What's a Palin

[ygmir]

someone call Jimmy Swaggart, hurry...........

[Ugly Dougly]

I don't know that "we" all hate insiders or "outsiders".
That's probably something you get from the press or from some loudmouths.
You really have to make up your own mind as to what's important.

[littleflower]

If people want to believe in fairy tales, more power too them. Trust me, I am missing nothing when it comes to religion.

I can't wait for Bill Mahr's new movie to come out next month!

i know a lot of devout christians.

none of them believe the adam and eve myth. none believe in a boogieman in the sky. and your little story about apollo is totally irrelevant. we aren't even discussing the same thing.

i can trust that you know what you want to know about religion. but missing nothing? i wonder if you would put any effort at all into understanding the vast amount of intellectual religious thought, ancient or current. it's a lot more fun to watch anti-religion documentaries and laugh at the uneducated masses and pat yourself on the back because you are so brilliant, isn't it?

but faced with a massively educated philosopher theologian professorial type throwing questions at you...?

[Elderberry]

but faced with a massively educated philosopher theologian professorial type throwing questions at you...?

Trust me my naive littleflower, been there, done that, over it.

Now I am free to enjoy the lighter side.

JK

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Mortars and bazookas, etc, are "destructive devices" IIRC, not classified as assault weapons........
the term "assault weapon" is very wide ranging...............to wide for me.
I'd only say it'd apply to full-auto fire capability.........

Not to pick on you ygmir ,but where in the 2nd amendment does it say, "Guns"?

It only sez, "The right to bear arms" there is nothing in it about "Guns"

And I know you don't endorse full automatic weapons. So why stop there which is why i commented on the Bazookaas and stuff.

Tactical first strike weapons is what we citizens should have!

Obama has taught over 14 years of harvard constitutional and political law. He knows damn well that if blacks had guns, then maybe the "Jim Crow" era wouldn't have happened, but blacks weren't allowed to own guns. Oh i'm sorry. Blacks in the south could have been able to carry and own guns if they could pass the Permitting Process of passing a test. Only if they were allowed to learn how to write and read. In some places, that didn't matter. The racist found ways circumvent the constitution.

Hey here is Huey, Obama's friend! What does Huey say about gun ownership and Obama!



The reaction to Black Panthers carrying guns openly around Oakland is what started modern gun control in California. Before 1967 you could carry any gun openly or concealed if no round was in the chamber, without permit. Seeing the Panthers with their shotguns made a lot of white people VERY nervous and the Mulford Act passed the CA legislature that year.

It was signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan

The great communicator was a gun control activist! What do you Anti-Gun Control Republicans think of RayGun Now!


AIIZ

[littleflower]

but faced with a massively educated philosopher theologian professorial type throwing questions at you...?

Trust me my naive littleflower, been there, done that, over it.

Now I am free to enjoy the lighter side.

JK

naive, no, i think not. perpetually confused, perhaps.

i do not doubt that you have been there and done that. i figured as much when i wrote my last post.

and i am happy for you, having so contentedly reached such an enlightened state! i like happy people.

however ... the professorial type i know would never, ever suggest that he knows so much about anything. and that alone is enough for me to doubt your wisdom. there is simply too much to know when you are dealing with a subject like religion. a little humility wouldn't hurt, you know.

[ygmir]

Mortars and bazookas, etc, are "destructive devices" IIRC, not classified as assault weapons........
the term "assault weapon" is very wide ranging...............to wide for me.
I'd only say it'd apply to full-auto fire capability.........

Not to pick on you ygmir ,but where in the 2nd amendment does it say, "Guns"?

It only sez, "The right to bear arms" there is nothing in it about "Guns"

And I know you don't endorse full automatic weapons. So why stop there which is why i commented on the Bazookas and stuff.

Tactical first strike weapons is what we citizens should have!

Obama has taught over 14 years of harvard constitutional and political law. He knows damn well that if blacks had guns, then maybe the "Jim Crow" era wouldn't have happened, but blacks weren't allowed to own guns. Oh i'm sorry. Blacks in the south could have been able to carry and own guns if they could pass the Permitting Process of passing a test. Only if they were allowed to learn how to write and read. In some places, that didn't matter. The racist found ways circumvent the constitution.

Hey here is Huey, Obama's friend! What does Huey say about gun ownership and Obama!



The reaction to Black Panthers carrying guns openly around Oakland is what started modern gun control in California. Before 1967 you could carry any gun openly or concealed if no round was in the chamber, without permit. Seeing the Panthers with their shotguns made a lot of white people VERY nervous and the Mulford Act passed the CA legislature that year.

It was signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan

The great communicator was a gun control activist! What do you Anti-Gun Control Republicans think of RayGun Now!


AIIZ

I'd not take it as "picking on me", but, thanks.........

Arms is, as you suggest, a vague description of weaponry.
And, your points valid, and well thought out, IMHO.

I'd be fairly sure the writers meant "guns", but, would accept that they meant "arms" as such, since, the idea was protection of ones self and nation, and the freedoms given in the constitution. And, to ward off a tyrannical government from forcing it's will on "the people".
(HHHHMMMMMMM........pause for thought.......)

Of course, at the time, "arms" would entail perhaps guns, and cannons at most.....

Certainly, we've come up with many more means of destruction since then........

And,
for me,
therein lies the "rub"...........

Who draws the line where certain weapons are "ok" for an individual, or non governmental agency, to own?
I have no clear answer, only my "gut" feelings.........

I'd not be comfortable with the "Black Panthers" or "KKK" owning bazookas and tanks, rpg's, etc.........

But, I'd not have much trouble with my neighbors (where I live now anyway) having them..........

So,
I might lean to the widest definition as far as federal law goes, and, allow it, under the 10th amendment, to be further narrowed by states individually.........

AZ:
your point is quite thought provoking, for me anyway, thanks.........

it's quite the dilemma, in my mind, as to how to decide what is and is not ok, weapon wise, for people to own..........

It's interesting to see how some other nations approach this:

In the Czech republic, when I was visiting, you could buy any handgun, of any sort, you wanted over the counter, but, rifles were strictly regulated.
It was explained to me that rifles are the stuff of political assassinations, not handguns, and, that was the reason........

In some of Europe, you can own a tank, artillery piece, or warplane, but, not a hand held firearm...............
I think they said most can't afford to buy and operate the larger pieces, so, no threat.

I'm sure there are other examples..........

Seems it might be better regulating the people who can own anything, as opposed to the weapon itself...........criminal records, insanity, whatever? I dunno.........

Of course, the argument that (I paraphrase),"the price of freedom is danger" can be applied here, somewhat, as well.

I guess if you could somehow magically take all weapons away from everyone, it would make things "safer"........

But, until that happens, I'd like the ability to defend my family and country, however far fetched that notion may seem to others..........

[gyre]

Blacks in the south couldn't own guns?
That's news.

I guess all hunting was done with bows and arrows.


Where did anyone get the idea that gangsters can't get heavy arms just like anyone else?
They just aren't so subtle and the more sophisticated the weapon, the more support network is needed.

The automatic weapons thing is just silly.
How many minutes of automatic fire do you think one person can carry?

[lurker]

The founders means 'arms' as in weapons--they put no limit on it--likely because they could understand that ingenuity might one day make the 'gun' obsolete.

They also put no limit on WHAT you could own. From the smallest to the biggest.

I've got no problem with anyone having whatever weapon they want--so long as the same right applies to me.

At the time it was written, the people could be expected to be as well armed as the government. And we've let them take that away from us.

[ygmir]

The founders means 'arms' as in weapons--they put no limit on it--likely because they could understand that ingenuity might one day make the 'gun' obsolete.

They also put no limit on WHAT you could own. From the smallest to the biggest.

I've got no problem with anyone having whatever weapon they want--so long as the same right applies to me.

At the time it was written, the people could be expected to be as well armed as the government. And we've let them take that away from us.

I think they even anticipated the government having better stuff:
Probably at least part of the reason it's illegal (as if that matters to government now) to use the military for civil issues......without declaring marshal law.........

[Ugly Dougly]

History - even back then - showed that a populace armed even with "obsolete" weapons, could, through numbers and determination, present a deterrent to tyranny.

[ygmir]

there's an old axiom regarding totalitarian rule:
IIRC:

2 rules:

one: don't piss off the peasants
two: if you're going to piss them off, disarm them first.

[Ugly Dougly]

there's an old axiom regarding totalitarian rule:
IIRC:

2 rules:

one: don't piss off the peasants
two: if you're going to piss them off, disarm them first.

The peasants I know say: "If they just disarmed you, then expect them to piss you off next."

I think that the Panthers had some Agents Provocateurs among them to take them to a place where they could be used as a pretext for disarmament. Basic MO.

[ygmir]

there's an old axiom regarding totalitarian rule:
IIRC:

2 rules:

one: don't piss off the peasants
two: if you're going to piss them off, disarm them first.

The peasants I know say: "If they just disarmed you, then expect them to piss you off next."

I think that the Panthers had some Agents Provocateurs among them to take them to a place where they could be used as a pretext for disarmament. Basic MO.

and, that would be the axiom from 'our' side.............

I also mostly agree with you in your above statement re the panthers, above.

wow, I keep finding myself in agreement with you. I love that, that, we can agree and disagree, and, you don't come over and whoop me. I'm sensitive and delicate that way.........oh yeah, and frail........

What's next, "dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria"........

[Ugly Dougly]

I am an armed liberal. We get laid alot. You'd like it.

[ygmir]

seems there'd be some connotations drawn from being a liberal, armed, and, getting laid a lot............
I guess it all depends on how you ask?............
haahahaha

[DVD Burner]

Haven't finished reading the entire thread yet but I just found out or heard that Palin comes out of the most radical stream of US Born-Again Evangelism known as ‘Joel’s Army,’ an offshoot of what is called Dominionism and sometimes also called the Latter Rain cult or Manifest Sons of God.

Has anyone posted about this here yet?

[littleflower]

Haven't finished reading the entire thread yet but I just found out or heard that Palin comes out of the most radical stream of US Born-Again Evangelism known as ‘Joel’s Army,’ an offshoot of what is called Dominionism and sometimes also called the Latter Rain cult or Manifest Sons of God.

Has anyone posted about this here yet?

i don't think so. i just read what kos wrote about this a month ago, and this sounds pretty creepy, alright... but he didn't seem to have any direct links that testify to palin's feelings for the radical ideas, so for all we know she goes to that church because she likes the people in the community. sort of like obama and his church, except that i don't see palin actually hanging out with crazy pastors. at least, not so far.

[unjonharley]

Sarha Quayl-Palin did not show up for the spin last night.. There having trouble getting her foot out of her mouth from the last appearance..

[gyre]

Does this means she considers guardian angels a substitute for health care?

It's not the same thing, but I went guardian angling once in seattle.
That's where you fish for thieves with a wallet on a fishing line from the back of a pickup.
It's very disappointing when you have to throw them back, because they're too small.

[ygmir]

Does this means she considers guardian angels a substitute for health care?

It's not the same thing, but I went guardian angling once in seattle.
That's where you fish for thieves with a wallet on a fishing line from the back of a pickup.
It's very disappointing when you have to throw them back, because they're too small.

don't use barbless hooks.......
then, the removal kills them anyway, you might as well take them home to the BBQ............

[Ugly Dougly]

Haven't finished reading the entire thread yet but I just found out or heard that Palin comes out of the most radical stream of US Born-Again Evangelism known as ‘Joel’s Army,’ an offshoot of what is called Dominionism and sometimes also called the Latter Rain cult or Manifest Sons of God.

Has anyone posted about this here yet?

Don't know about which particular log she crawled out from under, but her current church is closely tied to Jews for Jesus, which most real Jews fear and hate with a passion.

[ygmir]

wow,
a religious debate..............

who's church is better? How "in" to said church is someone, what did someone who belongs to the church do or say at any given time, and, how can we pin that on a candidate.....

sounds like both sides have plenty of ammo, and, a lot of fun to be had.........

giggle.............

Who's your " German Shepherd"?.....................

[DVD Burner]

Wait,

I did say Politics and religion is for suckers right?

[ygmir]

DVD:
I'm sensing a pattern here...........

and,
How come (sp?grin) you seem to give everything to the suckers?...........

are you playing favorites?

[DVD Burner]

Because suckers work hard at being suckered.
Suckers deserve everything they get.
When a sucker is suckered they've earned it.
You can't take that away from a sucker.



Oh and speaking of which:



This should be happening sometime soon.

[ygmir]

wow, and poetic...............

still, there's that "suck er" obsession...................

[littleflower]

i heard her church believes in human sacrifice ... they rub olive oil all over the virgins, send them to a tanning and tattoo salon, do their hair and make-up, and feed them to lions. then they burn the bones while chanting anti-democrat slogans and dancing around the fire while using illegal drugs and fucking each other and ... you know.

[cowboyangel]

i heard her church believes in human sacrifice ... they rub olive oil all over the virgins, send them to a tanning and tattoo salon, do their hair and make-up, and feed them to lions. then they burn the bones while chanting anti-democrat slogans and dancing around the fire while using illegal drugs and fucking each other and ... you know.

better than that little deluded one... they blessed the invasion of East Timor...golly, oh bikini flaged one, where did that come from? Golly, try Jeff Sharlet and the "Family" best seller list.....and it even lives close to Russia!!!!! GOD!~!!!!

[Simon of the Playa]

i heard her church believes in human sacrifice ... they rub olive oil all over the virgins, send them to a tanning and tattoo salon, do their hair and make-up, and feed them to lions. then they burn the bones while chanting anti-democrat slogans and dancing around the fire while using illegal drugs and fucking each other and ... you know.
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ummm, that's actually burning man, and as far as i know, Palin has yet to make the pilgramage to black rock...

i'm thinking Flaming Lotus Girls, though, or maybe a dancer in mutaytor, i'm sure we could find a place for a hottie who knows her way around a carbine.