HOW CHICKENSHIT IS JOHN McCAIN?
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I can't believe that he just said "I didn't win Miss Congeniality..." Doesn't that mean that he's opened the door to any beauty queen comments about Palin?
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He's no Maverick. He's branded.
Look he's an ass or look its on his ass!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weeki ... wartz.html
" Sam Maverick’s grandson, Fontaine Maury Maverick, was a two-term congressman and a mayor of San Antonio who lost his mayoral re-election bid when conservatives labeled him a Communist. He served in the Roosevelt administration on the Smaller War Plants Corporation and is best known for another coinage. He came up with the term “gobbledygookâ€
Look he's an ass or look its on his ass!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/weeki ... wartz.html
" Sam Maverick’s grandson, Fontaine Maury Maverick, was a two-term congressman and a mayor of San Antonio who lost his mayoral re-election bid when conservatives labeled him a Communist. He served in the Roosevelt administration on the Smaller War Plants Corporation and is best known for another coinage. He came up with the term “gobbledygookâ€
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Apollonaris Zeus
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McCain supported the Low sub-prime mortgage fiasco deregulation promoted my the Republican Tickets is exactly the same situation as the Loan and Savings fiasco that McCain created in the 70's and 80's.
He is a card carrying member of the Keating Five loan manipulation of its real estate management and now McCain wants to deregulate our investment stock markets.
On Social Security, McCain wants eliminate it and put retirees money into the Stock Market allowing the Rich Broker Houses to steal it all after the stock market crash- the mantra that fuck-head bush wanted to do as soon as he got into office. Remember that?????
This is the republican agenda of McCain and the Keating Five!
AIIZ
He is a card carrying member of the Keating Five loan manipulation of its real estate management and now McCain wants to deregulate our investment stock markets.
On Social Security, McCain wants eliminate it and put retirees money into the Stock Market allowing the Rich Broker Houses to steal it all after the stock market crash- the mantra that fuck-head bush wanted to do as soon as he got into office. Remember that?????
This is the republican agenda of McCain and the Keating Five!
AIIZ
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Apollonaris Zeus, your facts are not exactly correct in your previous post. I don't like McCain any more than you do, but I don't think we should also be guilty of spreading the same type of lies and distortions about McCain that the republicans are making against Obama either.
You can check your facts at http://www.factcheck.org
JK
You can check your facts at http://www.factcheck.org
JK
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Apollonaris Zeus
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Are you saying that he wasn't a member of the Keating Five?jkisha wrote:Apollonaris Zeus, your facts are not exactly correct in your previous post. I don't like McCain any more than you do, but I don't think we should also be guilty of spreading the same type of lies and distortions about McCain that the republicans are making against Obama either.
You can check your facts at http://www.factcheck.org
JK
Why don't you be a big guy and point them out?
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Apollonaris Zeus
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McCain supported the Low sub-prime mortgage fiasco deregulation promoted my the Republican Tickets is exactly the same situation as the Loan and Savings fiasco that McCain created in the 70's and 80's.
He is a card carrying member of the Keating Five loan manipulation of its real estate management and now McCain wants to deregulate our investment stock markets.
On Social Security, McCain wants eliminate it and put retirees money into the Stock Market allowing the Rich Broker Houses to steal it all after the stock market crash- the mantra that fuck-head bush wanted to do as soon as he got into office. Remember that?????
This is the republican agenda of McCain and the Keating Five!
AIIZ
He is a card carrying member of the Keating Five loan manipulation of its real estate management and now McCain wants to deregulate our investment stock markets.
On Social Security, McCain wants eliminate it and put retirees money into the Stock Market allowing the Rich Broker Houses to steal it all after the stock market crash- the mantra that fuck-head bush wanted to do as soon as he got into office. Remember that?????
This is the republican agenda of McCain and the Keating Five!
AIIZ
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You should really be doing your own homework. But just regarding the Keating Five, McCain was CLEARED of any wrong-doing and was reprimanded for POOR JUDGEMENT.Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Are you saying that he wasn't a member of the Keating Five?jkisha wrote:Apollonaris Zeus, your facts are not exactly correct in your previous post. I don't like McCain any more than you do, but I don't think we should also be guilty of spreading the same type of lies and distortions about McCain that the republicans are making against Obama either.
You can check your facts at http://www.factcheck.org
JK
Why don't you be a big guy and point them out?
This is really a non-issue--it's the same as the republicans trying to connect Obama/Ayers/Weathermen together.
You can check the rest yourself--the devil is in the details. There is so much factually wrong with McCain, we don't need lies and distortions to beat him.
JK
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"Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment"."Apollonaris Zeus wrote:I'm waiting!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
Why are you being so adamant on this? I am on your side. I just don't like disseminating misinformation.
JK
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Apollonaris Zeus
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OK time's run out Jkisha
so here it is:
Corruption allegations
The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.
Beginning in 1985, Edwin J. Gray, chair of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB), feared that the savings industry's risky investment practices were exposing the government's insurance funds to huge losses.[6] Gray instituted a rule whereby savings associations could hold no more than ten percent of their assets in "direct investments",[6] and were thus prohibited from taking ownership positions in certain financial entities and instruments.[7] Lincoln had become burdened with bad debt resulting from its past aggressiveness, and by early 1986,[6] its investment practices were being investigated and audited by the FHLBB:[8] in particular, whether it had violated these direct investment rules; Lincoln had directed FDIC-insured accounts into commercial real estate ventures.[4] By the end of 1986, the FHLBB had found that Lincoln had $135 million in unreported losses and had surpassed the regulated direct investments limit by $600 million.[6]
Keating had earlier taken several measures to oppose Gray and the FHLBB, including recruiting a study from then-private economist Alan Greenspan saying that direct investments were not harmful,[6] and getting President Ronald Reagan to make a recess appointment of a Keating ally, Atlanta real estate developer Lee H. Henkel Jr., to an open seat on the FHLBB.[6] But by March 1987, Henkel had resigned, upon news of his having large loans due to Lincoln.[6] Meanwhile, the Senate had changed control from Republican to Democratic during the 1986 Congressional elections, placing several Democratic senators in key positions, and starting in January 1987, Keating's staff was putting pressure on Cranston to remove Gray from any FHLBB discussion regarding Lincoln.[9] The following month, Keating began large-scale contributions into Cranston's project to increase California voter registration.[9] In February 1987, Keating met with Riegle and began contributing to Riegle's 1988 re-election campaign.[10]
It appeared as though the government might seize Lincoln for being insolvent.[7] The investigation was, however, taking a long time.[8] Keating was asking that Lincoln be given a lenient judgment by the FHLBB, so that it could limit its high risk investments and get into the safe (at the time) home mortgage business, thus allowing the business to survive. A letter from audit firm Arthur Young & Co. bolstered Keating's case that the government investigation was taking a long time.[11] Keating now wanted the five senators to intervene with the FHLBB on his behalf.
By March 1987, Riegle was telling Gray that "Some senators out west are very concerned about the way the bank board is regulating Lincoln Savings," adding somewhat ominously, "I think you need to meet with the senators. You'll be getting a call."[10] Keating and DeConcini were asking McCain to travel to San Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings.
On April 2, 1987, a meeting with chairman Gray of the FHLBB was held in DeConcini's Capitol office, with Senators Cranston, Glenn, and McCain also in attendance.[7] The senators requested that no staff be present.[12] DeConcini started the meeting with a mention of "our friend at Lincoln."[7] Gray told the assembled senators that he did not know the particular details of the status of Lincoln Savings and Loan, and that the senators would have to go to the bank regulators in San Francisco that had oversight jurisdiction for the bank. Gray did offer to set up a meeting between those regulators and the senators.[7]
On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[11][7] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy..... "
"McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[33][34] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[27] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[35] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][36] Because of these connections, Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick stated in 1989 that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five"
McCain wasn't convicted, but he was involved in pressuring regulators and helping to change the law that allow these institutions to take on more riskier investments. He suck the teats of Keating in gifts. He was essentially in keatings back pocket!
McCain did back out when it became known that Keating was being investigated.
He was warned perhaps illegally, but that never came up in the congressional investigation.
In other words, McCain knew he would go down with Keating and the other four and he bailed out just in time to save his ass!
AIIZ
so here it is:
Corruption allegations
The core allegation of the Keating Five affair is that Keating had made contributions of about $1.3 million to various U.S. Senators, and he called on those Senators to help him resist regulators. The regulators backed off, to later disastrous consequences.
Beginning in 1985, Edwin J. Gray, chair of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board (FHLBB), feared that the savings industry's risky investment practices were exposing the government's insurance funds to huge losses.[6] Gray instituted a rule whereby savings associations could hold no more than ten percent of their assets in "direct investments",[6] and were thus prohibited from taking ownership positions in certain financial entities and instruments.[7] Lincoln had become burdened with bad debt resulting from its past aggressiveness, and by early 1986,[6] its investment practices were being investigated and audited by the FHLBB:[8] in particular, whether it had violated these direct investment rules; Lincoln had directed FDIC-insured accounts into commercial real estate ventures.[4] By the end of 1986, the FHLBB had found that Lincoln had $135 million in unreported losses and had surpassed the regulated direct investments limit by $600 million.[6]
Keating had earlier taken several measures to oppose Gray and the FHLBB, including recruiting a study from then-private economist Alan Greenspan saying that direct investments were not harmful,[6] and getting President Ronald Reagan to make a recess appointment of a Keating ally, Atlanta real estate developer Lee H. Henkel Jr., to an open seat on the FHLBB.[6] But by March 1987, Henkel had resigned, upon news of his having large loans due to Lincoln.[6] Meanwhile, the Senate had changed control from Republican to Democratic during the 1986 Congressional elections, placing several Democratic senators in key positions, and starting in January 1987, Keating's staff was putting pressure on Cranston to remove Gray from any FHLBB discussion regarding Lincoln.[9] The following month, Keating began large-scale contributions into Cranston's project to increase California voter registration.[9] In February 1987, Keating met with Riegle and began contributing to Riegle's 1988 re-election campaign.[10]
It appeared as though the government might seize Lincoln for being insolvent.[7] The investigation was, however, taking a long time.[8] Keating was asking that Lincoln be given a lenient judgment by the FHLBB, so that it could limit its high risk investments and get into the safe (at the time) home mortgage business, thus allowing the business to survive. A letter from audit firm Arthur Young & Co. bolstered Keating's case that the government investigation was taking a long time.[11] Keating now wanted the five senators to intervene with the FHLBB on his behalf.
By March 1987, Riegle was telling Gray that "Some senators out west are very concerned about the way the bank board is regulating Lincoln Savings," adding somewhat ominously, "I think you need to meet with the senators. You'll be getting a call."[10] Keating and DeConcini were asking McCain to travel to San Francisco to meet with regulators regarding Lincoln Savings.
On April 2, 1987, a meeting with chairman Gray of the FHLBB was held in DeConcini's Capitol office, with Senators Cranston, Glenn, and McCain also in attendance.[7] The senators requested that no staff be present.[12] DeConcini started the meeting with a mention of "our friend at Lincoln."[7] Gray told the assembled senators that he did not know the particular details of the status of Lincoln Savings and Loan, and that the senators would have to go to the bank regulators in San Francisco that had oversight jurisdiction for the bank. Gray did offer to set up a meeting between those regulators and the senators.[7]
On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[11][7] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy..... "
"McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[33][34] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[27] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[35] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][36] Because of these connections, Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick stated in 1989 that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five"
McCain wasn't convicted, but he was involved in pressuring regulators and helping to change the law that allow these institutions to take on more riskier investments. He suck the teats of Keating in gifts. He was essentially in keatings back pocket!
McCain did back out when it became known that Keating was being investigated.
He was warned perhaps illegally, but that never came up in the congressional investigation.
In other words, McCain knew he would go down with Keating and the other four and he bailed out just in time to save his ass!
AIIZ
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See, jkisha, AIIZ is a 'duckspeaker', the Party line is the absolute truth--handed from the gods on down to him. Even if you, a Party loyalist yourself, can show him something that is manifestly opposed to what he has been told is the Truth, demonstrate it with all due diligence and factual correctness, he will not believe you.
He will believe what he is told to believe. Because he knows the Party is always Right. Even if he personally, has personal knowledge of the very thing you seek to prove to him, if he is involved on the most personal of levels, he will believe that what he has been told to believe is correct--and that his previous recollections are the error.
He has no need for doublethink. The truth is whatever the Party says. He loves Big Brother.
He will believe what he is told to believe. Because he knows the Party is always Right. Even if he personally, has personal knowledge of the very thing you seek to prove to him, if he is involved on the most personal of levels, he will believe that what he has been told to believe is correct--and that his previous recollections are the error.
He has no need for doublethink. The truth is whatever the Party says. He loves Big Brother.
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Ah, Simon, you are a master of doublethink, you, I think, truly believe that the equal misery that is the only equality that socialism ultimately provides, will never touch you or those you care about--because you support the Party aims.
Goldstein doesn't exist. He is the Partys' 'Trotsky', the never dying enemy that is ever ineffectual/
He is a tool of Big Brother. Whatever or whoever else he might once have been he is now nothing more--and it should be said that he was never a friend to freedom.
Interesting that you would refer to yourself so.
And O'Brien NEVER lurked. He had the power. He had no need to lurk. Worse than a misguided and brainwashed duckspeaker, he willingly placed his foot on the throat of freedom.
In Winston Smiths world, lurkers were easily channeled into futile rebelllion.
I pray that we have not and never get that far gone--that those of us who understand that socialism--whether Ingsoc or any other type--is the true enemy of freedom, never lose our voices to the blind socialist tide that washes like raw sewage over our country and our planet.
We will not lurk forever.
Goldstein doesn't exist. He is the Partys' 'Trotsky', the never dying enemy that is ever ineffectual/
He is a tool of Big Brother. Whatever or whoever else he might once have been he is now nothing more--and it should be said that he was never a friend to freedom.
Interesting that you would refer to yourself so.
And O'Brien NEVER lurked. He had the power. He had no need to lurk. Worse than a misguided and brainwashed duckspeaker, he willingly placed his foot on the throat of freedom.
In Winston Smiths world, lurkers were easily channeled into futile rebelllion.
I pray that we have not and never get that far gone--that those of us who understand that socialism--whether Ingsoc or any other type--is the true enemy of freedom, never lose our voices to the blind socialist tide that washes like raw sewage over our country and our planet.
We will not lurk forever.
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Well, this announcement will probably lose Florida for McCain--as reported in the Wall Street Journal: "McCain Plans Federal Health Cuts--
Medicare, Medicaid Spending Would Be Reduced to Offset Proposed Tax Credit"
Won't all the seniors retired in Fla. just love to hear that news! Wait till the AARP starts their ad campaign.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html
JK
Medicare, Medicaid Spending Would Be Reduced to Offset Proposed Tax Credit"
Won't all the seniors retired in Fla. just love to hear that news! Wait till the AARP starts their ad campaign.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html
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that's good analogy, I'd sure, though, like to see it applied across the board..........Ugly Dougly wrote:So McCain beat the rap.
Suppose there's a teacher in your kid's kindergarten who was accused of molestation, but beat the rap, and was "only" chastised for having "poor judgement", would you be comfortable with your kid remaining in that school?
Think of your country's future.
Vince Foster might have an opinion...........
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