Who won the second presidential debate?

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:37 pm

Who won the 2nd presidential debate?

thirt33n · Post by **thirt33n** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:49 pm

..both utterly failed.

if you can't grasp the concept of respecting your own rules then how can you be trusted to control yourself.

not once were either candidate within 45 seconds of their agreed upon time limit.

poor brokaw tried.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:42 pm

thirt33n wrote:..both utterly failed.

if you can't grasp the concept of respecting your own rules then how can you be trusted to control yourself.

not once were either candidate within 45 seconds of their agreed upon time limit.

poor brokaw tried.

I'm kind of happy to be a disenfranchised anarchist, in this election.....
I laugh, feel sorry, am angry, and mistrust both.......
I didn't watch, it won't change my mind anyway...........

Post by **Elderberry** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:45 pm

thirt33n wrote:..both utterly failed.

if you can't grasp the concept of respecting your own rules then how can you be trusted to control yourself.

not once were either candidate within 45 seconds of their agreed upon time limit.

poor brokaw tried.

The rules sucked. They should have to debate in the true sense of the word. Not this scripted crap. It wasn't a debate. I don't think there should be any pre-negotiations as to how the debates should be conducted.

And I was sick of hearing Mc Cain saying "my friends" -- he is no friend of mine or of anyone even in the audience.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 10:09 pm

well,
is "my friends" any different than saying "yu-know"?
And, how do you know if anyone in the audience was his friend?
You have mastered the use of general suppositions, though, my fr........eek? I almost said it......hahahaha

I still think they're both "bad seeds".........

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:27 am

They keep running the vp debate along with snl's version.
But how can you tell them apart?

Were they both that funny?

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:51 am

I was not impressed with the debate style of either candidate, since both ducked questions and ignored the agreed upon rules. I thought that Obama had a narrow win, but it was close to a tie. And I'm an Obama supporter (unfortunately I'm also an ex-debater, so I don't think highly of televised "debates" that just regurgitate talking points).

But the reaction among uncommitted voters gave Obama a win. This is especially important because McCain trails and badly needed a strong performance. Even worse, of the formerly uncommitted voters polled by CBS, 27% say that they were decided after the debate, 15% for Obama and 12% for McCain. See http://www.sefermpost.com/sefermpost/20 ... .html#more for details.

And, to put icing on the cake, a SurveyUSA poll gave Obama a 10-point lead in Virginia, of all places (http://www.sefermpost.com/sefermpost/20 ... k-oba.html). CNN is projecting that states safe for Obama or leaning to Obama give 264 electoral votes. Virginia was rated as a tossup state before this, and if Virginia goes for Obama then he has 277 electoral votes, and the election. I am becoming cautiously optimistic.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:31 am

that's easy, My Friends, "That One" won....

Das Bus · Post by **Das Bus** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:57 am

I only watched the beginning, I'll watch the rest later; but I bet Obama wanted to strangle McCain, when he got to answer first on who he would like to see as the Secretary of the Treasury, and McCain said Warren Buffet! SNAP!!!

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:10 am

Here's the fact check on the debate:

McCain and Obama debated for the second time, in Nashville. We noted some misleading statements and mangled facts:

McCain proposed to write down the amount owed by over-mortgaged homeowners and claimed the idea as his own: â€œItâ€™s my proposal, it's not Sen. Obama's proposal, it's not President Bush's proposal.â€

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:20 am

jkisha wrote:Experts weâ€™ve consulted...

I always wonder about this. Don't the candidates have "experts" on staff? Do they have the wrong experts? Or does the answer vary depending on which expert you ask??

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:25 am

I always wonder about this. Don't the candidates have "experts" on staff? Do they have the wrong experts? Or does the answer vary depending on which expert you ask??

In my expert opinion, the answers are yes, yes, and yes.

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:13 am

Yep, the experts don't agree...just like expert witnesses.

JK

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:07 pm

maybe they should give a consensus, like the old toothpaste commercials ... 4 out of 5 experts ... or something. but back then "expert" may have meant something... to someone ... maybe...

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:33 pm

Speaking of toothpaste, that reminded me--remember there was a time that almost any advertiser could make just about any claim about their product and it was legal.

Then the government started to crack down on them and now they can't say things that they can't prove; and if they do, they are pulled off the air, fined and sometimes jailed.

I was surprised to find out that there is no such legislation or law that governs political advertising and any candidate can say anything about their opponent they want, no matter how blatant the lie might be. At lease after finding that out, I was able to stop wondering how anyone would be allowed to say some of the things I heard in some of those ads.

JK

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:15 am

Got a feeling that a miltary expert would say something that would make the economics expert say, "but we can't afford that", and in turn the environmental expert would have different conflicting ideas. A good leader would then ve like a traffic cop.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:23 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Got a feeling that a miltary expert would say something that would make the economics expert say, "but we can't afford that", and in turn the environmental expert would have different conflicting ideas. A good leader would then ve like a traffic cop.

I might also think a good, and smart leader, would run screaming from the prospects of this job...........

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 10:26 am

jkisha wrote:Who won the 2nd presidential debate?

Every station who didn't carry it.

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:38 am

goathead wrote:
jkisha wrote:Who won the 2nd presidential debate?
Every station who didn't carry it.

CYNIC!!!

JK

goathead · Post by **goathead** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:10 pm

jkisha wrote:
goathead wrote:
jkisha wrote:Who won the 2nd presidential debate?
Every station who didn't carry it.

CYNIC!!!

JK

WHY

Thank You.
I do Try.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:46 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Got a feeling that a miltary expert would say something that would make the economics expert say, "but we can't afford that", and in turn the environmental expert would have different conflicting ideas. A good leader would then ve like a traffic cop.

No. A good leader would be able to hear all these differing opinions and be able to see what the interests of the country and world are and steer some sort of course that would serve those interests, without doing undue harm someplace else.

It may be a measure of how little we expect from our leaders that "traffic cop" is our discription of the job.

thirt33n · Post by **thirt33n** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:03 pm

john mccain's "my friends" = Barack Obama's "look,.."

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:41 pm

thirt33n wrote:john mccain's "my friends" = Barack Obama's "look,.."

I'll keep an ear out for that; but the use of "my friends" for me is in the same catagory as someone calling me "bro", when the person is neither my friend or my brother; and a word like "look" would be more like a replacement for "Umm...".

JK

thirt33n · Post by **thirt33n** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:42 pm

that's what i'm sayin'...
both of them have adopted their respective phases and are using them as strategic, "ums"

just funny. there are about 10 to 20 words that would make the current political rhetoric an excellent drinking game.

i need not name them. we've heard them enough.

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:51 pm

jkisha wrote:Speaking of toothpaste, that reminded me--remember there was a time that almost any advertiser could make just about any claim about their product and it was legal.

Then the government started to crack down on them and now they can't say things that they can't prove; and if they do, they are pulled off the air, fined and sometimes jailed.

I was surprised to find out that there is no such legislation or law that governs political advertising and any candidate can say anything about their opponent they want, no matter how blatant the lie might be. At lease after finding that out, I was able to stop wondering how anyone would be allowed to say some of the things I heard in some of those ads.

JK

kinda like medical experts on smoking

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BitterDan · Post by **BitterDan** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:08 pm

There was a second debate?

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 6:39 pm

Toolmaker, I've noticed that you have found a youtube video for almost any topic on eplaya! I'll bet you and my partner would get along great--he spends most of his time on the internet searching through youtube.

JK

Toolmaker · Post by **Toolmaker** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:43 am

jkisha wrote:Toolmaker, I've noticed that you have found a youtube video for almost any topic on eplaya! I'll bet you and my partner would get along great--he spends most of his time on the internet searching through youtube.

JK

Its eplayas fault for getting me addicted to youtube. May moths infest Dorks underwear and make him go buy new undies for giving me this curse.

Seriously though.. its only because there IS a youtube for any topic. I really dont want moths to eat upo Dorks undies either.. well maybe just one pair since he never increased the avatar size.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:38 am

Toolmaker wrote:
jkisha wrote:Toolmaker, I've noticed that you have found a youtube video for almost any topic on eplaya! I'll bet you and my partner would get along great--he spends most of his time on the internet searching through youtube. :lol:

JK
Its eplayas fault for getting me addicted to youtube. May moths infest Dorks underwear and make him go buy new undies for giving me this curse.

Seriously though.. its only because there IS a youtube for any topic. I really dont want moths to eat upo Dorks undies either.. well maybe just one pair since he never increased the avatar size.

Here's the only Dork Eating Underwear video I found:
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