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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:39 am

Simon of the Playa wrote: yes, thats right sports fan, we are dealing with an idiot of the highest caliber, a RELIGIOUS BELIEVER.

if we can actually elect a Vice President who does not believe in SCIENCE, then we get what we fucking deserve...

maybe we can blame it on satan.
So what's the big deal we already have a sitting pres that believes in these things!

Morons! don't they know the bones are from failed attempts of Satan to make his own worshippers, a race of man, formed from the dirt and muck of Hell!

Out of all the qualified Republican women serving in government and they pick someone with her novice experience, but then again we had bush II.

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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:07 pm

Is there any serious journalist out there willing to show some balls, besides Comedy Central, (joke, folks or not) and ask the wolf killer, Katha Pollitt's questions? Fair enough?


OOOOOOO...questions....scary things...ooooooooooooooooooo..........
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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:22 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote: yes, thats right sports fan, we are dealing with an idiot of the highest caliber, a RELIGIOUS BELIEVER.

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So what's the big deal we already have a sitting pres that believes in these things!
as have all the other pres's in US history CLAIMED (that I know of.) OTOH, some if not most of them probably only were telling a "nobel lie" not really believing that BS. The fact that Palin can convince others that she actually believes the lie makes her a very powerfull weapon.

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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:27 pm

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wonderphil wrote: IMHO comrade you should chiill for awhile.
Phil, why are you calling everyone "comrade"?
You are sounding more and more like Rush Limbaugh, which you probably consider a compliment.
"Wonder" my ass.
I thought that when you were in a group of commie, pinko fags, :lol: thats what you called each other, maybe I was wrong.

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Post by World Power Foundation » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:28 pm

Don't let them get you down, Phillip.
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Thousands of people are being sacrificed every day. Why not have them sacrificed for you?

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Post by Eric » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:49 pm

wonderphil wrote:I thought that when you were in a group of commie, pinko fags, :lol: thats what you called each other, maybe I was wrong.
Phil has shown he has nothing to say: *plonk*
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Post by diane o'thirst » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:32 pm

mdmf007 wrote:In Alaska - Sarah can do no wrong, she is an incredible speaker, and has no problem speaking her mind. As far as brevity, and smarts goes she is top notch.

My problem is thus, she has even less experience than Obama. difference is that she will more than likely be taking over as president from McCain. I dont think McCain will survive 2 terms let alone one. This puts Palin front and center.
I seriously think she can do wrong.
In her town of Wasilla, among other grievances already spelled out here, she required rape victims to pay for their own medical exam kits because she believed that the exams constituted murder (by preventing conception and pregnancy). Same as she'd ban birth control, even for married couples.

This attitude that rape is a legitimate form of conception with McCain's attitude of "you can't rape the willing, so just lay back and enjoy it" (however vicious it gets), is an extremely dangerous precedent. Furthermore, she is against abortion even in the case of incest.

On this day where the market is crashing because of our borrowing for the Iraq War, I would think that people would support getting the HELL out of Iraq, but no. McCain <i>wants</i> 100 years of war in the Middle East...and Palin wants to take Russia on again, less than a generation after the end of the Cold War. Where will we get that many warm bodies? Why, by officially decriminalizing (or at least turning a blind eye to) rape and criminalizing birth control and abortion, silly. Kind of like Ceaucescu requiring all Romanian women to have five "duty" children each to work the factories and fight in his wars-of-choice.

Sarah Palin is a racist, self-serving theocrat who desires the Presidency so she can wage a Christian holy war on the Middle East. She has contempt for her constituents, to the point where she won't even involve them in her executive decisions as governor. She huddles with her husband when deciding which bills to veto. Where I come from, that's called "Nepotistic tyranny." More than racist, she's a hypocrite; her husband is half Inuit and she still disses them every chance she gets. You really want another nepotistic theocrat with racist tendencies and an all-consuming desire to re-launch the Crusades anywhere near the White House?

We fought against Romeo, the serial rapist that was operating at the festival earlier this decade. We all fought hard to shut down the proposed nuclear waste dump at Yucca Mountain. It sounds fun to breed up an army of inbred, nasty-tempered soldiers for a nuclear WWIII scenario, but that's exactly it: it <i>sounds</i> fun. The stuff of death metal album covers, lurid Mature comic books and video games, maybe a snarky fantasy-meme for some more-outré theme camp activities. Fine, that'll make a great movie or video game. We don't want it in real life. I didn't survive cancer to be melted down for parts in the shadow of a mushroom cloud.
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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:30 pm

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On this day where the market is crashing because of our borrowing for the Iraq War,
Worldwide stock markets have been declining since about Oct 2007 for several reasons. One reason for that is that it was feared by some that pinko, black power nationalist, Obama might actually win against Hillary and therefore have a chance of winning against whoever the Reps nominated. Another reason for the prolonged crash is that the democrats in a effort to regain the white house (appoint activist judges) and extend their lead in congress, have been telling everyone how shitty everything is with everything they can think of. It worked, things are going from bad to worse, getting shitty now.

Billions if not trillions of dollars of equity value has been wiped out. Hopefully tomorrow morning we will reach capitulation that is where the remaining greedy ho's puke up (sell) their remaining shares into a market where there are no buyers.
Get out now ho's, the ho house is on fire.

After that, then the smart money professionals will start buying, the market will turn and many of us will be happy forever after (until the cycle happens again).

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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:53 pm

...eh..that's right..blame Obama for the ultra-greed of the hedge fund bastardos and their brothers and sisters in the sub prime lending racket:

sounds like someone here has consumed a lot of bill, sean, anne, michael, rush...oh fer christ sake please get your ass to
http://texas-review.blogspot.com for 12 gauge literary commentary on the vacuous bunch from right wing talk. Damn..where do these fucking people come from?

oh, right, here former John Bircher, Webster Tarpley, in a moment of lucidity from Sept 19th 2007 on the "looming" US banking crisis.....

http://www.brightpathvideo.com/MP3/Tarp ... anking.mp3
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Post by Elderberry » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:45 pm

Eric wrote: Phil has shown he has nothing to say: *plonk*
I think we could be friends Eric.

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Post by ygmir » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:01 pm

cowboyangel wrote:...eh..that's right..blame Obama for the ultra-greed of the hedge fund bastardos and their brothers and sisters in the sub prime lending racket:

sounds like someone here has consumed a lot of bill, sean, anne, michael, rush...oh fer christ sake please get your ass to
http://texas-review.blogspot.com for 12 gauge literary commentary on the vacuous bunch from right wing talk. Damn..where do these fucking people come from?

oh, right, here former John Bircher, Webster Tarpley, in a moment of lucidity from Sept 19th 2007 on the "looming" US banking crisis.....

http://www.brightpathvideo.com/MP3/Tarp ... anking.mp3


You sound kind of like the kid standing in the pool laughing at all the wet people around him................

Pot, Kettle, black? who's calling whom, what?

If so many folks would look clearly at both candidates, they'd see they are arguing the similar points, just painting with their own brush........

trying to convince anyone the their candidate is "pure and honest" while the other is the devil incarnate........

And,
does anyone here think they are going to change someones mind?

seems silly.

It's fun as far as academic discussion, and, seeing who can use the most derogatory terms to describe someone else.........

I do note the Obama supporters seem to use more personal, degrading terms.........and off base.
You may disagree with someone, but, it doesn't make them stupid, immoral, stinky, skanky, etc.........
hahahahaha, you crack me up.
I can see doing that to just piss off your "opponent", to get them off track...........

You can call Palin or McCain all sorts of names, make degrading comparisons, etc. But, you go ballistic if someone posts a picture of Obama and a cute baby chimp.........ears and all........

hahahahahaa

really: WTF?
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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:21 pm

jkisha wrote:
Eric wrote: Phil has shown he has nothing to say: *plonk*
I think we could be friends Eric.

JK
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John, this is a serious thread not a dating thread.

and zzzzzzzzzz I am still waiting to hear if you are over left wing racists too.
I am going to wake up soon and I certainly hope to to have you confirm that you are against left wing racists too and that you are not just another sorry misogynist worm , and or a white guilt, sheep, liberal worm.

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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:13 pm

cowboyangel wrote:...eh..that's right..blame Obama for the ultra-greed of the hedge fund bastardos and their brothers and sisters in the sub prime lending racket:
Ok Cowboy you caught me, I may have forgot to mention the complicity of various self interests by name (however they are the all encompassing greedy ho's in my prior post). I also did not mention that a big reason for the sub prime racket was caused by the DUMB DUMB Fuckin DUMB Dumocrats In an effort to encourage home ownership by certain in their idea "underprivileged" people who could not afford the homes in the first place. Now these same do gooder, no brain DUMBocrat clowns have the balls to blame others for the problem they created.

The dumbocrats pushed Fanny and Freddy and other lenders to lower their lending standards. We now see the result of that liberal policy is a total fubar mess. Now the Freddy and Fanny GSE's have been taken over by the US government. Lending to people who could not afford the house was not the only problem and may not even have been the main problem (I do not know, there are several other factors, the OBAMANATION and whining Dumocrat factors plus others ). For the most part, I agree with you when you complained about the " ultra-greed of the hedge fund bastardos and their brothers and sisters in the sub prime lending racket" Undoubtedly some people made money but on balance most people in the industry have lost their ass.


Thanks for the links but one of them had no content except for shooting books. Apparently you like that as you gave the link. I do not see how that is any different from burning books, please explain

and btw, I have not read any of the books that guy was shooting, they must be good as you have no real rebutal to them. I also do not listen to any of those peopel on a regular basis ( I have heard them all and know what they are about).

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Post by wonderphil » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:40 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:[She's in way over her head.
I have no doubt that Obama is in way over her head see below. It might be a start for you to read a difference of opinion. Notice that unlike your rag, my post has been verified by an independent source

I suggest that all ostriches get their head out of the sand , their ass whatever hidey hole they use to hide from the truth.

According to Snopes.com, Princeton was requested to put a 'restriction' on distribution
of any copies of the thesis of Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson) saying
it could not be made available until November 5, 2008 but when it was published on a
political website they decided they would lift the restriction.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/thesis.asp
Subj: Thesis - Michele Obama aka Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
OBAMA'S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED

In her senior thesis at Princeton , Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama
stated that America was a nation founded on 'crime and hatred'.
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were 'ineradicably racist'. The
1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community' was
written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.
Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it often
seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However, it was reported
by a fellow black classmate, 'If those 'Whites at Princeton ' really saw Michelle
as one who always would 'be Black first,' it seems that she gave them that
impression'.
Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms 'separationist' and
'integrationist' when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a 'separationist' view of race.
'By actual ly working with the Black lower class or within their communities as
a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation
of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an
integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.'
Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to
her 'further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure
that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full
participant.'
Mi chele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.
Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but
she elevates black over white in her world.


Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:
'There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black
community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize
all of my present and future resources to benefit the black
community first and foremost.'
What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's first
lady that will elevate black over white in America ?
The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action
policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.
'Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically
designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of
their enrollments.'

The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.
Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black students
at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than
celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common
American culture more than they value the color of their skin. 'I hoped that
these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of
identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational
path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a
certain l evel of identification with the black community. However, these
findings do not support this possibility.'
Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?
Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see
Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted
with one another.
The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and
world view seen through a race-based prism. This is a very
divisive v iew for a potential first lady that would do untold
damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama
administration.

Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should give all
Americans pause for deep concern.
Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously
racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will.
PS: We paid for her scholarship.


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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:33 am

why dont you just call them Uppity Niggers and get it over with, phil.

republican boot-licking lackey that you are.
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Post by lurker » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:49 am

I like these questions--
§ Suppose your 14-year-old daughter Willow is brutally raped in her bedroom by an intruder. She becomes pregnant and wants an abortion. Could you tell the parents of America why you think your child and their children should be forced by law to have their rapists' babies?
Never understood anti-abortion folks stance on this. It's creepy and disgusting.
§ You say you don't believe global warming is man-made. Could you tell us what scientists you've spoken with or read who have led you to that conclusion? What do you think the 2,500 scientists of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are getting wrong?
This is a debate--however you feel on this issue you can find someone to disagree with--and even if they bring endless sources to bear each side will discount the 'proof' of the other side.
§ If you didn't try to fire Wasilla librarian Mary Ellen Baker over her refusal to consider censoring books, why did you try to fire her?
Because Wasilla's not big enough for two slutty librarians.
§ What is the European Union, and how does it function?
An attempt to create a USA/USSR style superstate where none existed previously, out of a collection of nations famous for periodically trying to annex/conquer/annihilate each other. Poorly.
§ Forty-seven million Americans lack health insurance. John Goodman, who has advised McCain on healthcare, has proposed redefining them as covered because, he says, anyone can get care at an ER. Do you agree with him?
No. We should, however, make it clear that lack of coverage does not mean the same thing as lack of access to cutting edge medical care. Two different things. We need to make medical care CHEAPER, not more expensive. Insurance(all types) makes healthcare more expensive.
§ What is the function of the Federal Reserve?
It has a function? Who knew?
§ Cindy and John McCain say you have experience in foreign affairs because Alaska is next to Russia. When did you last speak with Prime Minister Putin, and what did you talk about?
Does anyone really care what Cindy McCain says?
§ Approximately how old is the earth? Five thousand years? 10,000? 5 billion?
Old enough to qualify for Social Security, buddy. So what's holding up them payments? It's probably Satan--he's using them to buy dinosaur skeletons from Museum Replicas so he can bury them all over the place.
§ You are a big fan of President Bush, so why didn't you mention him even once in your convention speech?
This is a Brazilian campaign. No bush, not even one of them there 'landing strips'.
§ McCain says cutting earmarks and waste will make up for revenues lost by making the tax cuts permanent. Experts say that won't wash. Balancing the Bush tax cuts plus new ones proposed by McCain would most likely mean cutting Medicare, Medicaid or Social Security. Which would you cut?
SS should be means tested--as should Medicare. That would help. And what experts? I can find 'experts that'll say pretty much anything I want--AND offer happy release, if I pay enough.
§ You're suing the federal government to have polar bears removed from the endangered species list, even as Alaska's northern coastal ice is melting and falling into the sea. Can you explain the science behind your decision?
Well, first off, they're listed as 'threatened', right now, not 'endangered', and the probable reasoning is that they're not either. In the documentation backing the decision to make them threatened, it's pointed out, by supporters of making polar bears a 'threatened species', that the threat is in the future--the current polar bear population is healthy enough to allow 'harvesting'. So that might be why.

Or, it could be that, living in Alaska and all, she knows that polar bears are one of the few species that will actively hunt humans.
§ You've suggested that God approves of the Iraq War and the Alaska pipeline. How do you know?
Because he said.

Though, I think if you look at the whole speech that that particular quote is taken from, you might see that it says something different.

I give myself a 'so-so' on my answers. Some were kinda humorous, while others dipped into being actual answers. In the end, the reader is left wondering what I was thinking, or even, if I was thinking at all.
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Post by cowboyangel » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:51 am

ya, rabid democrats infect wall street the lending market and US financial institutions with the goal of putting everybody in a home of their own....

looney? I hear the sound of right wing clapping.....
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Post by Elderberry » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:01 am

wonderphil wrote:
jkisha wrote:
Eric wrote: Phil has shown he has nothing to say: *plonk*
I think we could be friends Eric.

JK
:shock:

John, this is a serious thread not a dating thread.

and zzzzzzzzzz I am still waiting to hear if you are over left wing racists too.
I am going to wake up soon and I certainly hope to to have you confirm that you are against left wing racists too and that you are not just another sorry misogynist worm , and or a white guilt, sheep, liberal worm.
Hey, you can never tell how or where you might meet 'the right guy' and besides, I already have a wonderful partner.

But back on topic, I have learned long ago to not get into political discussions with anyone that starts repeating verbatim their candidates talking points almost word for word. So I'll just continue to enjoy other's futile attempts in this thread and occasionally post a snide remark or two.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:27 am

The new polls are showing that mccain & palin are dropping and dropping fast

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Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:30 am

cowboyangel wrote:ya, rabid democrats infect wall street the lending market and US financial institutions with the goal of putting everybody in a home of their own....

looney? I hear the sound of right wing clapping.....


that is a very telling statement........

wanting to "give" everyone something, in the form of government handout.
Not allow people to buy it if they can earn enough.
and getting out of their way to allow them to do so.........

Basically, looking to government to fulfill all wants and needs.........
dare I say socialist? Communist?

That is one way of looking at things, and, it works for some. It seems it's never worked over time with a large diverse population, though....
And, without totalitarian control.

Of course, I see both parties anymore wanting to dole out government subsidies to feather their own "power" nest........It's just who do they give it to.........

It's been said that if you took all the wealth in the nation, and, gave the upper half's money to the lower half, in short order, it'd be right back where it started.........I tend to agree, mostly.
Sure, a few are on the bottom due to plain "bad luck", and, might do well, but, I think the statement is basically correct.....

Humans stratify according to circumstance, motivation, and ability. There's no getting around that.........
and,
no amount of "trickle up" economics will change that.
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Post by gyre » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:25 am

Simply not true.

And we live in a socialist country.
Most of the socialism is corporate welfare.
Almost everyone's standard of living would rise if so much wasn't siphoned off from the country's resources into a few private pockets.
This is an extremely wealthy country and yet I have watched our standard of living drop my whole life.

And homes are one of the most overpriced necessities and not for any good reason.
Change is mostly blocked for reasons of profit in the building and banking industry.
The other issue is resistance to unconventional building styles.
Most of this is government inertia and unconstitutional.
Some is in the lending industry, which stands to lose billions in the currently rigged game of loans.
And some is resistance by buyers to act in their own self interest.

Most people can afford homes if not subjected to usury because they are not wealthy enough.
I remember when I bought my first house and my credit went to zero because I had moved.
MOVED!!! Into a house I bought.
It is a completely crooked game.
The poor lose if they play.


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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:31 am

wonderphil wrote:Michelle Obama (a/k/a/ Michelle laVaughn Robinson)
Oh NO! She has an "a/k/a"!!! I'm scared!

Or I would be if she was running for office.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:33 am

gyre wrote: And we live in a socialist country.
Most of the socialism is corporate welfare.
Almost everyone's standard of living would rise if so much wasn't siphoned off from the country's resources into a few private pockets.
This is an extremely wealthy country and yet I have watched our standard of living drop my whole life.
It's really the place to be if you're a billionaire CEO. :) Comrade. ;)

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Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:48 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
gyre wrote: And we live in a socialist country.
Most of the socialism is corporate welfare.
Almost everyone's standard of living would rise if so much wasn't siphoned off from the country's resources into a few private pockets.
This is an extremely wealthy country and yet I have watched our standard of living drop my whole life.
It's really the place to be if you're a billionaire CEO. :) Comrade. ;)
Is there a better place to be poor?
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Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:56 am

gyre wrote:Simply not true.

And we live in a socialist country.
Most of the socialism is corporate welfare.
Almost everyone's standard of living would rise if so much wasn't siphoned off from the country's resources into a few private pockets.
This is an extremely wealthy country and yet I have watched our standard of living drop my whole life.

And homes are one of the most overpriced necessities and not for any good reason.
Change is mostly blocked for reasons of profit in the building and banking industry.
The other issue is resistance to unconventional building styles.
Most of this is government inertia and unconstitutional.
Some is in the lending industry, which stands to lose billions in the currently rigged game of loans.
And some is resistance by buyers to act in their own self interest.

Most people can afford homes if not subjected to usury because they are not wealthy enough.
I remember when I bought my first house and my credit went to zero because I had moved.
MOVED!!! Into a house I bought.
It is a completely crooked game.
The poor lose if they play.


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A few examples of what is possible beyond what we all see at burning man.
http://www.designmobile.com/
http://www.designmobile.com/venice.html
http://www.designmobile.com/seatrain.html
http://www.architectureweek.com/2007/01 ... g_1-1.html
http://www.architectureweek.com/cgi-bin ... o%2C_Japan
http://www.architectureweek.com/2003/01 ... n_1-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lustron
http://www.lustronconnection.org/
http://www.oldhouseweb.com/architecture ... rt-1.shtml
I agree with you.
The only part I might not agree with is interest on loans........
Why should someone not pay interest, if, I loan them money?
Or, build their own house themselves, as they can afford it? It might take some time, though....
for my first house, ;;;;. I bought a book, and, a bunch of lumber, I had tools, so, started building. I bought stuff as I could afford it, and, finished in a couple of years.......and made mistakes, and, lived with no carpet or paint on some areas....

Part of the loan/interest crisis is, IMHO, due to the "instant gratification" thing........so many folks get out of college, and, want to buy a house immediately..........along with car, tv's, toys, etc, etc......
What happened to saving and buying something when you have the money?
I think that drove a lot of the problems we see now......

I'm against corporate welfare, etc........too.

I think we agree on a lot, for me, though, I think the blame is equal across party lines, and, I call them all asshats............they've all had the "power" at times over the years and still not fixed anything.........
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Post by gyre » Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:42 am

I don't think I brought up interest vs no interest, though a case can be made.
It's the same as insurance.
There are a lot of skewed justifications, but it is mostly lies.

We had several big companies here go into the poor housing market many years ago.
They could not get banks to work with them so they carried the loans themselves.
They built small basic houses in cheaper undeveloped areas.
Many of these are rundown now and have always been regarded as slums.
But in fact the default rate they had was the lowest in town.
With home ownership, those areas where houses have not been turned to rental, still are relatively crime free as the rest of the city turns to shit.
When you go in these plain houses, most of them are beautiful, because with fair terms, people could afford to take care of them and even fix them up.

Just like Fred Smith and Walton w/walmart, the bankers said you can't make money doing this.
The companies that did this got very, very rich.
Not a quick buck, but still very profitable.


It is true that in the fairly recent past, people just went and built when they needed housing.
The same laws that discourage unconventional housing actually make this impossible in some places and hard everywhere.

Unless I move into the center of a city, my next house will be placed in a county where I can do what I want.
I hear Montana works that way.
If people realized how much they overpay for housing, they would shit.

Fuller told me that if you want cost effective, go for what is common commercial practice, still steel buildings most places.
Still what ever works.
I will incorporate my trailers if I am allowed.
Riveted, welded and bolted, for about 10% of conventional construction per foot.

I tried to get a Lustron house and only the cost of asbestos removal (under their building code) kept me from doing it.
There is one near me.
Still looks new.

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Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:15 pm

there are products you can impregnate the asbestos with to solidify and therefore neutralize potential dust hazards with.........Might be worth looking into.
I know if you can seal it away, the asbestos issue is negated........

good luck
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Post by gyre » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:25 pm

I know way too much about asbestos.
Had a girlfriend who is an expert in toxic waste.

In this case though, all solid material.
Virtually no risk.
Problem was federal regulations requiring me to pay a fortune to have someone unscrew the panels.
Very different from the normal hazard in old houses.
I would have actually done these myself.
Porcelain house and panels that unscrew.
Couldn't be easier.

Bunny suit and a proper rated vac.

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Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:26 pm

dang.........
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