...That Might Kill Us All! CERN Lights Up!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:25 am

live onsite webcam.

if you watch for a while, you can see stuff actually happening.....

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:26 am

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:42 am

That's just mean.

Higgs and Hawking.
You can't take physicists anywhere.
It's like drinking with lager lads.

chiefdanfox · Post by **chiefdanfox** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:01 am

Isotopia wrote: That's nothing.

Steering magnets at some of the larger accelerators generate fields are so strong that if one were standing next to one when fully energized during operations it would strip the iron out of your blood cells.

I asked my buddy at LBL about this, and if he was working on the LHC, here is his response:

"Hey Dan -
I am not actually working on the LHC though about half of my group is
and I get to share in the excitement and enthusiasm and I know a lot
about it. Everyone is pretty stoked, some of them have been worknig on
this project for half of their careers.
Whoever says that you can pull the iron out of your blood has been
watching too many x-men movies. it just doesnt work that way. your
bullshit detector is in fine working shape. Iron bound in Hemoglobin
is not ferromagnetic."

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:27 am

and,
how good do we feel about the ability of a squirrel (except Rocket J.) getting into a top security, end of the world possibility, super secret machine and chewing the "off" wire?.........

You mean like this?

Mr. Squirrel ended up in Squirrel Valhalla when he climbed into a 440 power junction box and decided to munch on a cable leading into one of the system areas.

it just doesnt work that way. your
bullshit detector is in fine working shape. Iron bound in Hemoglobin
is not ferromagnetic."

Dammit. That story has always worked in the past.

Nice snag Dan.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:34 am

YIkes!!!
I'm guessing Boris Baddanov set a trap............

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:43 am

Squirrelcide is very common in Salem..

When one decides to end it all.. He jumps into the transformer yard.. (these are found around most citys) Then just piles on the hi voltage.

THis will knock out blocks of power to homes.. Almost as good as writing a hate note on the way out.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:59 am

I'm told that anything conductive will be affected when crossing the lines of force, such as aluminum.
I wonder if this applies to humans?

We had a raccoon climb into a station here and the arc lit the sky up.
He must have picked just the wrong spot.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:27 am

unjonharley wrote:Squirrelcide is very common in Salem..

When one decides to end it all.. He jumps into the transformer yard.. (these are found around most citys) Then just piles on the hi voltage.

THis will knock out blocks of power to homes.. Almost as good as writing a hate note on the way out.

Technically, that's Squirrel Suicide.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:10 pm

gyre wrote:I hear tattoos with metallic inks have a lively reaction to big magnets.

u heard wrong.. mythbusters got to that one.

it was...

BUSTED!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:06 pm

Do you really think so?
Where did they get a magnet that big?

I often see extremely faulty methodology on that show.
Once they proved something was true and then said it was a myth!!!

What did they do?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:31 am

gyre wrote:Do you really think so?
Where did they get a magnet that big?

Electromagnetic.

That is what we are talking about right?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:34 am

Yes.
I was thinking mri.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:38 am

gyre wrote:Yes.
I was thinking mri.

Phillips and G.E. is where the research is.

or just ask Badger.

Wait.......we did that already.......right?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:41 am

Are they doing bad tattoo research?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:43 am

Ask the Badger/Iso.......mer or whatever.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:54 am

Maybe that's above the Badgers head.

what do I know?

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:55 am

I don't think they are supposed to expose people to those experimental back to the future magnets in labs.
But if anyone has any ideas?

I don't think modern inks are supposed to have metals, but it may come up with more primitive techniques.
I would think an mri is as strong a field as anyone is supposed to be exposed to.

They are especially effective at detecting claustrophobia.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:58 am

gyre wrote:I don't think they are supposed to expose people to those experimental back to the future magnets in labs.
But if anyone has any ideas?

Who knows or who cares.

If anyone is gonna do it they are gonna do it, right or stupid.

Who cares? Someone is gonna do it anyway.

Lets ask the Badger.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:03 am

Isotopia wrote: Safeguards at accelerator facilities are among the most rigorous and complex in the world with multiple backup and safeguards.

My clock has started to slow down to almost an hour behind where time used to be!

DVD Burner wrote:Boffinry bitchslap brouhaha: Higgs and Hawking head to head
Download free whitepaper

Hawking is well known to have bet $100 that Higgs' boson brainchild, the so-called "god particle", doesn't exist.

Screw the "god particle" How do I get the "free whitepaper"

Marscrumbs · Post by **Marscrumbs** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:47 am

Who knows, when the whip that accelerator up to full power it may wake God! Of course he will then swallow us up in one big yawn but I think if you have to go out that would be the way to do it.

I like the time line reversal split thing too. See yourselves coming and going.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:57 pm

gyre wrote:Do you really think so?
Where did they get a magnet that big?

I often see extremely faulty methodology on that show.
Once they proved something was true and then said it was a myth!!!

What did they do?

MRI.. not sure if they did anything else aside from the MRI and doctor/lab tech interview before subjecting their tatoo'd worker to the risk of death.

I have noticed one or two things not tested the way I would have. Like exploding cars.. the one time I got to see it I didn't recall seein tracers used. I always had thought that a tracer was a sure way to make a gas tank go boom. I haven't come across the episode since to pay closer attention. Either way I'm sure some experimentation could yield a round to do the deed. It was their movie myth episode I believe.

Anyway I digress..

Tats are safe in MRIs as the inks dont have metal and the old ink is not sufficient in metal to be a worry.

Implants on the other hand.......

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:00 pm

I think the issue only relates to non-standard tattoos done with ferrous material, such as prison or overseas ink.
I don't know what occurs in those cases.

Mythbusters setups are often very flawed, failing to even address the right question.
I have seen few of them.
I didn't see the one about fuel tanks.
It is hard to make an auto gas tank explode or even catch fire, though a leak is likely to cause a secondary fire with a car with cats.

At one defensive driving class they routinely fire a shot into the car to show that one need not panic with shots fired.
Once they did it at the end of class and the car exploded.
I don't know if they changed the practice after that, but they had done it for years without a fire.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:37 am

here is a Burners theory on the subject.
Just an excerpt:

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy, of Oxford University and author of Finding Moonshine, told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:08 am

End of the World as we knew it delayed for two months:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/scien ... oref=login

I might just win the lottery before it starts up again. Notice my watch is correcting itself as I type this letter

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:04 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:End of the World as we knew it delayed for two months:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/scien ... oref=login

Oh yeah that accelerator seems pretty darn safe to me.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:05 am

DVD Burner wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:End of the World as we knew it delayed for two months:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/scien ... oref=login

Oh yeah that accelerator seems pretty darn safe to me.

Let the Eplayans tinker with it.. We can get it running.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:47 am

It started out sounding like the Death Star, and now it's like the Millenium Falcon struggling to get off the ground.
Pathetic earthlings!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:49 am

Referring to a black hole being created and destroying the earth, Dr. Tara Shears referred to it as the possibility of something untoward happening.

I vote best euphemism ever!

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:36 am

gyre wrote:Referring to a black hole being created and destroying the earth, Dr. Tara Shears referred to it as the possibility of something untoward happening.

I vote best euphemism ever!

Oh great! I've already bought my tix for 09. I hope they hold off on any blackholes, wormholes, or breeches in the space/time continuum until after the burn

...That Might Kill Us All! CERN Lights Up!

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