What's a Palin

[unjonharley]

What the hell is a Palin?

Mc cain has gone nuts now for months..
All about the Bomber having no experience.

So he takes an unknown house wife as a running mate..

They take her into a back room and tell her how to speak, dress and act.. She comes out talking like a puppet with Mc Cain's hand up her ass running her mouth..

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Here's yo Palin!
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[wonderphil]

Dude,
So what if she was previously unknown?? that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

That housewife appears to have more executive experience than your very sorry black power orginizing bomber and his more qualified running mate Biden and Mac all put together. What is your problem are you a misogynist? Or just another sorry worm, a white guilt, sheep, liberal

What the hell is a Palin?

Mc cain has gone nuts now for months..
All about the Bomber having no experience.

So he takes an unknown house wife as a running mate..

They take her into a back room and tell her how to speak, dress and act.. She comes out talking like a puppet with Mc Cain's hand up her ass running her mouth..

[gyre]

Why shouldn't we trust McCain?
The republicans would never lie to us, the people of radioland.

And everything has been great so far.


There is that little thing of Palin not believing in democracy to gloss over though.
And McCain's hypocrisy for picking a lunatic for a running mate.
If he's caved in to the christian taleban, was he lying before.
Or is it now?


As the republicans said at that huge chemical lobby party when asked about the hurricane victims and McCain having asked everyone to tone down the corruption until he gets his ass in the chair,
"Everybody's Got Problems!"

[unjonharley]

Dude,
So what if she was previously unknown?? that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

That housewife appears to have more executive experience than your very sorry black power orginizing bomber and his more qualified running mate Biden and Mac all put together. What is your problem are you a misogynist? Or just another sorry worm, a white guilt, sheep, liberal

What the hell is a Palin?

Mc cain has gone nuts now for months..
All about the Bomber having no experience.

So he takes an unknown house wife as a running mate..

They take her into a back room and tell her how to speak, dress and act.. She comes out talking like a puppet with Mc Cain's hand up her ass running her mouth..

You can't read huh?

I'm saying Mc Cain is a hypocrite for taking an unknown as a running mate..

It shows how much of a control freak he is..

Being a small town mayor dose not make a president..

Mc Cain is dyeing as we watch him from day to day..

I see Mc Caim dragging his right arm and hand.. Listen to him comment instead of speeches.. He is in a acute state of depression..

The other party forced his hand to get a women any women to run with him..

[ygmir]

I would challenge anyone to find a candidate who has no "skeletons", is honest, and, not corrupt.
You don't get that far being "pure and innocent"................
And, the degrees of hypocrisy and corruption only vary according to how much you like a certain candidate..............if you like them, or, think they're good looking, etc, people will tend to accept in them flaws that they'll roast another for.............
Or see one moral or ethical problem as not as serious and another, because, it doesn't bother them as much, or, because we tend to excuse those we like or admire............

The argument between any set of candidates on a national, or state, level for that matter, if based on altruism......seems vapant............

Why not accept they're all corrupt, liars, and argue about, IMHO, the real difference, again, only IMHO, and that is socialist vs capitalist, expansionist vs isolationist............

Both have merit, we just have to decide what we, as individuals, want.

And, if enough of us want it, that's who wins (no crying about "stolen " elections.......Kennedy/Nixon, Bush/Kerry, etc.)

Just some thoughts.....random, as usual.........

[unjonharley]

I'm sorry ygmir, You have to know your vote don't count..

Mc Cains back ground has all to do about how much of a leader he could be.. As well as Palin..

She is under indictment for abuse of power at this time.. She has a record of hanging with the big oil companies..

He has showen us his poorest side as a polly ticker.. This has been glossed over by a team of thieves.. it's all smoke and mirrors.. You have to keep track of the past to vote the future..

They told him awhile back he had to laugh more.. So he come off looking like a braying ass.. When the media tells the truth he attacks them.. No matter how far he tries to get away.. He is still in bed with Goe Bush & Co. Or to shorten this all up..

He is what the party is making him over into..

[CapSmashy]

So what if she was previously unknown??

Except she's not an unknown. Her history shows us she is an extremist religious zealot that believes in holy wars, banning and burning "objectionable" books, denial of freedom of choice and speech, that she is an absolute hypocrite in terms of family "values" and an absolute do as I say, not as I do advocate.

that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

And what, SPECIFICALLY, does she have to offer? That she can read a speech written for her? That she can dance like a puppet on command for the desperate GOP puppet masters?

She brings nothing to the table.

That housewife appears to have more executive experience than your very sorry black power orginizing bomber and his more qualified running mate Biden and Mac all put together.

Seriously? Mayor of a town of what, 6 people? Governor of a state of 600k that is owned by the oil companies? That's your definition of "executive" experience?

The Superintendent of the LA school district has more executive experience than Palin based on the basic fact that there are more students in the schools of LA than people in Alska.

Are you seriously going to sit there and say with a straight face that she has the ability to go head to head with Putin? With Jintao?

As already mentioned, McCain is fading fast. I give him a year tops if he wins the election before he strokes out or has a heart attack. World leaders like Putin know he is on a very short fuse and will go to great lengths to punch his buttons to make him pop.

With a little guidance in what to say, Obama could probably make McCain pop his cork on live tv during a debate. Then we'll all get to see how well the GOP hypocrite beauty queen will perform in the national spotlight in the face of 2 wars and a rapidly growing threat from Russia and China.

[ygmir]

Unjon,
I operate under no pretense that my vote counts.
I do this mainly for the intellectual stimulation.
I look past who's president, honestly. I think they're all puppets.....some even socks.........

I put most of the blame and my vitriol on congress........

I think the only point I was trying to make is that none of the candidates can claim moral high ground, or, lack of hypocrisy..........and we sit and argue who's "better" or, more "honest", when, neither one is.......it's just what we accept in those we like........

It's, IMHO, like argue the virtues of Mao vs Stalin.......I'm sure both had admirable qualities or ideas, but..............was either a "good guy", IMHO, nope.

I'm just saying that I think the only real basis for argument is the direction we think (and, since they all flip flop, that's even arguable), they will take the country as relates socially, economically, and foreign affairs.

Not if they go to church, which one, etc, etc.
That is their ploy:
Get us arguing about stuff that doesn't matter..

My only, bottom line hope is this:

I hope, whomever wins this election, is the best president we've ever had. I want them to make this a great nation, again, and all that goes with it.
To that end, I will support the winners efforts do accomplish that.

It is fun to argue the moral implications to blow jobs from young subordinates vs money laundering vs oil kickbacks, vs revenge killings.......etc, etc............
They give us plenty to be distracted by........

[unjonharley]

The machine that has taken control of the last two election is in full swing again..

Why else would they run a half dead man and a controllable second..

The fix is in..

[CapSmashy]

The machine that has taken control of the last two election is in full swing again..

Why else would they run a half dead man and a controllable second..

The fix is in..

I believe it.

[unjonharley]

The machine that has taken control of the last two election is in full swing again..

Why else would they run a half dead man and a controllable second..

The fix is in..

I believe it.

A Goe. Bush third term..

More war

More killng

More profit

[unjonharley]

Here is a laugh for you..

Yesterday.. Mc Cain pressed: "No more special interests"..

Daffy Duck Reagon got out of his cage once.. He ordered zero tolerance for drugs on boats/ship..

Some happy Coast Guard sailor grabbed a couple million $ yachts..

Reagon was told they would cut his political nuts out.. Rescind order

[wonderphil]

So what if she was previously unknown??

Except she's not an unknown. Her history shows us she is an extremist religious zealot that believes in holy wars, banning and burning "objectionable" books, denial of freedom of choice and speech, that she is an absolute hypocrite in terms of family "values" and an absolute do as I say, not as I do advocate.

Ok I agree with you that "she is not an unknown" as your tag team partner claimed.

I am against all of the above extremist views you claim for her as are most reasonable people, what is your source for this damming info above (the Dumbocrats free press)? If so, you should understand why it is free, because it is garbage. I am not asking you to quote from a conservative source just a source from a good liberal rag such as the New York Times, Washington Post, or Seattle Times) such as the following article about Palin

Palin has not pushed creation science as governor

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/p ... onism.html

that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

And what, SPECIFICALLY, does she have to offer? That she can read a speech written for her? That she can dance like a puppet on command for the desperate GOP puppet masters?

She brings nothing to the table.

Maybe it is just that she seems to scare the hell out of the dumbocrats for some reason <grin>

That housewife appears to have more executive experience than your very sorry black power orginizing bomber and his more qualified running mate Biden and Mac all put together.

Seriously? Mayor of a town of what, 6 people? Governor of a state of 600k that is owned by the oil companies? That's your definition of "executive" experience?

A slight exageration to try to prove your points. The town has at least 7000 residents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla,_Alaska

the state is small in population as you say (about the same as the dumbocrats choice for VP's state Delaware) but contains 16% of the total area of the USA. Neither the state or Palin is controlled by the oil companies. BTW, Oil companies are not evil.


Obama claims exec experience in interview:

COOPER: And, Senator Obama, my final question -- your -- some of your Republican critics have said you don't have the experience to handle a situation like this. They in fact have said that Governor Palin has more executive experience, as mayor of a small town and as governor of a big state of Alaska.

What's your response?

OBAMA: Well, you know, my understanding is, is that Governor Palin's town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We have got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month.


Wow, Obama runs a big campaign! Which is actually ran by his campaign manager or dumbocrat handlers same as any other campaign is ran by managers.

Compared to all of the Senators on the Republican and Democratic tickets, Governor Sarah Palin has two more years of running a government, balancing a budget and managing a legislature than any of the other candidate running today. The fact is, being a Senator means you spend 50% of your time campaigning, 25% with your family and another 25% showing up to vote the party line 90% of the time. The fact is Senators don’t even read the laws they are voting on anymore as Michael Moore proved.

So what experience does Obama, or Biden really offer in regard to governing? Governor Palin has worked a real job, ran her own company, been a real mom, a real mayor and a real Governor. Obama has not run a budget for anything and worst of all he is a lawyer. Biden is a 35 year veteran of the U.S. Senate democratic party machinery and he represents change? If you want change, Governor Palin sounds more like change. Most Senators have voted what they were told to vote on by their respective party over 90% of the time. Look at the records yourself. Only Mac has had the balls to go against his party and vote his conscience.

The Superintendent of the LA school district has more executive experience than Palin based on the basic fact that there are more students in the schools of LA than people in Alska.

Are you seriously going to sit there and say with a straight face that she has the ability to go head to head with Putin? With Jintao?

Yes, I would seriously rather have her in that position than Obama.

As already mentioned, McCain is fading fast. I give him a year tops if he wins the election before he strokes out or has a heart attack. World leaders like Putin know he is on a very short fuse and will go to great lengths to punch his buttons to make him pop.

His 96 YO mother seems to be in very good health and seems to have a good mind. McCaine does have some war wounds so lmay look disfunctional to you, as you pointed out. Such as he can't raise his arms above his sholders or it pains him to attemp that. We won't be asked to vote on his old war wounds.

Why don't you spend some time on matters of substance? BTW, we are all dying

With a little guidance in what to say, Obama could probably make McCain pop his cork on live tv during a debate. Then we'll all get to see how well the GOP hypocrite beauty queen will perform in the national spotlight in the face of 2 wars and a rapidly growing threat from Russia and China

you are a true patriot

[Timezone LaFontaine]

Palin's a burner.

A book burner, that is.

[unjonharley]

So ,tell me wonderphil..

Did you "stop" being a "republican" and become an "American" as Mc Cain asked you to?? Help him milk that storm for himself

[ygmir]

so, as a general question for Obamanites, hoping to live in an Obamanation (chuckle):

Is BHO the messiah? The Christ?
I still don't see how he is above or immune to the things you point towards McCain. Has he no "skeletons" in his closet? No transgressions?
No immoral/unethical action ever committed?

Are you saying one set of flaws is worse than the other?

Most of these comparisons, IMHO, are moot at best...........which is worse: who lies more, who has the potential to lie more.........yada yada...........
Can you call Palin a religious radical, and, give Obama a pass on the church and it's pastor and published positions, that he attends (ed).
Don't I remember, from long ago, that Biden was caught plagiarizing a paper to get some degree, and, admitted same?
I bet he has his issues, as well......


if you want to paint McCain with the brush of previous administrations, republican that is, then , is it not fair to paint Obama that same way?
stepping further, which party has gotten us in, and or started, the most wars in our history? Might be interesting. Conversely: which party has gotten us out?

For the record, I think the above is not applicable to a comparison of candidates.

I'm also not in favor of either one of these guys..........

I don't even like Ron Paul, I just feared him the least..........

Understand, this is coming from an anarchist, in the true sense, in that I'm for hardly any government, helping or hurting, us.........let me thrive or drown, but, by my own hand..........and my own labor.........
don't help me, don't hold me back...........
And,
I'll choose who I help, and how.............don't force charity in the guise of taxes and handouts on me..........

[Eric]

Dude,
So what if she was previously unknown?? that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

Um. "wonder"phil, you do realize that your beloved republicans controlled Congress for 12 years of the last 14 years (1994-2006), and from 2001-2006 the Republicans controlled ALL the branches of government, so, by your own definition, your own party is the one that has done nothing. What did we get for all that republican control? A country in the worst shape that we've been in since the great depression- and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Or just another sorry worm, a white guilt, sheep, liberal

No, I'm a proud as fuck, God Bless America liberal, who has the ability to have both Bill Clinton and Barry Goldwater as political heroes (and I've gotten to meet Goldwater), who actually has the ability to read and think for myself. And do research. (bomber? yeah, right). Oh, I can also spell.

[wonderphil]

So ,tell me wonderphil..

Did you "stop" being a "republican" and become an "American" as Mc Cain asked you to?? Help him milk that storm for himself

I am not a member of any party. I do not really like the two party system and I do not fully agree what any party stands for. I would like people to vote thier own mind instead of being controlled by some big party, no brain "party line" , power hungry clown, such as Nancy Pelosi. I would generally support libertarian party positions except for the war in Iraq policy of Ron Paul. My studied opinion is that he and the Dems were and are wrong on that issue. It is a long story and is the overriding issue to me.

[wonderphil]

Dude,
So what if she was previously unknown?? that seems to be better than being a member of this self serving "me first" congress who are a bunch of self serving bull shitters who only have talk (bull shit) to offer.

Um. "wonder"phil, you do realize that your beloved republicans controlled Congress for 12 years of the last 14 years (1994-2006), and from 2001-2006 the Republicans controlled ALL the branches of government, so, by your own definition, your own party is the one that has done nothing. What did we get for all that republican control? A country in the worst shape that we've been in since the great depression- and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Or just another sorry worm, a white guilt, sheep, liberal

No, I'm a proud as fuck, God Bless America liberal, who has the ability to have both Bill Clinton and Barry Goldwater as political heroes (and I've gotten to meet Goldwater), who actually has the ability to read and think for myself. And do research. (bomber? yeah, right). Oh, I can also spell.

Congrats for being a good speller, now you go to the head of your class an get a fukinggold star. I didn't first spell bomber (meaning Obama) I just repeated what was said by the thread stater.

I did not say I was a Repuiblican, you did, falsely BTW..

I agree! negative publicity by the greedy, power hungry people out of power has convinced cretain shall we call them sheep? That it is like the great depression.

[unjonharley]

If you readmy post.. I called him"The Bomber"..(pet name so to speak.)

[betrdanevr]

Well, I guess I feel like voting "present" in this thread to say that the war in Iraq and the subsequent "Un-Patriot" Act is one of the overriding issues for me here as well. We got into it by nothing but lies and paranoia from Bush.

Paul is spot on with his opposition to the war in Iraq in the midst of the crumbling American infrastructure, if nothing more. Let alone the fact that it's "our" youth fighting wars which I have long believed should be fought by the old fat-cat leaders of nations who should get into fisticuffs and settle it all or at least play a decent game of poker! But since that ain't likely to happen . . . <sigh>.

I support his railing against the Federal Reserve to a degree. The bankers' control over the economy is outrageous, but it's not going to be able to be stopped in one fell swoop, and who's to say that it hasn't been needed at least at times throughout our history to keep us (ashamedly) at least still rocking along but in massive friggin' debt? Dramatic and sweeping immediate changes in monetary policy only lead to ultimate chaos, seems to me. But changes need to be made, no doubt. Maybe Paul has a plan. I dunno. But I don't think he has a chance in hell to win, and I don't like his social policies. That's not to say that I don't believe that his campaign was totally necessary to open our eyes.

Now, if you want to support McCain, just remember this:

He supports taxing of YOUR health insurance benefits!! (As an independent contractor, I don't even HAVE them.)

He supports OUTSOURCING of jobs, for the financial *benefit* of business.

If you're supporting of the idea of your job being nix'ed and outsourced to a company because the business owner is going to save a few dimes-- then GO VOTE FOR McCAIN!

Now, you-all and I know that nobody, but nobody, is in business for the sole benefit of their employees. But remember the sweat shop laws of the early 20th century and why America needed them?? Yep. Because otherwise, business would have used their employees and used them up.

Far as I'm concerned, McCain is not for the average American. He may give it lip service, but I doubt that he can relate. He knows not what property he owns, and he's showed extremely poor judgment in letting his wife wear friggin' $300,000 outfits while he wants to be President of the US of A. I don't care how much money they're worth. It shows me that he's not in touch...

And P.S. I supported Goldwater and Clinton too.

[MikeVDS]

I like McCain in general. I do disagree with some of his policies and might consider voting for him for pres if it wasn't for the Iraq war going on right now. With Palin on the ticket there is no way. He's too old and there is too good of a chance that he'll die off.

I couldn't agree more with CapSmashys comments about Palin.

Except she's not an unknown. Her history shows us she is an extremist religious zealot that believes in holy wars, banning and burning "objectionable" books, denial of freedom of choice and speech, that she is an absolute hypocrite in terms of family "values" and an absolute do as I say, not as I do advocate.

And that just glosses over things. "Religious zealot" means enforcing her morals on the country, including creationism in schools. She can't enact these things on her own but she's at least as dangerous as Bush.

[unjonharley]

She can't enact these things on her own but she's at least as dangerous as Bush.

Bush is not dangerous.. The vice pres and the people that bought and payed for his election is the danger.. It's a wounder they have not offed him.. That may be the plan to make sure Mc Cain gets in.. Those good old boys think they are bullet proof after fixing two elections in a row..

Mc cain is a walking dead man.. A new comer like Palin is easy controlable by the patry..

[CapSmashy]

Ok I agree with you that "she is not an unknown" as your tag team partner claimed.

Unjon is not my tag team partner. I do not need a partner to see through the absolute chicanery of the GOP bullshit machine.

I am against all of the above extremist views you claim for her as are most reasonable people, what is your source for this damming info above (the Dumbocrats free press)? If so, you should understand why it is free, because it is garbage. I am not asking you to quote from a conservative source just a source from a good liberal rag such as the New York Times, Washington Post, or Seattle Times) such as the following article about Palin

Dumbocrats?

I see a mature, intelligent debate is beyond your intellectual ability.

Maybe it is just that she seems to scare the hell out of the dumbocrats for some reason <grin>

First of all Sparky, I'm not a democrat.

Second of all, anyone concerned with the future of this nation should be deeply concerned concerning the choice of Palin as the VP choice.

She brings nothing to the table in terms of leadership ability.

Yes, I would seriously rather have her in that position than Obama.

Fascinating...

His 96 YO mother seems to be in very good health and seems to have a good mind.

His mother has not had 4 bouts with cancer, been mentally shattered as a pow or suffered the repeated greivous physical assualts from war.

McCaine does have some war wounds so lmay look disfunctional to you, as you pointed out. Such as he can't raise his arms above his sholders or it pains him to attemp that. We won't be asked to vote on his old war wounds.

Why don't you spend some time on matters of substance? BTW, we are all dying

I think the future health concerns of a potential president are very relevant and a matter of substance. Especially when the VP pick is so grossly unqualified for the position of president.

[gyre]

This does guarantee no sane person will ever try to hurt McCain.
All the secret service has to worry about are those nutjobs cheering for Palin, if they don't get their way.

[wonderphil]

Well, I guess I feel like voting "present" in this thread to say that the war in Iraq and the subsequent "Un-Patriot" Act is one of the overriding issues for me here as well. We got into it by nothing but lies and paranoia from Bush.

Or , DUH, Could it be that the "me first" skum bags who were out of power but will do and say anything to regain power were lets say twisting the truth?

BUSH LIED, he LIED, BUSH LIED. Lets just say it enough and some sheep will believe it?

Paul is spot on with his opposition to the war in Iraq in the midst of the crumbling American infrastructure, if nothing more.

Many people think he is a fool on that issue and several others, as do I. However, he is entitled to his opinion as are all the rest of us here that does not make it a fact. I think he was a poor choice to lead the Libertarian party.

Let alone the fact that it's "our" youth fighting wars which I have long believed should be fought by the old fat-cat leaders of nations who should get into fisticuffs and settle it all or at least play a decent game of poker! But since that ain't likely to happen . . . <sigh>.

Right on! it ain't going to happen, not worth wishing for it either. Someone has to fight our wars and As far as war goes, Lets say I kick you in the nuts. Are you going to retaliate at some point or let me kick you again and again in the nuts until I get bored of doing it and quit or maybe I decide to take property, your women as my sex slaves and kill your worthless so call men who have no balls left?

I hope that you as an American will still have the balls left to defend your self interests.

In terms of American lifes lost, the war in Iraq has been costly but is nothing compared to numbers lost in past wars. for example

http://www.civilwarhome.com/casualties.htm

Iraq has provided a wonderful magnet for religious fanatic terrorists to attack us and try to defeat us. They even had us on the ropes with all the dumbocrats except Lieberman selling out our interests in favor of their own. Notice that since 9/11/01 we have not been fighting the war on our own soil --_ actually that is wrong we have been fighting on our own soil but have not had any incidents that I know of. a very big point when you think about what the cost could have been in terms of money and lives.
Have we made mistakes ? HELL YES we made lots of mistakes hindsight is perfect. I believe Bushs' coyboy swagger and attitude hurt in various ways . That does not make any part of the war wrong then or now IMO. If anything, I fault Bush senior for not taking out that asshole Hussein in the first gulf war when he had the chance..

As far as the money cost goes the war in Iraq has been costly. T Boone Pickens has pointed out that we are now spending $700 billion dollars a year paying for foreign oil. That 700 billion is four times the cost of the Iraq war. That we are sending 700 bill of our money every year (cost which is growing) to people who don't like us is the fault of both parties for at least the last 30 years. However it is mostly the fault of the dumbocrats' because they don't want to drill and or develop our own resources. They have a ton of lame excuses that are all total Bull shit. So if you are worried about the sorry state of our infrastructure you can call your local reps and tell them to get off their sorry dead asses and do something about the waste of our money to foreign sources it besides talking their usual bull shit.

It has been costly in various ways has it been worth it ? good question only history will tell. It is not for the out of power, negative, truth twisting, power hungry politicians and their sheep followers to say as if it were a fact.

Maybe Paul has a plan. I dunno. But I don't think he has a chance in hell to win

,

All of Paul's' other positions are debatable but have no interest for me as you are right Paul has no chance. It is very difficult to fight the Repugnutdumocrat, big party machines even if a person did have a good platform (which Paul doies not)

[mdmf007]

Palin may not be known in the lower 48 but she is a god in Alaska.

I have been working in Alaska this last year off and on as well as other sites.

In Alaska - Sarah can do no wrong, she is an incredible speaker, and has no problem speaking her mind. As far as brevity, and smarts goes she is top notch.

My problem is thus, she has even less experience than Obama. difference is that she will more than likely be taking over as president from McCain. I dont think McCain will survive 2 terms let alone one. This puts Palin front and center.

just me thinking aloud.

[betrdanevr]

So, then, how can anybody who's not "dumbed out" then support a Republican administration who's not for the blue-collar worker, who's in spport of the Patriot Act (read: no citizens rights) and war based on paranoia?

[betrdanevr]

I hear ya, hon, and I'm also from the Jimmy Carter state. He was the same type of darkhorse candidate, and he did a lot of good things.

The shame, if at all, is perhaps that he can do more OUTSIDE the generally accepted political process than inside it.