What's a Palin

[Ugly Dougly]

i am on board with those who think obama is far closer to the lefty radical gang than he dare admit....

me too

that's why i'm voting for him

we need radical change

You wish.

[Elderberry]

i am on board with those who think obama is far closer to the lefty radical gang than he dare admit....

OH PAAAALLLLEEEEEEEZZZZZZEEEE!

JK

!!! we all have our sources, JK ... we seek what we want to hear, and avoid what we want to ignore ... god knows there is enough info out there for anyone of any persuasion, no matter how narrow, to consider himself well-informed...

but i would be willing to bet than no one here knows the man, or what's really in his heart.

Listen, I posted the clips of McCain saying that if you can't win on the issues, start slinging mud. So, as you can see, he isn't winning on the issues, so he's starting to sling the mud. Get people thinking and worrying about something that isn't really important, let alone true. Sorry you can't see that. But as I have said at least three different times on this board, most people in this country are too stupid to be governed.

JK

JK

[ygmir]

JK
I'm going to need to put in a call to "Myopia, queen of political discourse" soon..........

[Elderberry]

JK
I'm going to need to put in a call to "Myopia, queen of political discourse" soon..........

But I'm wearing corrective lenses.

JK

[ygmir]

maybe they're on backwards?.......

[Elderberry]

maybe they're on backwards?.......

I don't think so.

JK

[littleflower]

perhaps you would see more clearly without them...!

[ygmir]

maybe they're on backwards?.......

I don't think so.

JK

with those glasses, how will you know which state voted for which candidate?......hahahahaha

3 D, too.......yeehaw.........

[Elderberry]

Yup, one's red the other's blue--this way I can be sure I'm totally objective!

JK

[ygmir]

ah,
you velly kreva fo roun eye devil...........

[Isotopia]

From The Rude Pundit http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

What Biden Ought To Say (Rude Version):

If at tonight's debate, Gwen Ifill asks Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden whether he thinks Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and he doesn't say, "Gwen, let me speak for the vast majority of people in this country when I say, frankly and honestly, 'What the fuck?' No, really, What. The. Fuck. I mean, everyone's seen this goddamned idiot over here running around and playing national candidate dress-up. And isn't it embarrassing? Isn't it just so depressingly, godforsakenly embarrassing? C'mon, Republicans, you gotta hate yourselves for having to constantly defend her when she says something utterly incomprehensible or just plain friggin' dumb. You gotta hate yourselves for how far you've devolved.

"Really, what the fuck? And don't gimme that fuckin' little sour-faced sneer, Sarah, where you look like just sucked a sweaty hobo's cock. 'Cause you know it's true and every time you get asked a question that stumps you, which is every fuckin' question, and you get that look in your eyes like the deer laying on the road way after the headlights have gone by, you gotta wonder, 'What the fuck?' yourself. You're in over your head, and there ain't no life preserver here.

"Last week, we all had to watch while John McCain treated Barack Obama like he had just fucked McCain's daughter's lily-white snatch with his big black dick. Barack Obama fought for months to win the votes of his party to win the nomination. What the fuck did you do, Sarah? You ran a town that's the size of a Super Wal-Mart? You're a governor? Of fuckin' Alaska? Jesus fuckin' Christ, that means your only job is to see how much you can get away with fucking up the environment to squeeze a little more filthy oil lucre out of the wheezing earth so you can please the corporations that fuckin' own your state and to see how much you can afford to bribe the citizens there with Exxon's profits. And you're on stage with me? At best, you should be the second focus group-ready questioner in a townhall meeting, you know, the crazy Christian chick from a rural state no one gives a fuck about but we all have to pretend matters because of the electoral college.

"And you wanna make fun of me? Saying you were in 2nd grade when I was first in the Senate? Fuck you. You know what I was doing then while your daddy was showing you how to rip the intestines out of a moose or some such shit? I was trying to stop the Nixon administration from blowing the fuck out Cambodia. And when you were sashaying your ass around a stage in a swimsuit and heels, wondering if you could just handjob the judges backstage, I was facing down Ronald Reagan for his insane policies, including in Lebanon. But that'd be history and that requires you to think about more than whatever talking points John McCain has been jamming up your twat and down your throat for the last couple of months, which is the only time you've given a shit about more than how to use your office to get jobs for friends, take revenge on ex-in-laws, and get pretty, shiny presents.

"I don't wanna fuckin' hear about this dink anymore. I don't wanna know about how she went to five different safety schools before squeezing out a vanity degree like a turd from a constipated old man. I don't wanna hear about her retarded baby. I don't wanna hear about her knocked-up teenage daughter. I don't wanna hear about her fuckin' redneck husband. Fuck them. They are the ones who need to be led, not the ones who need to be leading. So I don't give a fuck about what Bush with boobs here has to say about jack shit. And you know what else? I don't wanna hear about the wisdom of small town America. You know where the Founders spent their time? In the cities. In Paris. In London. Small towns? That's called 'isolation.' And it's bullshit political talk for 'white,' Gwen. Oh, do I sound elitist? If it's elitist to want to elect people who actually have a thought in their head about more than whether or not to name the next child 'Remington' or 'Colt,' then, fine, fuck me, it's elitist.

"This ain't a fuckin' game, Gwen. It ain't a fuckin' beauty pageant where you can give a cross-eyed hummer to a flute and charm your way to second place. We already played let's-put-the-idiot-in-charge. How'd that work out, huh? So it ain't funny that we are actually having a serious discussion about someone who is caught off guard when asked for a newspaper she reads. It's not funny. Not when the top of her ticket is Old Geezer Grumpy McStrokeEye. So, no, Gwen, even if the economy was so good that everyone was knee deep in cash and pussy or cock, even if Osama bin Laden told all his people to go back to goat fucking and then killed himself, even if all of a sudden we discovered we could all power our cars cleanly with pig shit, even if the streets were paved with gold, Gwen, this fuckin' idiot, who couldn't discuss a foreign policy even though her soldier son's life depends on it and who couldn't even name the Exxon Valdez case, fer chrissake, oughta be arrested if she sets foot in Washington, DC," then the whole thing will be worthless.

[Ugly Dougly]

Mommy's drink is on the way.

[theCryptofishist]

Thanks, Iso.

[Elderberry]

That's exactly what he should have said.

JK

[lurker]

What Biden Ought to have said Addendum

Gwen Eiffel: So we're clear that you think Ms Palin is an airheaded loser who should be ashamed to have dragged her slutty ass out of Alaska to embarass this country by pretending that she could actually handle the office of Vice President? And we're agreed that stupidity should not be rewarded by becoming the person who could have to take over for the President?

Joe Biden: Absolutely.

Gwen Eiffel: Great. Now, on economic issues, Ms Palin, please tell us the details of Franklin Roosevelts plan to get us out of the Great Depression--the plan he unveiled during the Hoover administraion in a televised address to the nation.

Sarah Palin: Wait...what? Goshdarnit, that...wait....that didn't happen. We didn't even HAVE television then....and wasn't Hoover President--why would Roosevelt be adressing anyone?

Gwen Eiffel: So you're saying that you don't know?

Sarah Palin: What? What is there to know? It didn't happen.

Gwen Eiffel: Well, I think that says it all, Senator Biden?

Joe Biden: Heh heh heh.

And that's the way it is......

[Simon of the Playa]

quite frankly, i would have asked her why her (then) 15 year old daughter would make a video of herself smoking pot and then joking to the camera:

"my mom's gonna be the next governor...huh-huh----heh-heh-heh"


the truth is out there sculley, you just gotta find it.

[lurker]

Funny, I thought you just joked about lighting up your bong

so, keeping in the tradition of BURNING STUFF, i am going to get my bong, flip on the bloomberg, and watch the morning funnies.

Sure looks like it.

Are drugs bad when it's a Republican doing them, too? Or the child of a Republican?

See, Simon, Mom can say that she doesn't want you smoking pot all she wants--and she may be a great mom--but you can still get pot--or anything else you wanna try or do. You can fuck even if mom's a strict 'abstinience-only' person, too.

In fact, if you look at the whole 'preacher's kid' stereotype, I'd say that chances are good that if your parents are fire and brimstone, no ex, no drugs zealots, there's a good chance their kid is holding and slutty.

What gets me is burners who normally have no problem with drug use and lotsa sex acting like it's bad when the kids of people who don't advocate either do both. Are your parents advocates of drug use and promiscuous sex? Mine sure aren't--but that never stopped me.

Once again...you all have GOT to make up your minds.

[Simon of the Playa]

she was 15....

as a parent of 4 (22,20,18,14) i can honestly say that it was not allowed until they were "of age"

that means 21


i'm quite sure my oldest tried it before then, but he's grad. from college, and can make up his own mind about things.

now that he is of age, we can enjoy the relaxation of mother nature together, like having that first legal beer with your dad, or getting shitfaced with mom.

but she was 15.


that is my point, and i think it's a good one.

and it's not so much the legality issue, as it is a developmental one. Children have Guardians for a reason.

[Elderberry]

I don't have links to statistics to support this, but my OPINION is that children that are brought up in overly strict or overly religious environments are always more prone to rebel and consequently get into trouble. It is also my OPINION that those that preach against sin and evil the loudest are the the same ones that are the most guilty of committing those same sins they are preaching against.

(Maybe they have a sick thinking process that is hoping that if they speak out strongly about their sins and try to control the moral actions of others, they will somehow help to gain some control over their own sins? or maybe they just think that if they are preaching out against something, they won't get caught doing it themselves??)

JK

[dr.placebo]

The following clip perfectly captures my attitude towards Palin's family problems.

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[lurker]

Well, I was twelve. My cousin had some. And my mom was saying no to drugs long before Nancy Reagan did.

You smoke with your kids--it's not a rebellion--using yourself as an example in this is not just disingenuous, it's ludicrous

How would they rebel against you......vote Republican? I'd keep a weather eye out, Simon, I know quite a few kids with 'hippy', lefty parents who went the other way big time.

[littleflower]

she was 15....

as a parent of 4 (22,20,18,14) i can honestly say that it was not allowed until they were "of age"

that means 21


i'm quite sure my oldest tried it before then, but he's grad. from college, and can make up his own mind about things.

now that he is of age, we can enjoy the relaxation of mother nature together, like having that first legal beer with your dad, or getting shitfaced with mom.

but she was 15.


that is my point, and i think it's a good one.

and it's not so much the legality issue, as it is a developmental one. Children have Guardians for a reason.

this is just silly ... but i never know if what you write is snark, or what. IMO, kids *should* learn to drink at home, where they are supervised ... where they can learn what's OK, what's not OK, what their limits are...&c. some of those i knew in college who were raised in oppressive homes were the most out of control.

but generalities are generally stupid ... including that one ...

[cowboyangel]

I can't tell the difference anymore between Palin and Tina Fey, except that Tina doesn't slaughter wolves from the air.

[lurker]

Shows what YOU know about Tina Fey.

[Simon of the Playa]

ok, so let me get this straight.... in order to grow Republican Children, you have to give them a leftist upbringing so that they will rebel against it.


thank you SO much for that wonderful insight.


you dont breed, do you lurker, because the above argument is asinine, and i know you're not stupid.

[lurker]

Actually, Simon, what I said is that I know quite a number of people who HAD a lefty upbringing who 'rebelled' and went righty. It's not asinine, it just is.

Why, MY parents are staunch Democrats....so I guess it DOES happen.

But it looks like I struck a nerve.

Here's a good story, I've got a friend--real sixties hippy, ran with her man to Canada, lived on this big farm commune out in the wilds of BC. After the commune got infected by some jesus freaks she took off with her daughter and headed to the Seattle area. When her daughter got to be about ten she adopted a more mainstream, restrictive attitude--she actually says she wanted to make sure her daughter didn't go righty. Because she'd seen the same thing with other people's kids. Get to 18 and flee the hippy life. Well, her charade worked, her daughter's as much of a hippy/lefty as she is.

I've always thought that was kinda nasty--like brainwashing.

I'm a freak, raised my kids to be freaks. Drugs? Told them the dangers, told them the fun stuff, told them that they should use the drugs if they so choose, but never get to a point where the drug is using them. If they do, stop, don't use that anymore. Told them how to see that they were getting to like it too much(experience helped a lot here). Did the same with sex, explained that sex is not love--sex is just fleshy fun. Love is a lot deeper and is enhanced by sex, but doesn't require it.

I've encouraged my kids to think for themselves and on their feet. They're smart, creative and as freaky as their parents.

It's had some weird effects--my daughter almost got suspended for 'witchery'(I kid you not, that was the word they used--I felt like I was in Salem), my son did a WHOLE lot of drug experimentation when he hit 18--so much it scared us--after a quiet teen life--but he stopped pretty quick--when he saw it starting to get him, and my other daughter wants to streak her graduation.

How will they vote? I don't know. What I've told them about voting that it's always best to vote for the person you think will infringe least on your freedoms--and work for the ones that will expand them. It's been my experience that the Rs do a lot of restrictive talk, but don't take a lot of restrictive action--preferring private strictness, and the Ds do a lot of unrestrictive talk, but seem to do a helluvalot of legal restrictin--PMRC, smoking bans, porn bans(in the name of feminism), speech restrictions, etc.

In the end, I think they'll vote in a fashion similar to me. But, if they don't, c'est la vie.

[Simon of the Playa]

Lurker, i think that we are more alike than we would like to admit.


My kids are all very good kids, with good grades and a solid moral platform to stand on.

Where they got it from, well that's up for debate amongst my 1st ex-wife and others, but they are similar, and different in their thoughts and actions than their parents, who have morphed over the years from Staunch Republican (i actually worked for Al Haig in 88') to liberal Democrats.

the above methods of Warning and advice is pretty much the same for me and my kids, and i have always told them to investigate and make their own decisions on things.

Now, with that said, i can see the simon in my boys, the oldest especially.

I also have over the years realized just how much i am like my father.

so, if rebelling also means coming to terms later with the similarities, than i guess we should start another thread, because the apples that fall from this tree will distract from the name calling and vicious politicking in this particular discussion.

like this....SARAH PALIN, America's Evita Peron.

[lurker]

The sad fact is that all this vicious politicking is naught but venting.

All four have proved themselves to be exactly what we don't need--cookie cutter politicians. We will vote in November, and in January someone none of us really wants or needs will become President, and we will either suffer an idiot we voted for, or suffer an idiot we voted against.

Sadly, I feel that, more and more, most votes are 'against'. That is, we are not voting for someone we support, but are rather voting for someone we dislike less than the other candidate.

Save for a few odd exceptions, nothing in all of this vitriol has convinced me otherwise.

Perhaps we shouls start a thread about what would constitue the ideal candidate, what policies, what actions.

Until then back to the venting...

Well, I'd rather see Palins' 'SEX' book than Obamas(oblique Madonna-as-Evita reference).

[Elderberry]

The last few posts were the most interesting in the thread.

I was also brought up a Democrat, became a staunch Republican, even held elected office as a republican during the Regan years; now I'm a registered Democrat and feel more comfortable there.

The Republicans used to have what I believed was a sound fiscal policy, which they have long abandoned; and for a long time I was willing to compromise on some of the social issues that could have made my life easier, for the what I thought at the time, was for the 'good of the country'. Now that I am a bit older, and the republicans have totally abandoned their core principles and have gone totally off the deep end on social issues (especially those that have profound effect on my life-style) I feel more like what's 'best for the country' is really what is 'best for the people'--ALL of the people.

I think that making the conversation personal is a big help when trying to reach a meeting of the minds; or at least it helps to be more respectful of each other's opinions; when those involved in the discussion actually start to humanize themselves and their arguments with actual personal life experiences that have lead up to someone believing as they do.

Thanks for the added insight.

JK

[Apollonaris Zeus]

We don't want a person like Palin just a step away from being the President.
McCain can die at any minute and a control freak like Palin is a threat to the security of the world! Bitch she is!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/us/10trooper.html


Palins Repeatedly Pressed Case Against Trooper

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Published: October 9, 2008

ANCHORAGE — The 2007 state fair was days away when Alaska’s public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, took another call about one of his troopers, Michael Wooten. This time, the director of Gov. Sarah Palin’s Anchorage office was on the line.
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Walt Monegan, center, the former public safety commissioner, and his special assistant, Kim Peterson, both said they received phone calls from Todd Palin, right, about Mr. Wooten’s behavior.

As Mr. Monegan recalls it, the aide said the governor had heard that Trooper Wooten was assigned to work the kickoff to the fair in late August. If so, Mr. Monegan should do something about it, because Ms. Palin was also planning to attend and did not want him nearby.

Somewhat bewildered, Mr. Monegan soon determined that Trooper Wooten had indeed volunteered for duty at the fairgrounds — in full costume as “Safety Bear,â€