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Post by dr.placebo » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:59 pm

I know that the Ayers connection is believed by some R's to mean that Obama was the moral equivalent of a domestic terrorist. You might check out the Newsweek/FactCheck article (Newsweek got it from factcheck.org with permission):

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163396

which ends with
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama's interactions with him. We're making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign's attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never "lied" about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly "radical." And Ayers is more than a former "terrorist," he's also a well-known figure in the field of education.
So criticisms of the Obama/Ayers connection strike me as weak and a bit desperate.

I will point out again that throwing the red meat of "terrorist" to the crowd does incite those who view the world with good/evil polarized lenses to react as though Obama was a terrorist himself. And that includes racists, although I do not believe either McCain or Palin to be racists.

Sarah Palin may be doing nothing more than following the campaign script. But I have to say that she does so with all of the enthusiasm that one would expect of a fundamentalist.

When not engaged in character assassination, though, if Gov. Palin gets up against something substantive, it all falls to pieces:

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Remember, if elected she is just one Image away from the Presidency. What was McCain thinking?

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Post by Elderberry » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:19 pm

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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:30 pm

America the stupid from sea to shinnnning sea............
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:16 pm

and, a beautiful thing it is, the right to be as dumb as you want............
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:23 am

just another reason to avoid ohio.


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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:48 am

Dumb as a box of rocks.....

When did you hear about Obama?

When he fell outta nowhere and was suddenly considered a viable candidate to be the Dem nominee--before he even trounced Alan Keyes after he got his opponents kinky divorce from 7 of 9 plastered all over the place to get him out of the race. I still remember articles with titles like 'Could this be the first black President?'--before he even became a Senator.

And when did you hear about Sarah Palin?

When she popped outta nowhere as McCains VP pick.

Is she qualified?

Qualified--certainly--the qualifications aren't that rigorous.

But is she ready? Ready to do the VP job--sure.

What about President?

She's not running for President. She's the VP pick. She'd only be President if McCain died. I don't think anyone'd be 'ready' for that. But she'd have to do it. Despite alarmism, I don't believe McCain's about to drop dead.

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Post by dr.placebo » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:19 am

I think that judging Palin as "qualified" for VP is only looking at the constitutional requirements, which admittedly are not very stringent. It is interesting to contrast Palin's experience with Joe Biden's:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008 ... fact_lizza

It is a good idea to ask whether you want to see the VP candidate as President, since having a 72-year old cancer survivor as President must increase the odds. Given her lack of depth I think that she'd be out of her league officially visiting Canada, much less somewhere truly exotic. Thinking about having her as POTUS is scary.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:34 am

the big question is Lurker, and i want an Honest answer, not the party Line.

Do YOU think she'll make a good V.P and / or President?

do YOU trust that she'll keep her God where it belongs?

i dont.
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Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:50 am

so much of this argument seems so moot........

no matter who's president, and when, or how, everything still has to go through and be approved by, 535, IIRC, piece of crap , house+senate personnel.........they really run the show.
Her "God" would be sidelined by Chuck Schumer, et al..........

The V.P. is so "capt. dunsel" IMHO. McCain would survive his term, or terms, whatever.........

As always, just IMHO............
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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:15 am

Honestly? I think she'll do as good as anyone else being offered, of the primary four. I think they all suck, Simon.

I'm voting for time basically, and gridlock. Particularly gridlock. I'm hoping that a McCain win will have the Dems so pissed they attack him endlessly--which will translate into very little legislating getting done.

I don't like Obama at all. There's way too much stuff in his books that I find downright racist--and horribly so considering that it was his mother's family that really raised him. He's also far too statist for me. When I make 1984 references, I do it watching how he's being treated by the majority of the media--there is far too much admiration for the man in the national media. Any of his statist solutions will be presented in a shining light, lavished with praise and made to look great--even as they take away our freedoms.

Look at the bailout--OPbama voted for it, Reid voted for it, Pelosi voted for it--and they all wanted it. McCain also voted for it--and it turns out that it wasn't a magic pill--like a lot of people were saying--to Bush, McCain, Reid, Obama and Pelosi...and Frank and Dodd....but only McCain is TARRED with it. And he has, demonstrably, warned about the collapse--and Obama, Frank and Dodd demonstrably were saying that there was nothing wrong.

But the bailout is hurting McCain. How the hell is that happening? Because the reporting is slanted.

The MSM, IF they address who supported/warned about this, include caveats that make McCain look bad--and FOX reporting is focused more on McCain screwing up by voting for it at all--I've got right-wing talk radio on right now that's slamming McCain for the bailout.

Know what scared me in the debates? He DID NOT deny that there would be a fine levied against parents who could not or would not buy into one of the various healthcare plans he proposes.

How's THAT gonna be reported?

And Obama will not face gridlock.

McCain gives us four years to find a good candidate(hence my 'Burner Party' post). It's a slim hope, and it's far from a good thing, but it's hope.
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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:20 am

Okay, that was the 'nice' post. Here's this one.

After what I posted--in response to the 'McCain voters are dumb' video, can't ANY of you admit that Obama voters are just as fucking dumb?

Or even try the honest thing--admit that it's pretty easy to make people look stupid?

Or will you all sit there, with your heads up your asses, wrapped in a cabbagey cloud of your own smug, thinking 'Boy, those republicans are stupid'?
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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:39 am

lurker wrote:Okay, that was the 'nice' post. Here's this one.

After what I posted--in response to the 'McCain voters are dumb' video, can't ANY of you admit that Obama voters are just as fucking dumb?

Or even try the honest thing--admit that it's pretty easy to make people look stupid?

Or will you all sit there, with your heads up your asses, wrapped in a cabbagey cloud of your own smug, thinking 'Boy, those republicans are stupid'?
of course they will ... it's their main argument. that's the scariest thing to me about democrats .. republicans are suspicious of politicians and the press by nature ... but the dems i know really do seem to trust democrat politicians. any criticism is an attack.

i like to tell my dem friends my register to vote story ... 20 years ago you could register at tables set up in shopping centers before elections ... i live in a blue area and found a few democrat tables first, and neither would register me as an independent. then i found a republican table ... said "i suppose you won't register independents, either?" and they said "of course we will, here are the forms." i told them that the democrats wouldn't register me, and they told me that they were required to register anyone, in any party, who wanted to vote... and that i should report the dems to the authorities.

i think most of my dem friends would rather believe i am lying than think even the smallest negative thing about the dems. but my republican friends trust no one ... mainly because of human nature ... power corrupts ...

i am totally with you on hoping for gridlock.

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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:41 am

Hey, littleflower, I've got an odd question for you.

Have you recently recieved a PM asking if you'd ever actually been to Burning Man?

I noticed that wonderphil was asked it publically, then I got one in a PM.

It's as if some think you can't have certain political views and REALLY be a burner.

It'll probably come as a surprise to many that I think that BRC, despite the presence of lefties galore, is probably one of the most anti-leftist cities on the planet.

I mean, look at this--
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Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.
That means anyone--not just fellow travelers, but people who are going in a totally different direction. Ther 'are you even a burner' questions show pretty clearly that those with a lefty bent aren't valuing the inclusion of differing opinions--oh, they might enjoy the debate, but they're feeling that there's jusy no way you're actually one of them if you've got a different perspective.
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Creepily, this one's almost biblical--'cast your bread upon the waters...'. It's anti-communist and anti-capitalist all at once--because both expect value in return. Gifting, in the true sense(barter is capitalist), is an expression of radical self reliance and radical inclusion all at once. Need is not involved, the desire to give, freely and happily, without compunction, is.
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This removes authority from the process. No regulation says who can and can't give, no government stands ready to protect or litigate--it's caveat emptor in terms of the event as a whole and in your judgement as to what you take part in. No easy brand names to rely on either, it's raw human interaction.
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Burning Man encourages the individual to discover, exercise and rely on his or her inner resources.
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Both of these stress 'individual'. Both put you outside safety nets--save those you make yourself. What you do shines on it's own--or not. There's nothing to prop you up except the web of friends and helpers that you create yourself--you are not part of any 'collective' other than the one you desire to be a part of.
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Even this becomes my desired 'community of want'--rather than a community of need. There's no 'to each, from each' here--it's here's my stuff, what can we do together? There's no required 'from'. You give what you WANT to give.
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And this one. Sometimes it just amazes me. There are so many people who deride people on the right for not wanting to provide for those who do not provide for themselves--a vast number of whom rail endlessly about yahoos spectating all over the city. And they don't see the parallel. DO something. Make an effort--everyone can. Everyone can participate-it doesn't mean you have to bankrupt yourself, just show willing. Sounds a whole lot like 'get off your ass and get a job'.
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Do it NOW, don't talk about it endlessly. Give it a shot. You can't overcome barriers by sitting around talking about overcoming barriers--you've gotta get out there and DO it.*

That's why I put up that Burner Party post--to see if we could come up with some core principles, a platform, as it were, that we can actually throw in politicians faces.

*Yes, I am fully--and happily--aware that the same ten principles can be taken and defined in a way that there is a VERY lefty slant--but that's radical inclusion for ya. Revel in it.
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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:17 am

You want gridlock? That is very disappointing.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:21 am

lurker wrote:
Honestly? I think she'll do as good as anyone else...
As the accepted Republican norm of recent Repub noms.
I think they all suck, Simon.
Compared to GW they're geniuses!
I'm voting for time basically, and gridlock. Particularly gridlock. I'm hoping that a McCain win will have the Dems so pissed they attack him endlessly--which will translate into very little legislating getting done.
So you can some really good party puppet and attack Iran or suck the wealth from the middle class while shipping more jobs overseas.
I don't like Obama at all.
What do you think we're as dumb as you, that we didn't get that message already!
There's way too much stuff in his books that I find downright racist
Without a direct quote, welcome to being black in America! May I ask on your upbringing? Please just let it out.
even as they take away our freedoms.
As in Ashcroft, right!
Look at the bailout--OPbama voted for it, Reid voted for it, Pelosi voted for it--and they all wanted it. McCain also voted for it--and it turns out that it wasn't a magic pill
The bailout is just getting started and the reaction on Wall Street is positive with a wait and see. But that can only help the banking sectors. Can't sell products with no consumers so a credit line can only go so far without returning to the same dysfunctional economy.
And he (McCain)has, demonstrably, warned about the collapse--and Obama, Frank and Dodd demonstrably were saying that there was nothing wrong.
You have your facts wrong. Obama tried to address the Sub-prime problem over two years ago. I'm not sure about McCain since he allowed Obama several weeks of exclusive trumping this issues without iterating his warnings.
But the bailout is hurting McCain. How the hell is that happening? Because the reporting is slanted. I've got right-wing talk radio on right now that's slamming McCain for the bailout.
McCain gives us four years to find a good candidate(hence my 'Burner Party' post). It's a slim hope, and it's far from a good thing, but it's hope.
Then the world would be yours!

Why did you not respond to my question, "Lurker have you ever been to BM?"

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:39 am

lurker wrote: Look at the bailout--OPbama voted for it, Reid voted for it, Pelosi voted for it--and they all wanted it. McCain also voted for it--and it turns out that it wasn't a magic pill--like a lot of people were saying--to Bush, McCain, Reid, Obama and Pelosi...and Frank and Dodd....but only McCain is TARRED with it. And he has, demonstrably, warned about the collapse--and Obama, Frank and Dodd demonstrably were saying that there was nothing wrong.
A buttload of people - even genuine economists - got blindsided by this mess.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:41 am

lurker wrote: It's as if some think you can't have certain political views and REALLY be a burner.
Since Burningman is the subject of this fine website, what's stopping you from being up-front about it?

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:46 am

lurker wrote:
Know what scared me in the debates? He DID NOT deny that there would be a fine levied against parents who could not or would not buy into one of the various healthcare plans he proposes.

And Obama will not face gridlock.

McCain gives us four years to find a good candidate(hence my 'Burner Party' post). It's a slim hope, and it's far from a good thing, but it's hope.
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McCain misstated his own health care plan and Obama’s in one sentence:

McCain: I am in favor of . . . giving every American a $5,000 refundable tax credit and go out and get the health insurance you want rather than mandates and fines for small businesses, as Sen. Obama's plan calls for.

McCain's plan does not call for giving a $5,000 tax credit for "every American." It calls for a tax credit of $2,500. The $5,000 figure would apply to couples or families. And Obama’s plan requires large businesses to provide coverage for their employees or pay into a national plan, not "small businesses," as McCain said. Obama's health care proposal, posted on his Web site, says: “Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.â€

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:56 am

It seems that most things that McCain proposes will cost money, even "tax credits", but he says that he wants to cut taxes. So, hello deficit spending!

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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:26 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:It seems that most things that McCain proposes will cost money, even "tax credits", but he says that he wants to cut taxes. So, hello deficit spending!
i would be willing to bet that democrats will spend far more, and raise taxes ... we get screwed either way...

as for gridlock, JK, i have never liked the idea of having one party in total control of both the executive and legislative branches... if one party can hold out, they MUST find a compromise, and that hopefully will keep anything insane from becoming law. and now ... considering that reid, pelosi, and obama all look pretty far left to me ... quasi socialist ... well. i think we're in for it if mccain loses. IMHO. for 2 years, anyhow.

lurker ... i have not been to burning man. i found this website last august, when it was too late to go, but i watched the BM TV and read around here and i am dying to go... hopefully it will work out next year... but, no, no pm.

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:52 am

Well, who really knows; but I'm hoping that the democratic challenge will be to restore the budget surplus that was part of Clinton's legacy--or at least balance the budget as the deficit has grown so much under the republicans.

I used to be an 'every man for himself' sort of guy 'only the strong need survive'; when in my youth; I even held elected office as a republican. I have really done a 180 on that, when I realized that if you've got it (and I'm assuming you worked hard to get it) there really isn't anything wrong with giving a leg-up to those that don't have the ability to do it on their own. You can deamonize this by calling is socialist, but I call it humanitarian--the "christian" thing to do.

Which is interesting in that those that are least for helping those in need are almost always very 'faithful' christians. Which also reminds me that those same christians that are 'pro life' are also most vocal on the death penalty.

It's all too mindboggling for me.

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Post by lurker » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:07 pm

Since Burningman is the subject of this fine website, what's stopping you from being up-front about it?
Because I didn't like what was done to wonderphil. Because I thought it was reprehensible.

Do you all have a different definition for 'radical inclusion'? I think you do. I think you show it in so many ways--
I think they all suck, Simon.

Compared to GW they're geniuses!
Here's a scary bit for you, AIIZ--I've heard from several sources that Bush's IQ is nothing to be sneezed at. Genius isn't everything anyway. Sense is often a very overlooked factor.

And it is consistently overlooked by pretty much everyone we elect Dem, Rep and other. But you're too happy being partisan to admit that--your loss.
So you can some really good party puppet and attack Iran or suck the wealth from the middle class while shipping more jobs overseas.
I respect a lot of what you say on various issues, AIIZ, you are often very well spoken and intelligent. I guess that's why I'm so taken aback by what appears to be your complete abandonment of rationality in this.
Without a direct quote, welcome to being black in America! May I ask on your upbringing? Please just let it out.
Can't you even be honest to yourself? WITH a direct quote you wouldn't accept it.

Here's my upbringing, AIIZ, I grew up in a projects in NYC, have lived pretty much ALL of my life in the inner city(save for a brief stint in Vermont) and now live in a historic neigborhood--still in the inner city--that is not the French Quarter, but reminds me of it a bit. I have dated, and lived with people of nearly every race. My first wife was mixed. My kids are, white, black and mixed. My friends run the gamut of races, ethnicties, sexual persuasions, gender identifications and faiths. I am a VERY open polytheist and semi-rabid anti-monotheist. I write, work in special effects, paint, sculpt, and learn. My parents, and their parents were/are Democrats. Staunch permanent Democrats.

I am a Rational Anarchist, who because of a profound lack of rationality, am forced to come to every election checking and re-checking candidates to see who will interfere with me least. As I've stated, for reasons that I've explained, that means I tend to vote Republican--not always--and NEVER a straight ticket, but they tend to leave me alone.

That enough for you?
As in Ashcroft, right!
As in EVERY politician. Stop being so blind.
The bailout is just getting started and the reaction on Wall Street is positive with a wait and see. But that can only help the banking sectors. Can't sell products with no consumers so a credit line can only go so far without returning to the same dysfunctional economy.
Have you not noticed that we're brushing 8000? It was a bad idea--and the pork that everyone added only made it worse.
You have your facts wrong. Obama tried to address the Sub-prime problem over two years ago. I'm not sure about McCain since he allowed Obama several weeks of exclusive trumping this issues without iterating his warnings.


Where's the video? Where's the legislation? McCain jumped on a bill that the Dems let rot. Was Obama a sponsor? Did he argue that it be brought to the floor? There's video of McCain warning about this--Obama? And, dear god--there's video and legislation introduced with BUSHs' support from before 9/11 to adress the sub-prime problem.

But you're gonna ignore that--or call it spin or something. Just like you ignore all the Dems saying that there was no problem--also on video.
Then the world would be yours!
What? If WE(that includes YOU, AIIZ) can find a really good candidate? Great!
Why did you not respond to my question, "Lurker have you ever been to BM?"
Because I felt it was the same bullshit that was done to wonderphil. 'Oh, you're not even one of US, You don't matter'. Typical leftist elitist bullshit.

Open your fucking eyes--the left will screw you, the right will screw you. They're ALL playing you like a tin whistle.

Have I been to BM? Yes. No. Maybe. Under an assumed name, under an assumed gender, in a mutant vehicle, hidden under the floor boards, over the trash fence, with a box on my head.....

Wanna know for sure? Maybe I'll look you up. I'm working on something...well two things...that'll make me VERY visible--which is a change for me.
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Post by littleflower » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:13 pm

jkisha wrote:Which is interesting in that those that are least for helping those in need are almost always very 'faithful' christians.
JK
do you have a source for this assertion? i have seen evidence of the exact opposite.

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Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:15 pm

I know I'm for gridlock...........the only time I see congress do something wrong is when they take action........

no actions, no screw ups...........

I forget Mark Twains quote, but, It addresses well the concept above.

JK:
can you actually think Clinton had a surplus because he was such a great economist?
IMHO, the surplus then came from the dotcom bubble and huge tax revenues from the false economy of that era.........and short term federal refinancing that bit us in the butt later.......

I've read somewhere that a particular economic policy takes over 10 years to take effect and be measurable..........

I'm no economist, so, can only say it sounds right to me.......I might refer to UD wonderful previous sig.........I can't quote it, but, it was good.

Part of what's happening now, is from the bubble of those times bursting, again, IMHO...........I know now is more complicated than any one circumstance......just sayin'.........

The other thing you reference is "keeping what you've got".

I agree with helping less fortunate. I do, directly though.

I disagree with government taking it from me, and, dispensing it how they want, not necessarily how I would do it........and garnering power by using my money.......
And,
I think if government programs were seriously downsized, or eliminated, folks would step up. I think that's one of the big differences I have with both parties;
I feel people will fill the vacuum of need, as it works for them, where they are, and, how they choose.
Big politicos think they know best, and, can do it better..........while taking most of it for themselves, administration, yeah, right.......

sorry,
my cynical self shines through at times.......
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Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:20 pm

so, I guess I missed it:
what happened to "wonderphil"?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:39 pm

lurker wrote: Here's a scary bit for you, AIIZ--I've heard from several sources that Bush's IQ is nothing to be sneezed at. Genius isn't everything anyway. Sense is often a very overlooked factor.
I am sure that it's obvious - or relative.

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:12 pm

littleflower wrote:
jkisha wrote:Which is interesting in that those that are least for helping those in need are almost always very 'faithful' christians.
JK
do you have a source for this assertion? i have seen evidence of the exact opposite.
I have seen evidence of the exact opposite too. And yes I do have examples but I don't have time to look them up.

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Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:38 pm

jkisha wrote:
littleflower wrote:
jkisha wrote:Which is interesting in that those that are least for helping those in need are almost always very 'faithful' christians.
JK
do you have a source for this assertion? i have seen evidence of the exact opposite.
I have seen evidence of the exact opposite too. And yes I do have examples but I don't have time to look them up.

JK
well,........
here's a conversation that could go long enough to take the Enterprise all the way to Kelvin............if Rojan can maintain control..........


could it be stated that many ass hats are christian, but, not all christians are ass hats?.......The list on both sides will be quite long.

Can we say that of muslims? Jews ( nope, not jews, we can't say bad things about them), budhists.........Pagans (nope not Pagans........grin)...........catholics......on and on.........

That's kind of inflammatory, JK, IMHO.......of course, if that was your intent,........ carry on.........

I bet in any group of 10 people, you'll find an "uncaring person", probably less in some areas.......

So?.........
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Post by Elderberry » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:43 pm

I got some things to say about Jews too! They have all these 'rules' as far as what they can do on certain holidays and certain times, etc. But they are always looking for ways to 'get around' these rules so that their lives are not inconvenienced by them, but so that they are not 'technically' breaking them. Like they can't go outside at some certain time, so they decide that if they put a string around the area and say a prayer, they can then go outside within the stringed in area. Hell, they put a string around their entire neighborhood!!!

I saw a show on TV awhile back with all of the different contraptions they invent to be able to 'legally' violate all of the rules. Talk about hypocritical. A religion with loopholes--and you wonder how the stereotypes get started?! :roll:

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Post by ygmir » Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:02 pm

yeah, they( all religions) all sure have their "issues".........
I like the way they judge others evil for things they do themselves, couched in other terms so It's "ok"...........
If you don't believe like me, you are damned to Hell, and/or, it's ok to kill you, since, you're not even human if we don't agree...........

and, that nutty Torquemada, and, those wacky crusaders..........hahahahahaha, we love our religion...........

..................or, is that politics.........?...............

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