Bullshit. In 1997, you org toesuckers had a ban on *all* moving vehicles ---- except for numerous art car parades and other completely arbitrary exceptions.
Nothing has changed. Org toesuckers decide what's art and what isn't, but you couldn't decorate a golf cart if your life depended on it.
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As much as I like poking fun at Bob, in this regard he is absolutely right on every account. Burningflyer, or whatever the hell your stupid handle is, you are the worst kind of bureaucrat, the kind that even make Democrats squirm, and that's saying something. K.I.S.S. Or are you people too retarded to do that? Jesus, maybe Disneyland isn't such a bad alternative after all. Fewer rules, that's for damn sure. And cheaper.
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Greenblazer
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Hello,
I was a DMV Hottie last year (too busy to volunteer this year), it was my first time volunteering for the DMV, and I had a really good time.
I have not read this entire thread, but I read enough to get that someone who was warned that his Vehicle was not mutated enough for a number of times failed to mutate his vehicle furthur and was rejected.
If you were lucky enough to recieve multiple warnings, and were allowed to drive it anyway last year, but continued to count on leniency, then it's obvious that you have no one to blame except yourself for not mutating your vehicle.
I personally warned many that the government is on the backs of the organization to keep a lid on the number of mutant vehicles, and to continue bringing their vehicles that they needed to mutate them to the point that when someone looks at them the don't say "that is a decorated pickup truck, car or golf cart", they say that "What the fuck is that?" or "Wow what did you make that out of?".
The bottom line as I understand it is this:
Mutant vehicles are vehicles that are mutated to the point that someone looks at it and can not recognize what it is. A mutant vehicle doesn't look like a decorated pickup. A mutant vehicle looks like "what the fuck is that thing?"
Here is an explanation for some of the poorly mutated vehicles that you might see...
Some are DPW. They get special consideration because they bust their asses on the playa building Black Rock City, so you shouldn't bitch.
Some are staff vehicles and have licenses, but are not radically modified. Most of the poorly decorated golf carts fall into this category. Again these are for people who bust their asses WORKING for the event.
Some are handicap vehicles. I hope no one feels justified bitching about handicap people having transportation.
Some may be unauthorized, but have phoney or stolen tags. Please bitch at these people and make them feel ashamed for their transgressions, but don't bitch at the Hotties because someone is a cheater.
The government agencies could ban all non police, or staff vehicles if they wanted to, but the BMORG tries to work with the authorities to keep the freedom to have Mutant Vehicles.
Vehicles that are for the purpose of motorized transportation are frowned upon. They don't want people to use motor vehicle transportation on the playa. There are exceptions made for mass transportation vehicles provided they are mutated sufficiently, and yes some times leniency is granted to vehicles for some reason, but...
If you want an vehicle for hauling around you and your campmates, then you are missing the point. A mutant vehicle is a rolling work of art that is rolling for the sake of art, passenger capacity is a bonus. A vehicle that is for the sake of transportation is not what is allowed.
Golf carts are not DMV friendly because they usually look like golf carts, and are very limited in the passenger department. Don't buy one to decorate so you can haul you and a couple of friends around, unless you plan to remove the body and replace it with a rolling work of art that will make the Hotties say what the fuck is that?
I hope this helps you understand. I will probably loose track of this and never come back to see the replies, so please try to understand.
Why not volunteer to be a DMV Hottie so you too can serve the community. I bet if you did the whole thing would be less mysterious, and the next time you applied for a MV license, you would know what was necessary and you'ld be prepared. I only worked for the DMV last year, but I am confident that I could get a license for a mutant vehicle, because I understand the criteria. By the way I ride a mutant bicycle at BRC.
Later,
Allan Greenblazer
I was a DMV Hottie last year (too busy to volunteer this year), it was my first time volunteering for the DMV, and I had a really good time.
I have not read this entire thread, but I read enough to get that someone who was warned that his Vehicle was not mutated enough for a number of times failed to mutate his vehicle furthur and was rejected.
If you were lucky enough to recieve multiple warnings, and were allowed to drive it anyway last year, but continued to count on leniency, then it's obvious that you have no one to blame except yourself for not mutating your vehicle.
I personally warned many that the government is on the backs of the organization to keep a lid on the number of mutant vehicles, and to continue bringing their vehicles that they needed to mutate them to the point that when someone looks at them the don't say "that is a decorated pickup truck, car or golf cart", they say that "What the fuck is that?" or "Wow what did you make that out of?".
The bottom line as I understand it is this:
Mutant vehicles are vehicles that are mutated to the point that someone looks at it and can not recognize what it is. A mutant vehicle doesn't look like a decorated pickup. A mutant vehicle looks like "what the fuck is that thing?"
Here is an explanation for some of the poorly mutated vehicles that you might see...
Some are DPW. They get special consideration because they bust their asses on the playa building Black Rock City, so you shouldn't bitch.
Some are staff vehicles and have licenses, but are not radically modified. Most of the poorly decorated golf carts fall into this category. Again these are for people who bust their asses WORKING for the event.
Some are handicap vehicles. I hope no one feels justified bitching about handicap people having transportation.
Some may be unauthorized, but have phoney or stolen tags. Please bitch at these people and make them feel ashamed for their transgressions, but don't bitch at the Hotties because someone is a cheater.
The government agencies could ban all non police, or staff vehicles if they wanted to, but the BMORG tries to work with the authorities to keep the freedom to have Mutant Vehicles.
Vehicles that are for the purpose of motorized transportation are frowned upon. They don't want people to use motor vehicle transportation on the playa. There are exceptions made for mass transportation vehicles provided they are mutated sufficiently, and yes some times leniency is granted to vehicles for some reason, but...
If you want an vehicle for hauling around you and your campmates, then you are missing the point. A mutant vehicle is a rolling work of art that is rolling for the sake of art, passenger capacity is a bonus. A vehicle that is for the sake of transportation is not what is allowed.
Golf carts are not DMV friendly because they usually look like golf carts, and are very limited in the passenger department. Don't buy one to decorate so you can haul you and a couple of friends around, unless you plan to remove the body and replace it with a rolling work of art that will make the Hotties say what the fuck is that?
I hope this helps you understand. I will probably loose track of this and never come back to see the replies, so please try to understand.
Why not volunteer to be a DMV Hottie so you too can serve the community. I bet if you did the whole thing would be less mysterious, and the next time you applied for a MV license, you would know what was necessary and you'ld be prepared. I only worked for the DMV last year, but I am confident that I could get a license for a mutant vehicle, because I understand the criteria. By the way I ride a mutant bicycle at BRC.
Later,
Allan Greenblazer
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spectabillis
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your definition of what constitutes a mutant vehicle is still going to be confusing to many people, especially considering the history, so i hope you keep in mind thats naturally going to create some frustrations. sure, we can all understand the reasons for some of the changes and most will appreciate knowing why, in fact people here have stated suspicion that the current phase of restrictions is due to blm.Greenblazer wrote:..... Mutant vehicles are vehicles that are mutated to the point that someone looks at it and can not recognize what it is. A mutant vehicle doesn't look like a decorated pickup. A mutant vehicle looks like "what the fuck is that thing?"... Here is an explanation for some of the poorly mutated vehicles that you might see... Some are DPW. They get special consideration because they bust their asses on the playa building Black Rock City, so you shouldn't bitch. ...Some are staff vehicles and have licenses, but are not radically modified. Most of the poorly decorated golf carts fall into this category. Again these are for people who bust their asses WORKING for the event.
but you need to drop the attitude that supports the culture of privelage. volunteering didnt get special consideration, this was a participant established and oriented event. if it wasnt for everyone's contributions, despite being in any 'official' capacity or not, the event simply wouldnt exist. since you and others draw that distinction you have essentially supported a fairly significant change in attitude, and trust me, its not something you are prepared to support against criticism.
most of those people are now paid, not volunteers, and burningman is an owned and operated corporation.
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MikeVDS
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I don't think it's a lack of understanding of what the rules are, it's a problem with spirit of the rules vs. letter of the rules. Doc Pyro's vehicle is a truck, and you can tell it's a truck. If he just took the truck out there with ties on it, of course it would get rejected and I doubt anyone would disagree with the ruling. The thing is that it's not the truck that is the art and no one is really looking at the truck anyway, they see the big blast of fire and still ask, "WTF was that?" There are some crappy cars that look like shit but are mutated enough, and there is an awesome vehicle that improves the event that is not completely mutated. The rules here seem to work against what is best for the event, which is why you always want people enforcing rules and not some computer than analyzes an image of a vehicle and compares to "normal" vehicles. To me it's obvious this particular decision violates the spirit of the rules and hurts the event.
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Well, he *did* explain how the org distributes unequally weighted doses of privilege very concisely, except there's no absolute way to hide the fact they're all motor vehicles.
Next time I have a kilo of coke to step on w/ baking soda, I'll give you guys a call.
Next time I have a kilo of coke to step on w/ baking soda, I'll give you guys a call.
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burningflyer
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You have been warned to improve or retire your creation
With so many excellent example of vehicles Mutated so fantastically, it's no wonder the community and DMV Hotties are disappointed with applicants who appear to make the absolute minimum effort and submit vehicles where their own comfort in motorized conveyance is the most important feature, with little concern for the golf cart or truck being the dominant image represented.
Each year as creative inflation raises the bar on the communities expectations, many mutant vehicle operators are warned that they may not be invited back in future years if they are unwilling to continue with their modifications to make the base vehicle unrecognizable.
It is no small accomplishment to imagine, design and construct an exceptional Mutant Vehicle and it usually takes a well organized crew of resourceful and talented individuals. Deciding which vehicles get licensed and which ones don't is one of the hardest jobs in the Burning Man community. Not every vehicle that applies for a license can or should be licensed. Hotties consider whether or not your vehicle will be able to capture every camera and eye as it rolls by.
What's your motivation? If convenience or personal conveyance is your primary goal, please rethink your desire to have a Mutant Vehicle on the playa. The only Mutant Vehicles to receive licenses will be radical works of art, or vehicles with a high participation factor. Yes, Black Rock City is huge, and can be a challenge to navigate. This is what bicycles are for!
Each year as creative inflation raises the bar on the communities expectations, many mutant vehicle operators are warned that they may not be invited back in future years if they are unwilling to continue with their modifications to make the base vehicle unrecognizable.
It is no small accomplishment to imagine, design and construct an exceptional Mutant Vehicle and it usually takes a well organized crew of resourceful and talented individuals. Deciding which vehicles get licensed and which ones don't is one of the hardest jobs in the Burning Man community. Not every vehicle that applies for a license can or should be licensed. Hotties consider whether or not your vehicle will be able to capture every camera and eye as it rolls by.
What's your motivation? If convenience or personal conveyance is your primary goal, please rethink your desire to have a Mutant Vehicle on the playa. The only Mutant Vehicles to receive licenses will be radical works of art, or vehicles with a high participation factor. Yes, Black Rock City is huge, and can be a challenge to navigate. This is what bicycles are for!
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They're parked already!
And First Camp is made entirely of recycled coffee grounds and walnut shells this year!
And First Camp is made entirely of recycled coffee grounds and walnut shells this year!
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Kinetik V
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So...how much larger is the city this year? I wonder how hard it's going to be to pedal a bike all over the city? IMHO motorized personal transport will become essential in years to come to enjoy the BM experience....and the closed minded attitude of the DMV in regards to anything motorized will be a serious source of conflict. "Scooters are laziness machines" per the transportation issue of the JRS illustrates my point. Such attitudes are out of touch with America in 2008 as it gets fatter and more sedentary than ever. They can whine all they want...it doesn't change the reality. Motorized transport right now is optional...but post event we'll revisit the subject....betcha I gain supporters and it will be asked for more and more.
And before I get a reply saying the BLM hates vehicles on the playa, I demand proof in the form of cites that are not hosted on any LLC funded server. Anything less is not acceptable. I'm from Missouri. Show Me!
And before I get a reply saying the BLM hates vehicles on the playa, I demand proof in the form of cites that are not hosted on any LLC funded server. Anything less is not acceptable. I'm from Missouri. Show Me!
Kinetic V
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One more post...I'm going to steal a comment from the 3Playa where a similar discussion has been ongoing....
Sodium -
I think the social rule for art cars really needs to be radical self reliance - and we're not talking about that psychobabble crapola in the 10 commandments of regionals. If you can't build it, fix it, move it, drive it, fuel it, transport it, decorate it, set it up or even just keep it out of the way you are not allowed to have it.
That is all.
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Chai Guy -
I'd like to see them have one single rule wrt: art cars.
No internal combustion engines.
Both ideas represent what I'd like to see out there. Radical self reliance for art vehicles, and Chai's idea of no internal combustion engines. It's called electricity, and yes one can do wonderful things with it. Including moving art cars around the playa. That sort of stuff should be encouraged...and that even includes electric scooters since I'm so scooter crazy these days.
(Apologies to Sodium and Chai for lifting their posts without permission)
And with that I'll shut up and step aside.
Sodium -
I think the social rule for art cars really needs to be radical self reliance - and we're not talking about that psychobabble crapola in the 10 commandments of regionals. If you can't build it, fix it, move it, drive it, fuel it, transport it, decorate it, set it up or even just keep it out of the way you are not allowed to have it.
That is all.
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Chai Guy -
I'd like to see them have one single rule wrt: art cars.
No internal combustion engines.
Both ideas represent what I'd like to see out there. Radical self reliance for art vehicles, and Chai's idea of no internal combustion engines. It's called electricity, and yes one can do wonderful things with it. Including moving art cars around the playa. That sort of stuff should be encouraged...and that even includes electric scooters since I'm so scooter crazy these days.
(Apologies to Sodium and Chai for lifting their posts without permission)
And with that I'll shut up and step aside.
Kinetic V
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Increased oversight by Black Rock City
BLM NEWS ~ BURNING MAN FESTIVAL: BIGGER, COOLER, SAFER ~
Burning Man, the annual festival of art and self expression in the Black Rock Desert went off nearly flawlessly this year. "We were very pleased at how well things went," said Dave Cooper, the Bureau of Land Management's (BLM) manager of the Black Rock Desert-High Rock Canyon Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area. "There were no serious injuries and while luck is always a factor, some of the adjustments made following last year's event definitely contributed to this year's success."
BLM meets with the event organizers, Black Rock City, LLC, several times between events to discuss ways to improve management and administration, to make the festival safer each year than it was the year before, and to protect resources. Among changes implemented this year were increased oversight by Black Rock City, . . . and more stringent enforcement of the rules applied to "mutant vehicles" (the highly imaginative vehicles of all sizes used by participants to cruise the playa). "Mutant vehicles found to be unsafe or not in compliance with Black Rock City's operating plan were impounded for the duration of the event," said, Robert Lutz, BLM safety officer for this year's Burning Man event.
"The cooperation among BLM, Black Rock City, LLC, and the many cooperators involved is extraordinary," said Winnemucca BLM Field Manager, Terry Reed. "They work hard, together, to assure that participants in the Burning Man event, area residents and the general public are as safe as possible during a time when many additional people temporarily relocate to rural northwest Nevada."
http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/press_ ... r05-01.htm
Burning Man, the annual festival of art and self expression in the Black Rock Desert went off nearly flawlessly this year. "We were very pleased at how well things went," said Dave Cooper, the Bureau of Land Management's (BLM) manager of the Black Rock Desert-High Rock Canyon Emigrant Trails National Conservation Area. "There were no serious injuries and while luck is always a factor, some of the adjustments made following last year's event definitely contributed to this year's success."
BLM meets with the event organizers, Black Rock City, LLC, several times between events to discuss ways to improve management and administration, to make the festival safer each year than it was the year before, and to protect resources. Among changes implemented this year were increased oversight by Black Rock City, . . . and more stringent enforcement of the rules applied to "mutant vehicles" (the highly imaginative vehicles of all sizes used by participants to cruise the playa). "Mutant vehicles found to be unsafe or not in compliance with Black Rock City's operating plan were impounded for the duration of the event," said, Robert Lutz, BLM safety officer for this year's Burning Man event.
"The cooperation among BLM, Black Rock City, LLC, and the many cooperators involved is extraordinary," said Winnemucca BLM Field Manager, Terry Reed. "They work hard, together, to assure that participants in the Burning Man event, area residents and the general public are as safe as possible during a time when many additional people temporarily relocate to rural northwest Nevada."
http://www.nv.blm.gov/Winnemucca/press_ ... r05-01.htm
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Captain Goddammit
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That does sound like a Chai Guy quote... he hates mutant vehicles to begin with!Kinetic V wrote: Chai Guy -
I'd like to see them have one single rule wrt: art cars.
No internal combustion engines.
Both ideas represent what I'd like to see out there. Radical self reliance for art vehicles, and Chai's idea of no internal combustion engines.
I think this is ignorant. The type of engine in a mutant vehicle has approximately NOTHING to do with the situation! Hi, I'm Biff, and this Toyota pickup with a penis spray-painted on the door is my art car! But it's OK, I swapped in an electric motor!
When the hell did Burning Man become an environmental extremist showcase? What real difference will it make for a few one-week-only mutant vehicles to use electric power, MOST OF WHICH WILL BE GENERATED BY GASOLINE OR DIESEL GENERATORS?
Get all enviro-wacko on your daily driven commuter cars, not very short term, temporary vehicles that aren't even a drop in the bucket.
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Or everyone could just run steam engines!Captain Goddammit wrote:That does sound like a Chai Guy quote... he hates mutant vehicles to begin with!Kinetic V wrote: Chai Guy -
I'd like to see them have one single rule wrt: art cars.
No internal combustion engines.
Both ideas represent what I'd like to see out there. Radical self reliance for art vehicles, and Chai's idea of no internal combustion engines.
I think this is ignorant. The type of engine in a mutant vehicle has approximately NOTHING to do with the situation! Hi, I'm Biff, and this Toyota pickup with a penis spray-painted on the door is my art car! But it's OK, I swapped in an electric motor!
When the hell did Burning Man become an environmental extremist showcase? What real difference will it make for a few one-week-only mutant vehicles to use electric power, MOST OF WHICH WILL BE GENERATED BY GASOLINE OR DIESEL GENERATORS?
Get all enviro-wacko on your daily driven commuter cars, not very short term, temporary vehicles that aren't even a drop in the bucket.
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spectabillis
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the funny thing about all this is the futility of it. you can brainstorm and debate the points of great ideas until a workable solution is formed, but it will make absolutely no difference. the only people with ability to make changes are senior staff or higher, and even if you convince them the effort involved means they wont give it much attention to anything different from what they want. burningman isnt autonomy, it isnt democracy, it isnt even some new-and-trendy conveniant label that makes it sound better than it ever is like 'do-ocracy'. its a privately held corporation, thats the depressing and boring truth.
besides, try to change anything that makes it more difficult for org employees, seriously, it will never happen. example: they are the biggest abusers of the spirit everyone else has to follow. get to know some dpw or ems person with a vehicle, many cruise around the playa all day long in air-conditioned trucks just to hang out and do cool shit. hell, our best private transport was someone with one where we got to go anywhere with a cooler in the back constantly topped off with beer. when supplies or something is needed from town? yeah, guess what.... ? yeah and they know it, its like being that guy with back stage passes to some ultra cool rock concert they trade for blow jobs from clueless highschoolers. thats what burningman has become.
face it, and my-fucking-god this is depressing, but burningman has become the full-on example of what our lives are like in the real world. if your not connected or dont play the game, you're nobody.
besides, try to change anything that makes it more difficult for org employees, seriously, it will never happen. example: they are the biggest abusers of the spirit everyone else has to follow. get to know some dpw or ems person with a vehicle, many cruise around the playa all day long in air-conditioned trucks just to hang out and do cool shit. hell, our best private transport was someone with one where we got to go anywhere with a cooler in the back constantly topped off with beer. when supplies or something is needed from town? yeah, guess what.... ? yeah and they know it, its like being that guy with back stage passes to some ultra cool rock concert they trade for blow jobs from clueless highschoolers. thats what burningman has become.
face it, and my-fucking-god this is depressing, but burningman has become the full-on example of what our lives are like in the real world. if your not connected or dont play the game, you're nobody.
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Bob
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Spec, I don't think you can make the case that Burning Man was ever democratic or autonomous or fair. It's always been an in-crowd thing. The difference now is they go to great pains to appoint sham committees of community <drink> aparatchiks that pretend to fair practices when nothing of the sort exists.
But so what? Stick to bike jousting -- just don't ride drunk, don't actually hit anyone while jousting, extinguish all flames, grind off all pointy edges, wear a headlight, don't exceed 5 mph, don't ram the spectator stands, don't ride sans pants, keep your $10 devil wings on straight, avoid the Ramp of Death, and for god's sake don't piss off a ranger.
But so what? Stick to bike jousting -- just don't ride drunk, don't actually hit anyone while jousting, extinguish all flames, grind off all pointy edges, wear a headlight, don't exceed 5 mph, don't ram the spectator stands, don't ride sans pants, keep your $10 devil wings on straight, avoid the Ramp of Death, and for god's sake don't piss off a ranger.
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Used coffee grinds...theCryptofishist wrote:And how do we heat this water?
see KineticSteamWorks
which makes me wonder.. Did KSW get a permit for the steam tractor? It is obviously not mutated and one can clearly tell its a tractor.
If the powers that be bother reading this thread pls consider an "art car zone" for next year. We could have it near the trash fence and allow folks to keep non-mutants there during the event to be shown and appreciated. I'm sure amongst the art car community there could be participants in the mix to keep things organized and safe while still keeping the BLM happy.
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zero tolerance
The BLM rangers and LEO's have zero tolerance for intoxicated operators and the DMV is a bad place for an operator to arrive drugged, drunk or drinking.
At the "Interacting with Law Enforcement on the Playa" meeting on August
2nd 2008, it was stated that an open container within the reach of the driver is NOT
permitted. This leaves a lot of room for interpretation, but to comply with the spirit of that statement as well as the actual meaning could head off an unfortunate interaction.
http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/f61 ... f73ef03904
At the "Interacting with Law Enforcement on the Playa" meeting on August
2nd 2008, it was stated that an open container within the reach of the driver is NOT
permitted. This leaves a lot of room for interpretation, but to comply with the spirit of that statement as well as the actual meaning could head off an unfortunate interaction.
http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/f61 ... f73ef03904
A pristine example of the arrogance that has crept into many of the volunteer groups over the years....then it's obvious that you have no one to blame except yourself for not mutating your vehicle.
"You don't (or didn't) get the message we thought we were putting out last year and so it's your fault for assuming that things would be the same this year even though we failed to notify you of said changes in a timely manner - asshole."
Desert dogs drink deep.
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Kinetik V
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I like the art car zone idea...but as for the steam tractor being unmodified, so what! Leave the steam tractor alone...it takes a real artistic touch and many other talents to keep such a machine alive. Leave 'em be.Toolmaker wrote:Used coffee grinds...theCryptofishist wrote:And how do we heat this water?
see KineticSteamWorks
which makes me wonder.. Did KSW get a permit for the steam tractor? It is obviously not mutated and one can clearly tell its a tractor.
If the powers that be bother reading this thread pls consider an "art car zone" for next year. We could have it near the trash fence and allow folks to keep non-mutants there during the event to be shown and appreciated. I'm sure amongst the art car community there could be participants in the mix to keep things organized and safe while still keeping the BLM happy.
Kinetic V
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Learn the difference between Art Cars and Mutant Vehicle
The Volunteer DMV Hotties encourage you to take the time to learn the difference between Art Cars and Burning Man Mutant Vehicles.
"Obsessive Collection" Art Cars have become so common in creation and everyday life that they are fodder for internet parody. Glue and screw object covered vehicles that still retain the base vehicle shape are unlikely to be considered Mutant Vehicles due to unlimited replication.
http://www.playazon.com/transport/ac_kit.html
This may come as current news to some, but as part the post playa planning after the 2003 event, the DMV changed the terminology from Art Car to Mutant Vehicle. The art car community exists beyond Burning Man and the DMV is not determining whether or not something is art, but rather if something fits the criteria for vehicles driven on the playa during the Burning Man event. This change was undertaken to clear up some misconceptions about the DMV mission and clarify concerns about base vehicle recognition.
The struggle with enforcement problems affected the DMV's morale in 2003. More importantly, it made our city an unsafe environment. Theoretically, every citizen should take individual responsibility for driving only if licensed, and then only in a safe manner. Unfortunately, this ideal is not the reality. Law enforcement officials have said that if we do not manage driving in the city, they will. Consequently, we had a need, for the first time in Burning Man history, to enforce DMV rules beyond peer pressure. This move saddens us all, but we are up for the task. We will be working as support to the Rangers and the Safety Committee to accomplish this goal.
In an effort to gain control of our city's safety and prevent bodily injury to participants, some prominent art cars were not allowed back in Black Rock City. La Contessa and the Shark Car were banned from returning for 2004. Unfortunately the unsafe driving practices far exceeded community tolerance and out- weighed the visual contributions.
Some people expressed fear of going out on the open playa due to unlit driving by La Contessa and the DMV received reports of physical damage to other participants' property by the Shark. Law enforcement has expressed concerns about the Shark car in a public meeting forum and Burning Man will not tolerate potentially dangerous Mutant Vehicles.
http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/069 ... 57e62fd6a0
"Obsessive Collection" Art Cars have become so common in creation and everyday life that they are fodder for internet parody. Glue and screw object covered vehicles that still retain the base vehicle shape are unlikely to be considered Mutant Vehicles due to unlimited replication.
http://www.playazon.com/transport/ac_kit.html
This may come as current news to some, but as part the post playa planning after the 2003 event, the DMV changed the terminology from Art Car to Mutant Vehicle. The art car community exists beyond Burning Man and the DMV is not determining whether or not something is art, but rather if something fits the criteria for vehicles driven on the playa during the Burning Man event. This change was undertaken to clear up some misconceptions about the DMV mission and clarify concerns about base vehicle recognition.
The struggle with enforcement problems affected the DMV's morale in 2003. More importantly, it made our city an unsafe environment. Theoretically, every citizen should take individual responsibility for driving only if licensed, and then only in a safe manner. Unfortunately, this ideal is not the reality. Law enforcement officials have said that if we do not manage driving in the city, they will. Consequently, we had a need, for the first time in Burning Man history, to enforce DMV rules beyond peer pressure. This move saddens us all, but we are up for the task. We will be working as support to the Rangers and the Safety Committee to accomplish this goal.
In an effort to gain control of our city's safety and prevent bodily injury to participants, some prominent art cars were not allowed back in Black Rock City. La Contessa and the Shark Car were banned from returning for 2004. Unfortunately the unsafe driving practices far exceeded community tolerance and out- weighed the visual contributions.
Some people expressed fear of going out on the open playa due to unlit driving by La Contessa and the DMV received reports of physical damage to other participants' property by the Shark. Law enforcement has expressed concerns about the Shark car in a public meeting forum and Burning Man will not tolerate potentially dangerous Mutant Vehicles.
http://tribes.tribe.net/bmmv/photos/069 ... 57e62fd6a0
All of this is a moot point. As mentioned, neither have been on the playa since 2004 so why bring it to the fore other than to use the issue as a red herring?Some people expressed fear of going out on the open playa due to unlit driving by La Contessa and the DMV received reports of physical damage to other participants' property by the Shark. Law enforcement has expressed concerns about the Shark car in a public meeting forum and Burning Man will not tolerate potentially dangerous Mutant Vehicles.
Though I'm sure no resolution is forthcoming it'd be interesting to take some of the questions posted here back to the DMV to ask why certain basic functions of the group seem to have gone unfulfilled - such as timely notification of a vehicle's rejection.
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burningflyer
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- Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:35 pm
More Volunteers Needed
There was over 800 Mutant Vehicles invited to the Black Rock City in 2007 and one of the issues of the growing number of applicants is the limited capacity of the DMV volunteers to process the vehicles as required by the BLM Special Stipulations. The total number of invited MV’s has gone up every year by about 100 over the previous year and new volunteer Hotties are continually being recruited in order to keep up with the clerical demands of registering the Mutant Vehicles.
If you think the DMV is not doing its job well, then you are welcome to get involved, learn the complexities and realities of the what the volunteers do and must deal with, and see if you can make a positive influence towards what you think would be better.
http://burningman.com/participate/volunteer.html
Spend a little time at the DMV and you soon realize that 90% of what is being done is clerical documentation required by the permit for the event. Approximately 3000 hours are spent on and off playa by a dedicated group of volunteers in order for some to have the select and elite opportunity of a motive creative expression.
Perhaps the tipping point related to Mutant Vehicle capacity at Black Rock City is when the number of people interested in bringing a powered motive creations dwarfs the volunteers willing to perform the registration process.
No DMV = No Mutant Vehicles
http://burningman.com/preparation/blm_s ... tions.html
TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT MOTOR VEHICLES
36. Operation of motor vehicles within the event area is prohibited. Exceptions to this prohibition are: mutant vehicles registered with BRC
If you think the DMV is not doing its job well, then you are welcome to get involved, learn the complexities and realities of the what the volunteers do and must deal with, and see if you can make a positive influence towards what you think would be better.
http://burningman.com/participate/volunteer.html
Spend a little time at the DMV and you soon realize that 90% of what is being done is clerical documentation required by the permit for the event. Approximately 3000 hours are spent on and off playa by a dedicated group of volunteers in order for some to have the select and elite opportunity of a motive creative expression.
Perhaps the tipping point related to Mutant Vehicle capacity at Black Rock City is when the number of people interested in bringing a powered motive creations dwarfs the volunteers willing to perform the registration process.
No DMV = No Mutant Vehicles
http://burningman.com/preparation/blm_s ... tions.html
TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT MOTOR VEHICLES
36. Operation of motor vehicles within the event area is prohibited. Exceptions to this prohibition are: mutant vehicles registered with BRC
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Kenny Z
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Kinetic V wrote:Radical self reliance for art vehicles, and Chai's idea of no internal combustion engines. It's called electricity, and yes one can do wonderful things with it. Including moving art cars around the playa. That sort of stuff should be encouraged.
I'm looking in replacing my 13hp Honda motor with nuclear power. I think I can do it for next year. I'm just trying to find a razor blade small enough to split an atom and quality duct tape to contain it. If it works, I should be able to ditch the alternator and fancy lights since the vehicle will probably glow on its own.