What's a Palin

[gyre]

Which leftist media are you talking about?
The one owned by Murdoch or some other multi-billionaire owned media group?
The one controlled by GE, so sensitive about it's mass production of nuclear weapons it changed the name of that silly movie Atomic Train (fiction by the way), or some other leftist organization?

The only full coverage I see, which I'm presuming is what is meant by leftist, is by independents (usually in documentaries) and foreign media.
PBS often shows some good news coverage, though most here is foreign generated, and fairly protected from intimidation.

[lurker]

Eric, did you miss this tidbit?

Though I have to say, it proves my initial point--they're all gonna screw you.

[lurker]

gyre, come on. There's one station singing the praises of Palin(and it's Murdochs), the others, owned by big, evil, corporations as they are, are taking pot-sots at Palin. The slant is pretty clear--no matter where the cash comes from.

[ygmir]

Which leftist media are you talking about?
The one owned by Murdoch or some other multi-billionaire owned media group?
The one controlled by GE, so sensitive about it's mass production of nuclear weapons it changed the name of that silly movie Atomic Train (fiction by the way), or some other leftist organization?

The only full coverage I see, which I'm presuming is what is meant by leftist, is by independents (usually in documentaries) and foreign media.
PBS often shows some good news coverage, though most here is foreign generated, and fairly protected from intimidation.

exactly why I used "IMHO" to qualify my statement.........

I do see, as mentioned, way more negative, "probing" commentary and "hit" pieces aimed at the right...........
and it is telling, that, someone would point to PBS implying "neutral" in their reporting........

Again,
I don't trust any of the media to be fair..........they all have a slant.....I just think the vast majority of them slant left......even down to small comments, tones, inflection, etc used by reporters and anchors......

And, the owners of a media group do equate to "slant".......GE etc, seeing how "slanted" the big 3 are.......


and fair documentaries.......like michael moore?......et al........


My point was that people get so caught up in the emotion of politics, they quite often lose sight of the issues......
they take criticism of their point of view as a personal attack, or, an attack on their lifestyle/religion/beliefs.........

Mostly,
I see the argument not about the final outcome, just, the mechanism of getting there.........

Again, I state: I'm embarrassed by both parties.

[gyre]

That is their job.
Anyone not looking for fault is faking it.

And seriously, Palin?
The shining result of a billion years of evolution is this?
This is the best the republican party could come up with, that would take the job and didn't have a bigger closet of skeletons?

Desperation or poor judgment, either way it tells a story.

She makes Obama look like Woodrow Wilson.


It's like the election we had here recently.
We've had a longtime incumbent.
I'm not entirely happy with him and was considering the other candidate.
Then she ran a series of anti-semitic and racist ads so bad they got network news coverage.
I called her office and told them that Cohen would have to beat a small child to death on camera for me to vote for her.
They stood by the "facts" in their ads.
She was widely expected to win at one point.
She got 20% after the ads, in a racist, black city, no less.

[ygmir]

..........That is their job.
Anyone not looking for fault is faking it. ...........

That's part of my point:
I don't see the digging into Obama or Biden like I do McCain and Palin......
and, don't try to deny they have their "issues" and skeletons.........

So, I think correctly, I infer a media bias.......


It's also somewhat disappointing to hear people use slurs, etc, and call people dumb or whatever, just because the don't agree with them.......

I bet they don't make the same reference to African tribes, even though much of what they do is brutal, inhumane, immoral, whatever, compared you our paradigm........Or even the venerable Mandela and the ANC........"necktie parties" etc........
Castro in Cuba, etc, etc.....
I use these as examples only.

Perhaps I'm missing the moral and intellectual pedestal afforded some folks when they make one sides accusations and inferences without applying the same standard to both sides........

I call 'em all crooked liars................then we can discuss issues and policy without arguing about who dresses funny and smells bad.........
like asking who's the better person, Mao or Stalin............?

I love my friends, and they range from both ends of the political spectrum.......
As I'm getting to know some here, I feel the same. Perhaps only "E" friends, we may never even meet, but, many of you are engaged and interesting, and, we agree on many points.
I'm just hoping to keep discussion away from personal, and, more on point,........
Unless we call names and laugh.......haahahaahaa

[littleflower]

obama is new. palin is newer. how can anyone be so certain as to what she is about? there is all kinds of bad info out on her, and nasty attacks ... give her a little while, huh? and obama ... ? what makes him qualified to be president? i'm still flabbergasted that he got the nomination.

i've watched biden and mccain for years, and often found little difference between them - particularly on the war in iraq.

they all have their criticisms and action plans, they all say that they will fix all of our problems... that's what candidates do. but the truth is that most of the problems are well beyond the capabilities of even the most brilliant, and the conditions are constantly changing. fix one problem, create another. anyone who claims to have all of the answers is damn scary, IMO.

[gyre]

The republicans do more wrong, very simply.
Check corporate donations- Chemical industry 90-98% to republicans
And so on.
It does cut across party lines, but the republican agenda is openly anti-democracy.
That doesn't leave a lot of choice right now.

As for media bias, did you see the series started by a paper in the northeast on "contributions" and voting on corporate welfare bills.
PBS followed up with a series on it.
Completely crosses the line into bribery.
This practice crosses all party lines, though worse in some quarters.
It is the kind of intensive research few papers can afford.
They follow voting patterns.
A vote for a project is passed, followed by a big "campaign contribution" in a methodical, obvious pattern, in some cases within hours or minutes of the vote.
They started with one politician and found the practice widespread.
Not very subtle even.

All of congress needs reform.
Some media are still doing a sterling job and getting it published.
It is still up to the public to follow up.

All of the serious media is very underfunded and treated as entertainment now.
Many of the more glaring scandals never get covered due to funding and outright censorship now.
Check into the history of media ownership.
It is all a ghost of what we once had.
Check out the staff at a newspaper some time.
It's been cut 80% here.
Hugely profitable, no content.
Often they just don't have any staff to cover a story.

I have seen little of Moore's work, though at the media co-op, we screened one of his films and another film by Frontline to contrast the two.
The interesting thing is that Moore's film used the same facts and documentation to tell the same story.
Moore's was simply told in a more "republican" or sensational style.
Not to my taste, but the same story.

The vast mass of media seems to me to be yellow journalists of the worst ilk, from Rush Limbo (named after drug terms) to O'Reilly, seemingly all psychotic.
If republicans really represented anyone they would not need such a vast machine to try to cover up things.
Tell the same lies long enough, someone will swallow it.
Why do you think they can't even follow through on the easy stuff?

Do you want to understand welfare reform?
If you go to college, to try to get off food stamps, that's welfare fraud.
Why do you think that is?
It is not in the interest of the real power in the party for people to do well.

That machine has to keep talking, to keep dancing, to keep lying.

Too bad they will never let McCain clean house.
One has to wonder why he is in that party.
Even he had to cave to the radicals with Palin.
He is too leftist for them.
If they have their way, it will mean civil war or dictatorship.
Remember even Bush repudiated the official platform a few years ago.

[littleflower]

your argument that frontline used the same facts as moore's documentary rather proves the point that frontline is biased, actually.

when writing news some facts are used, others not used ... some statements taken out of context ... come scandals ignored, while others are blown out of proportion. just because you read more about republican scandals than democrat scandals doesn't mean that the dems don't have them ... i am still very disgusted at the way the media buried the hillary clinton campaign funding bundling - millions from impoverished chinese in SF and NY - with a 3 month old story about a certain toe-tapping republican senator. the LA times did do a good story on the former, but then dropped it, as i knew they would. but we still hear about mr. toe-tapper.

as for corporate contributions - if they generally go to the party that is more pro-business, why should that surprise anyone? there are other powerful groups whose money goes to the democrats - unions, media, lawyers, among others. corporations are powerful but please remember who benefits from them - they employ an awful lot of people, and i think most people in this country get a piece of the profits through retirement plans, if nothing else. i am as appalled as anyone at the pay of some of the CEO's, but i'm equally appalled at the ridiculous pay of some movie stars, athletes, producers, &c. but the main point is that too much government control of corporations is more likely to hurt the economy than help it. i am for a balance of power ... business and government need each other. over-regulation is a big problem in a lot of european countries, look at their unemployment numbers ... why do you think sarkozy won in france?

it's easy to be cynical about our government, but we still have a damned good one, comparatively. i have a close friend from china ... her cousin lives in beijing ... they fixed up the outside of her mao-era building so it looked great for the olympics, but try to get them to fix her toilet...

[Marscrumbs]

http://michaelpalinforpresident.com

[littleflower]

http://michaelpalinforpresident.com

ha ha ha thanks for that!

[wonderphil]

It's like the election we had here recently.
We've had a longtime incumbent.

the long term incumbant(s) were Harald Ford Sr and Jr. Cohen is a one term freshman Cohen got 31% of the vote, not exactly a majority. It is no wonder, There were 14 black candidates against him.

I'm not entirely happy with him

I can see why, not only is he white but he is a dispicable fool.

and was considering the other candidate.
Then she ran a series of anti-semitic and racist ads so bad they got network news coverage.
I called her office and told them that Cohen would have to beat a small child to death on camera for me to vote for her.
They stood by the "facts" in their ads.
She was widely expected to win at one point.
She got 20% after the ads, in a racist, black city, no less.

Cohen was the only major white candidate on the 15-candidate primary ballot in 2006, narrowly besting Tinker. Some activists in the district, which encompasses Memphis, immediately cried foul, arguing that had the “black voteâ€

[gyre]

Politics is not that dull here with crooked politicians going to prison routinely for corruption and then being re-elected.
Our mayor has made anti-citizen, anti-white, anti-black, homophobic and antisemitic speeches and is deeply involved in corruption.
He is known for telling the press to go to hell, that what he does is no business of the public.
A large group of independents is routine here, maybe everywhere.
The level of racism by blacks is very intense and if Cohen has a specific fault, it would be catering to that.
The virulence of the ad campaign in it's racist content lost Tinker virtually all support.
Vote was Cohen 79%, Tinker 19%, possibly less.

If it is of any interest, I am told that this is the largest jewish community in the us outside of nyc.
I have never verified this myself.
For those unfamiliar with the south, there used to be a large jewish traditional community throughout the south, until the city migrations moved most people out of the rural areas.
So Cohen is not an anomaly really.



Prince Mongo isn't even the most ludicrous of our officials.
I won't even try to describe all the recent trials and other buffoonery.
Here's an example of one of the wilder mayoral candidates.
In one election I think he got 20% of the vote, scaring hell out of the regular candidates.
That's how unhappy most voters are.
http://www.myspace.com/prince_mongo
http://www.memphisflyer.com/memphis/Content?oid=31349

[wonderphil]

That is their job.
Anyone not looking for fault is faking it.

And seriously, Palin?
The shining result of a billion years of evolution is this?

No, it is probably this



or to be fair, this

Desperation or poor judgment, either way it tells a story.

You are correct, it was poor judgement that the demos picked Obama over Hillory based on their respective accomplishments (or non existant accomplisments)!

A black congress woman (Hillary supporter) talks with a
white US Senator who can't name one accomplishment of Obama.....

[ygmir]

do you think there is any basis for the rumor Obama is not eligible to be prez based on citizenship and/or birthplace?

Seems far fetched, but, also might be so.......

and, that if declared in-eligible, either Hillary or Joe (J.B. or, do I have that backwards...), would be appointed to take his place at the last minute? or, after election if removed?

I read that and thought, "huh?".......

could this be true?

Just wonderin'.........

[gyre]

your argument that frontline used the same facts as moore's documentary rather proves the point that frontline is biased, actually.

when writing news some facts are used, others not used ... some statements taken out of context ... come scandals ignored, while others are blown out of proportion. just because you read more about republican scandals than democrat scandals doesn't mean that the dems don't have them ... i am still very disgusted at the way the media buried the hillary clinton campaign funding bundling - millions from impoverished chinese in SF and NY - with a 3 month old story about a certain toe-tapping republican senator. the LA times did do a good story on the former, but then dropped it, as i knew they would. but we still hear about mr. toe-tapper.

as for corporate contributions - if they generally go to the party that is more pro-business, why should that surprise anyone? there are other powerful groups whose money goes to the democrats - unions, media, lawyers, among others. corporations are powerful but please remember who benefits from them - they employ an awful lot of people, and i think most people in this country get a piece of the profits through retirement plans, if nothing else. i am as appalled as anyone at the pay of some of the CEO's, but i'm equally appalled at the ridiculous pay of some movie stars, athletes, producers, &c. but the main point is that too much government control of corporations is more likely to hurt the economy than help it. i am for a balance of power ... business and government need each other. over-regulation is a big problem in a lot of european countries, look at their unemployment numbers ... why do you think sarkozy won in france?

it's easy to be cynical about our government, but we still have a damned good one, comparatively. i have a close friend from china ... her cousin lives in beijing ... they fixed up the outside of her mao-era building so it looked great for the olympics, but try to get them to fix her toilet...

I can't see how reporting the facts accurately is biased, unless that's what you mean.
The two films I referred to were about Bush's monkeyshines in Iraq.
Saying you don't like it when people mention it doesn't make it biased, just uncomfortable.

As for representing businesses instead of citizens, I think that is corruption in the most pure form.
No business should be allowed to take a position, campaign, influence or otherwise tamper with an election or the government in any way.
McCain understands that.

corporations don't even get a point of view and only have one with politicians who disenfranchise the citizens.
Why would anyone except a business support a party that ignores their interests?

[ygmir]

I can see how "reporting the facts" can be biased, if, you don't include all the facts, from all sides.............
you can make an accurate report, and substantiate all within, but, if you don't put it all there................

just a thought.......

[MikeVDS]

MikeVDS:
In reading this entire thread, over, I wonder:
does your above chastisement apply to those on the opposite side of wonderphil?

Yes and no at the same time. Wonderphil seems like the only one who's copy and pasting other peoples ideas, and basically spamming the boards with articles. There is a difference between having a conversation about something and posting long statements which are not meant as two way conversations. Most other posts and posters are worth commenting on and discussing, wonderphil's posts aren't.

If he had an insightful article to post, great! It gets tiresome when they are complete junk. If he wants to talk about junk he believes in a two way fashion, that's great too.

Am I the only one who feels that way about his posts?

[ygmir]

I see a lot of folks either pasting or linking to articles.
Mostly, for me, it's about discussion........my ideas and thoughts along with others......
I guess the concept of an intriguing article is quite subjective, so, it'd be hard to judge except for a persons own POV.
I do so love an intense, discussion, without lowering to personal insults.
I see some go there to fast......but, that's their way, I suppose........
Many here are quite erudite, and, superb communicators.....some, not so much........
But, it's a fun dance, non the less, IMHO..........

I just skip the boring stuff........(am I wrong to do that, )

since I don't have a big ax to grind in this election, ( I don't really like either candidate), I find it interesting to observe how people try to convince someone of their POV relating to a particular candidate, and, how they use so much hyperbole and innuendo, not able to back it except with more of the same from someone else.........
I referenced in somewhere else a phrase I coined to point to somewhat hypocritical attitudes:
"standing in the pool laughing at all the wet people around you........."

I use that in reference to people who claim one candidate is awful, evil, liar, philanderer, stupid, whatever, and, uses examples that could easily be applied to their candidate, too. It seems many think " Mine is better because the bad stuff he does isn't nearly as bad as the stuff yours does", I see that as comparing Mao and Stalin as to who's the nicest.........

dang.

Thanks for your reasoned response.

[Ugly Dougly]

I just want someone to represent my country who doesn't seem to be a drooling imbecile. Is that too much to ask for?

Although that Prince Mungo guy sounds like fun to hang with.

Has the post-playa buzz worn off already?

[ygmir]

so, UD, we need Teddy Roosevelt back........
can someone channel him, please...........

I like Sam Clemens quote, I paraphrase, and, probably butcher:
to wit:
The best governing is done when government is on vacation.........

throw all the bums out, call a constitutional convention, lets start over.......
BBBWWWWAAAHHHhahahahahaaha.......

A small town near me succeeded from the Union in the late 1800's......good idea....except, they came back, so, they could celebrate the 4th........hahahahaa..

[Rabbi Dali Rick]

Didn't we almost vote for someone like her as Govenor of California last term, her name was Mary Cary, I think. Google her to see what you would get if you voted for a great set of tits......



Got it....
http://www.marycareyforgovernor.com/
(warning: there is nudity at this site)




the rebbi

[unjonharley]

Palin takes a page from Connie Rice..

Shakes a big WAR fist in Russia's face..

[littleflower]

wonderful post, ygmir.

my favorite thing about the eplaya is that it is rarely boring ... when it is, i just change channels. wonderphil ... click. but he does get some interesting responses, so, who knows. there is room for all of us.

[ygmir]

why, thank you, littleflower.........
kicking dirt, twiddling thumbs.........

[can't sit still]

One point of view; http://www.rense.com/general83/oent.htm

[cowboyangel]

1) wars are ordained by God
2) good to shoot wolves from a plane or chopper
3) good to rape ANWAR for 3 months of oil
4) fuck women who've been raped and have a child as a result
5) ok to start a war with Russia, because God forbid, we don't want another "cold war"
6) The earth was created in 7 days and all children in all schools must be taught this
7) sex ed is bad bad bad bad
8) use your political powers to break laws, hey Bush does that so it must be ok.
9) Bush Doctrine, pre-emptive war??? say what???

AND 10

10) having a gaggle of kids and being a heartbeat away from the presidency is sound planning.

[gyre]

One point of view; http://www.rense.com/general83/oent.htm

Wow!
This reads like one of those overly complex scifi trilogies.
And he apparently manages to use Lie Factory and DC Zionist Criminal Cabal in the same sentence without giggling.
So is McCain a Neocon?

McCain was supposed to select either Gov. Mitt Romney or Rep. Eric Cantor, pre-approved by AIPAC, the Neocons, Zionist Israel, and the Zionist DC Criminal Cabal. Those options were acceptable to the Christian Zionists and Christian Dominionists. The governor of Minnesota was deemed too liberal. These two were, of course, who the conservative Neocons were pushing, too. Johnny Boy defied them all and selected who he wanted, someone who is from the outside and considers political corruption her sworn enemy.

I think by the fifth chapter we find out that if the Palin can acquire the Tablet of Rhubarb from the Neocons, she will become Queen of the Monkey People and the 30 billion dollar pipeline will go through!

At least, with $30 billion involved, we can be sure no corruption will occur.

[gyre]

I can't find a complete history of Prince Mongo of the planet Zambodia, but he first got press for riding a motorcycle with a chimp in helmet on the back.
He became well known when some prissy neighbors objected to a party he held, so he began putting art pieces in the front yard of his rather conservative home.
Ultimately this included commodes, manneqinns and so on.
He was in an extended fight with the completely illegal "civil" court set up in Memphis to bypass normal rules of procedure.
They have the theoretical power to fine you $75 a day for having a lawn mower in your back yard.
My own federal lawsuit against this "Judge" is pending.

From the Mewmphis Flyer

Mongo Loses Round Two
Controversial Club Denied Beer Permit
BY REBEKAH GLEAVES | OCTOBER 20, 2000

On Wednesday, October 17th, Robert "Prince Mongo" Hodges lost Round Two in his battle to defend The Castle, his controversial nightclub. The Memphis Alcohol Commission indefinitely revoked Hodges' beer license for the Midtown club, located in Ashlar Hall at 1397 Central Avenue.

The license revocation will have not have an immediate effect on the nightclub as it is already temporarily enjoined from having any alcohol on the premises. The injunction, imposed last week by Criminal Court Judge Chris Craft, will be in effect until November 20th, when a full Criminal Court hearing on public nuisance charges will occur.

The Castle has been the focus of negative attention due to allegations of underage drinking, public nudity, and patrons disrupting the neighborhood. A smattering of the most out-spoken of The Castle's opponents were on hand for the Alcohol Commission hearing, as was the club's colorful front man, Prince Mongo. Outfitted in his now standard uniform of a long gray wig, bug-eye sunglasses, and a military-style frock coat that hangs just over his bare knees and feet, Mongo sat quietly in the city council chambers, where the hearing was held, until his case was called.

The outspoken restaurateur, who claims to hail from the planet Zambodia, stood behind his attorneys, Leslie Ballin and Mike Pleasants, and did not respond for several minutes after the board first addressed him, eventually blaming his delayed response on having to "contact my spiritual beings." When asked, Robert "Prince Mongo" Hodges insisted for the record that his name was simply "Prince Mongo" and denied that he operated a dance club, preferring to describe his guests movements as "exercising." (The Castle does not possess the requisite dance permit.) "We do not allow anyone to dance," said Mongo, who claimed that a sign near the DJ Booth says, "Atonement Only -- No Dancing." "They can do exercises, but we do not call it dancing."

Prince Mongo has long claimed that the various bars and clubs he has operated have been religious centers of atonement, rather than night spots. "When they [patrons] cleanse their bodies and souls to rid themselves of demons they do exercises to release the demons," said Mongo. "Sometimes we have music, sometimes we don't." At that point, Prince Mongo himself began to dance an improvised jig in front of the Alcohol Board.

After several more questions from the board about the nature of Mongo's religious activities, the Prince continued to dance and began barking and howling, loud enough for the staccato yelps to echo off the chamber walls. An unidentified board member interrupted Mongo's outburst to ask, "Are we to understand that what is recognized as a dance floor downstairs is actually a tabernacle?" To which Mongo simply responded, "Amen."

Moments later Prince Mongo excused himself from the hearing and left the room, dancing down the aisles, inviting gallery members to his "church," and greeting various spectators with, "Hi, Spirit." After Prince Mongo's departure, the board heard testimony from a young man who claims his girlfriend passed out and stopped breathing after ingesting a drink that had been spiked with GHB (gammahydroxybutyrate), which is often used as a date rape drug. The young man testified that several times he and his friends asked security guards at The Castle to call an ambulance and that the guards refused to do so for 30 minutes, with one guard eventually complying.

After hearing this testimony, the board decided that it had enough information to render a decision and all but one member voted to revoke The Castle's beer license. Ballin and Pleasants say that they will appeal the decision to the Circuit Court. However, there is no need to do so immediately because Judge Craft's injunction prohibits Mongo from having any alcohol on the premises until after the nuisance hearing. In the meantime, neighbors of The Castle say that they enjoyed last weekend, the first quiet weekend they say they've had in two years, and plan to enjoy the solitude for the rest of the month.

http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/06/02/1fll/partii.html

[ygmir]

One point of view; http://www.rense.com/general83/oent.htm

Wow!
This reads like one of those overly complex scifi trilogies.
And he apparently manages to use Lie Factory and DC Zionist Criminal Cabal in the same sentence without giggling.
So is McCain a Neocon?

McCain was supposed to select either Gov. Mitt Romney or Rep. Eric Cantor, pre-approved by AIPAC, the Neocons, Zionist Israel, and the Zionist DC Criminal Cabal. Those options were acceptable to the Christian Zionists and Christian Dominionists. The governor of Minnesota was deemed too liberal. These two were, of course, who the conservative Neocons were pushing, too. Johnny Boy defied them all and selected who he wanted, someone who is from the outside and considers political corruption her sworn enemy.

I think by the fifth chapter we find out that if the Palin can acquire the Tablet of Rhubarb from the Neocons, she will become Queen of the Monkey People and the 30 billion dollar pipeline will go through!

At least, with $30 billion involved, we can be sure no corruption will occur.

hey bucko......
Monkey people humor is not PC..................
now march yourself into the corner and sit there while someone gets Isotopia another drink before your punishment.........