berkeley.edu/library/htSpendingLimits.html
He WAS elected to carry out the will of the people. We can't blame it on him. All your representatives had pet projects to enrichen their buddies. Nobody was willing to cut. Now the cuts will be unwilling.
The simple fact is that, for whatever reason, California can not afford a safety net. Radical self-reliance...... 8)
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Post by mdmf007 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:57 pm

This is nothing Governor Davis didnt try to do, and got chastised.

He said "we are spending more than we are making - what household can do this for long and survive?.... we have to cut spending."

the people got what they want, a new face to the same old problem.
California is getting what it deserves, and is now going to pay for it at the cost of federal bailouts on all sorts of problems.

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:07 pm

I wouldn't bet the farm on a bailout. Pelosi might try but Bush will also try,,, to block all those nasty dems. I'd be willing to bet that any bailout would be contingent on huge cuts to services. They might just do the Chrysler route and just guarantee our bonds. GOV loves postponement.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:04 am

can't sit still wrote:Radical self-reliance...... 8)
Exactly, don't expect the fire department to come to your house if it burns, no money for that.
Your self-defense is your own business, don't expect the cops to come by if they can't afford the man-power.
And if you have kids, you're better off educating them at home.
You probably want to grow your own food, too, as prices will escalate with out a subsidy on diesel fuel.
It's like living on the playa 24/7.

Europe seems to be doing pretty well. Maybe I can start my wife on French lessons.

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Post by can't sit still » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:04 pm

A couple years ago, Miami was so broke they wanted to disolve it and just have Dade county. When it came time for cutbacks, they cut fire and police and maintained welfare.:?
I'm looking to relocate to western Oregon. My place in central Oregon doesn't have a long enough growing season. I've also been scouting out another country. I love Spain and it's crashing badly. Prices are cheap. I like the idea of owning a little finca in the hills. But, the long arm of Brussels is going to ruin things.
I've settled on Chile. 2,000 miles of coast, Patagonia, good economy. I'll see how things go here. Since GOV will never admit that GOV is the problem, they're going to screw up everything looking for the guilty party.
The Dems will push us into socialism and toss in a good dose of police state. NOT very appealing, Dan
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:25 pm

FUCKED FOR A PIPELINE;
Well, we all know that the US army is in Afghanistan just to protect the pipeline [and opium] That's the reason that Russia invaded the place years ago.
British Petroleum has a pipeline in Georgia. Shit-for-brains neocons figured that since it was only 55 Klicks from Russia, they would just start a little war and push Russia back 1,000 miles,,, no problem. The neo-shits are so stuck in the wishful thinking mode that they ignored the fact that Russia is called the "Great Bear" for a very good reason.
Georgia has been armed by Israel and has a "former" israeli for a defense minister. "Georgia's defense minister, Davit Kezerashvili, is a former Israeli"
You have to wonder if the microencepheletic nitwits pulled out a copy of Janes to see just what they were going up against. http://www.janes.com/
They figured that if Putin was in Bejing, he couldn't possibly respond to an invasion.
The US had tried to get Georgia to join NATO. If they had succeded, this attack could have been the start of WWIII.
bush is supposedly going to leave in a few months. The Neoshits seem desperate to light up the middle-east before he goes.
Now, in the name of protecting a pipeline, our dual-citizen state dept seems willing to start a war with Russia.
Leiberman ET AL are chomping at the bit to light up Iran and Syria. They're so fucking crazy, they don't seem to care that it might turn the holy city to a radioactive slag heap. They're not even considering the idea of killing the global economy and lighting up Saudi, Syria and Iran.

If they're crazy enough to risk war with Russia, they may very well be crazy enough to risk [or initiate] a nuclear war in the middle east.
Obama wrote in one of his books that; "if push came to shove, he would side with the Muslims"
If the israelis are worried about his "loyalty" to israel, they may strike out on their own. Knowing that they can't possibly fight on 2 fronts [Syria + Iran] , they may initiate with nukes.
There is a very good anaysis at this site http://www.rense.com/general82/begin.htm
The other thing worrying our oil-mad politicians is that Canada is building a pipeline to the west. Canada is our # 1 supplier. With a pipeline they could sell to China,,, or whoever.
Just as our economic problems seem to be accelerating, our geo-political problems seem to be moving to a fast track.
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Post by ygmir » Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:21 pm

CSS, Dan, which do you like to be addressed as?
anyway.......

good info in your posts, thanks.
I didn't know obama said he'd side with the muslims............not so surprised, but, it's news to me........

Yeah,
it seems the "Big players" on the world stage are approaching some sort of "end game".............someones knight is taking someones queen..........

I think it's far beyond the comprehension, let alone control, of our government.........or any for that matter...........

Hapsbergs (sp?), Builderberg (sp?), et al are playing chess, me thinks...........

Just random thoughts, from, a random thinker........
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:39 pm

Politics is for suckers.

Wait, did I say that already?
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:50 am

DVD Burner wrote:"Politics is for suckers."
. . . . Stalin ?

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Post by ygmir » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:52 am

Monica Lewinsky..............
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:22 am

Is the Georgia fiasco an attempt by the west to drive Russia into NATO?

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Post by ygmir » Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:03 pm

I think it's a test to see if they can take back the Baltic states....

I have friends in Estonia that are totally on edge about this, and, were asking if I'd heard anything here, a month ago...........
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:51 pm

YGMIR, my friends call me Dan,, My enemies call me lots of things.
The problem right now is that the People In Charge make thier money , to a large degree, from oil. The majors [Exon, BP, Standard] are running out of oil rapidly. Most oil is now controlled by a national oil company like ARAMCO [Saudi], PEMEX, Petrobraz,,, there are many. Naturally, they all hate Rockefeller and the PIC.
The PIC have no oil and need to steal it from those who do.
We're building that huge base in Iran to control the area. The next big prise is the Caspian Sea Basin. LOTS of oil,,, but you need a pipeline to get it.
Rockefeller, israel and the PIC are trying to stir up war to claim more land [oil] They're timing is very bad because the current Russian leader is a no BS kinda guy. Both Putin and Medvedev are wise to the tricks of the PIC. Did you notice that Russia answered the invasion within hours? It took the US months to answer the invasion of Kuwait.
Here is a good history of Anglo-American oil shenanegans; http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

There is speculation on the link posted in my last post that this whole thing was a diversion. There is a huge armada headed for Iran. http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -iran.html
The idea is to blockade Iran and provoke an internal revolution. The blockade might be a concession to israel so that israel won't attack. It remains to be seen if the result is revolution or attack.
All of this has to be initiated before the dicider leaves office.
The military is in full revolt against the neocons. bush needs to put the military in harms way hoping that Iran will start something. That's why the armada.
Obviously, there are plenty of people willing to do a false-flag attack if needed to provoke war. The US liberty and the US Maine are previous examples.
Maybe the neocons have convinced bush that it is his chance for glory. Between the machinations of the hard-line israelis and the PIC, the odds of a war are increasing.
Our shit-for-brains pres thinks that he can ring Russia with missles and there won't be any repercussions. Also, he seems to believe in "end times"
Reportedly, Iran has an advanced bio-weapon capability. Bio-weapons are 1,000 times cheaper than nukes ,,,per person killed.
Russia can crash our bond market and turn off 1/2 the heat in europe any time they want. We can't do squat to them other than refuse to buy their oil.
IF you hear of an attack on Iran, you would do well to head for the hills. If Iran uses bio-weapons, HS will lock down the cities to prevent spreading infection. I believe that most of the bio-weapons have a latency period of a couple of weeks.

We always hope that cooler heads will prevail. Unfortunately, the puppet masters seem to be getting much more effective at pulling the strings.
It's hard to say how much of this is "saber rattling" There are a lot of powerful people hoping for war.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:49 pm

oops, double post.......
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Post by ygmir » Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:50 pm

Dan ( every one is my friend until they prove differently).............,


I like your reference to PIC.........
I think that's more realistic, than thinking a president, any president, has the knowledge, power, info, etc, to actually make these things happen........
I think everyone in the white house since Teddy Roosevelt (and that's questionable) has been a puppet for PIC...........
I just think it's naive to think the U.S. has that much power, any more, compared to the PIC.............and that a certain president has any actual say...........or congress, for that matter........they're just a bunch of ignorant slobs trying to feather their own nest.............nope, not jaded towards them...........hahaha

I live in the mountains, and, have a further retreat I have been building, so, locking the cities will probably help my lot in the worst case scenario.........

I still think it's not so much the money with the PIC, I think it's a chess game, for real........with multiple players..........they just do it to see who can "win"..........

Just my random thoughts, again........
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:48 pm

YGMIR, random thoughts are the best. You have to catch them as they float by. I've often been known to start something,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Pause, and then claim that "my train of thought never left the station"
At the bottom of much of the mess is the fact that so many groups are trying to survive. They survive by grabbing power.
America wants to prolong the carbon economy.
Israel wants to survive on some bad real estate.
Asia, Africa and South America want to survive their lack of birth control.
China no longer wants to be the punching bag or whipping boy for europe.
Russia wants to survive without the west chipping away at it.
The illuminati want to manage the whole mess to insure their survival[control]
When modern agriculture and birth control brought a new paradigm to the world, the world was slow to accept and implement the changes.
Modern medicine cut way down on the infant mortality rate. The third world didn't adjust their birth rate to reflect the change. Now, they maintain a high birth rate to produce goods to survive.
We have yet to make serious adjustments to the reality of our land, water and energy limitations.
Apparently, the illuminati have plans to help us along with these adjustments. Their plans are the bare-knuckle type.
The UN wants us all to be happy and barefoot. Look at agenda 21. It's on the official UN site. http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents ... /index.htm
Among other things, it doesn't alow for mechanised agriculture. Here's a synopsis; http://www.newswithviews.com/Shaw/michael17.htm

We have all these different agendas,,, most of them conflict in one way or another. It's a big tug-o-war with a Malthusian backdrop. Some faction of the PIC seems to believe that it's going to get rough; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Global_Seed_Vault
It's public knowledge that we're doing weather modification. There are indications that we're targeting and directly affecting the sun.

If NASA and Jennifer lawson are correct, we're in for extremely violent weather in a couple of years. We've already had tornadoes in L.A. and Minnesota. Just hang on and enjoy [or survive] the ride. It wouldn't hurt to buy some Iodine and beta-glucan. Dan
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Post by ygmir » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:09 pm

Hi Dan,
I've got Iodine, and beta-glucon.........grin.........and Cippro, Keflex, Prednizone, etc......

I remember, long, long ago, reading about how the Russians were spreading coal/coke (anything black) dust over Siberia, thinking it would warm the region eventually, melting snow and permafrost, so, it would become arable.........
I wonder how much of the arctic thaw is due to that? They've been doing it for years now...........

Traveling in Estonia and Finland, I saw first hand some of the wanton, gross pollution perpetrated by the (for now former) Soviet Union.......It was disgusting...........and no one talks much about that. Most of their stuff was hidden, and, took place far north..........again, I wonder about the Arctic thaw.........

Many nations, of all "worlds", seem to have great dis-regard for long term effects.........I'm sure hoping we get it together before, if it's not already, to late..........

And,
all this on top of the PIC and their manipulation of people and events........

Yikes!!

Keeps a person on their toes, though............

It'd be interesting to see how many "Burners" could and would survive, maybe even "flourish" in worst case scenario times?........
If they could actually live by the "radical self-reliance" for more than a week or so.............

I think many do well, since, it's a finite time frame........but, I have confidence in a large part of that community doing well.........
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:52 pm

Uuuummmmm,
I've been bashed and called a racist for bringing up either the same or similar topics CSS just brought up.


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Post by ygmir » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:22 am

that's a bummer DVD..........
seems, at times, people take the truth, or opinion for that matter, as personal and get angry and throw assaults and insults undeservedly.

Sometimes it's as simple as terminology used........

dunno, but, bummer just the same that it can be so hard to have a discussion........
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Post by can't sit still » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:33 am

DVD, Take it as a badge of honor,,, being called a racist. It's the term of choice that people sling around when you object to what they're doing. Look at Canada. Everyone who objected to the passage of hate-crime laws was referred to as antisemetic. Now, those laws are being used to bludgeon silence into anyone who objects to the actions of any group that isn't white and christian.
Too many people try to do the right thing at the wrong time. They try so hard to be correct that, they're never right.
If you object to the ethnic cleansing of Palestine,, you're a racist. If you object to slave reparations being paid to blacks, you're a racist. If you think sub-sahara Africa is in the shitter, you're a racist.
If you point out that 1 % of American adults are in prision and that 80% of prisoners are black, you're a racist.
Never mind that you're accurate, you're still a racist.
You try to make an honest assesment of a situation. You point out things that aren't right. Someone doesn't like your assesment of their screwups. They call you racist because that's the only way they deflect criticism from their obvious shortcomings.
Recently, a Palestinian went on an attack in Jerusalem with a front-end loader. Oh the horror !!!!
The israelis flatten Palestinian houses all the time. When an American protester tried to stop them , they ran her over with a Cat D-10. Then they published joke cartoons about her.
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Post by EvilDustBooger » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:37 am

...besides, it`s all just for suckers anyway.


...or did someone already say that? :evil:

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:44 am

Had to make 2 posts. The news tells us that Russia is bombing Georgian ports and infrastructure to degrade their ability to make war. The US wants the pipeline and the port to be intact. The US says that they're going to take over the port and airfield to do humanitarian help. http://www.reuters.com/article/politics ... 3320080813
SO, Russia is bombing tha areas that America wants to move into. The US is shipping in humanitarian aid. If this "aid" includes "Stingers", there might be a problem. The neocons are complete retards if they think that the Russians won't send a dozen armored divisions.
Georgia,,, like Chechnya will get trashed beacuse big oil wanted secure pipeleines.
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Post by ygmir » Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:21 am

HHHHHmmmmmmmm,
might be a different world when we get back to "default America" in Sept.........

I wonder if their timing is to take advantage of some of us being "out of touch" while on-Playa?........ :wink:

I think a lot of this has to do with Russia wanting some of their territory from the USSR era back, and, us dealing with Iran, and, deciding who gets what..........

dang.......
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