HOW CHICKENSHIT IS JOHN McCAIN?

[lurker]

I keep looking for the transgressions 'from the other side'.

I find things like 'voter intimidation'--but even some of those are questionable. A guy put out an ad in spanish--a handbill sorta thing--saying that it is every legal citizen's right to vote--but that non-citizens who register and vote are commiting a felony and could face severe punishment. That's the letter of the law. But it was taken as intimidation because it was called 'anti-immigrant'. And it wasn't really true, anyway--you don't face any punishment--even if you're caught. Some lefty, somewhere, will get you off.

Then there are the ones that list the wrong day as election day. Not really 'intimidation'--underhanded, certainly.

Then there's really specious ones where simply making sure everyone registered is actually qualified to vote. This is called all sorts of things--'suppression', 'disenfranchisement', 'purging'.

But I gotta say the best one is that the guy that owns Diebold is a Republican--thats the one that always brings shrieks of the fix being in--but silence when Dems win.

I haven't found any accounts of fake registrations or ballot stuffing. I haven't found any allegations of illegal electioneering.

Quite frankly, save for a few underhanded actions that may or may not have been commited by Republicans(several have turned out to be Demoncrats trying to make Republicans look bad), most of the practices that Republicans engage in seem to be completely legal--and only frustrating to those trying to have people vote illegally.

[Elderberry]

I remember, I think it was the last election, when they were talking about bringing in people from other countries to monitor our elections for fairness. I was so totally offended. Our country had free and fair elections. Our country was promoting free and fair elections 'democracy' around the world. It was our country that monitored other countries' elections. But I am extremely sad to say that it might have actually come to that.

Add to it that we now do pre-mptive invasions of other soverign nations and condone torture; what do we stand for anymore?

Here's a clip of McCain speaking at an ACORN rally. He and the GOP were huge supporters of the organization. I don't know why the "liberal" media hasn't brought this to anyone's attention.

Skip about 2/3 of the way through to see McCain's part in this.

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JK

[ygmir]

I remember, I think it was the last election, when they were talking about bringing in people from other countries to monitor our elections for fairness. I was so totally offended. Our country had free and fair elections. Our country was promoting free and fair elections 'democracy' around the world. It was our country that monitored other countries' elections. But I am extremely sad to say that it might have actually come to that.

Add to it that we now do pre-emptive invasions of other soverign nations and condone torture; what do we stand for anymore?

Here's a clip of McCain speaking at an ACORN rally. He and the GOP were huge supporters of the organization. I don't know why the "liberal" media hasn't brought this to anyone's attention.

Skip about 2/3 of the way through to see McCain's part in this.

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JK

yeah, would have been good to have monitors when Sanchez "defeated" Dornin in Orange county............
I'm sure there are many examples, especially more local type elections, where stuffing and fraud take place.........
What else would we expect, in a society that values winning over anything else. Don't let rules or morals stand in your way to victory.........A lot of it, IMHO, can be attributed to entertainment and sports, in that cheating, aberrant behavior, outright criminal activity, steroids, etc, are glorified....and rewarded with great success and notoriety..........

Do you think posting a video of McCain speaking at an ACORN rally will change anyones mind?.........

Yeah, the pre-emptive invasion thing.........
are you totally against it as a tool/policy?
torture.....I dunno..........on one hand, if torturing someone would save lives of my people, I might be ok with it. But, the question is: does it work? Mostly, probably not. But, I think at times it probably does.

If I had to watch a video of Osama tied to a board, getting his "short hairs" plucked one at a time until he said who he's targeting next, or, some poor south African being "necktied" by Mandellas ANC, it'd be tough........so, I guess it's easy to pontificate from my, or our, remote position.

I'd see chemical means working better, get 'em stoned and laughing, they'll tell you anything........

It's not like our not "torturing" "enemies" will stop them from torturing "our people"...........
As in the Geneva convention, which, has been thrown out the window.......

[lurker]

Sorry, jkisha, no. That's not an ACORN rally--that's a rally in support of Comprehensive Immigration Reform that ACORN, among quite a few others helped put on.

I encountered some of those 'observers'--Germans. What a bunch of ignorant assholes--they didn't even really understand how our elections work. One actually complained that people were being stopped from electioneering. Idiots.

But Democrats invited them in.

And treated their own country like it was some third world dictatorship.

And just before the 2000 election Democrats got the mayor they installed in Miami unseated--by ACTING like a ballot-stuffing third world dictatorship.

Go figure.

[lurker]

Torture works. And all governments will continue to use it--no matter what they say publically. Sad, but true.

Anyone who says it doesn't does not understand the process. They say that people will say anything under torture. They fail to understand that the statements made under torture, unless it's being used for brainwashing purposes, are checked.

They also fail to understand that people who are actually tortured, again, unless it's being used for brainwashing purposes, don't generally survive after their information turns out factual. Letting a torture subject live would be crueller than killing them--plus, dead men tell no tales.

So you can go on denying that you USE torture--and even deride others for using it.

[Elderberry]

A lot of it, IMHO, can be attributed to entertainment and sports, in that cheating, aberrant behavior, outright criminal activity, steroids, etc, are glorified....and rewarded with great success and notoriety..........

Yup, when people care more about Movie and Sports stars. It still amazes me that our President or our Doctors or Teachers are paid less than these so-called 'stars'. I guess it just reflects what we value most in this country.

Do you think posting a video of McCain speaking at an ACORN rally will change anyones mind?.........

No, but I thought I'd put it out there. lurker seems to think this isn't McCain actually supporting ACORN, though I thought I got this info from Huffington Post; so I'm not really sure of it's credibility any longer.

Yeah, the pre-emptive invasion thing.........
are you totally against it as a tool/policy?

you had to ask. ok, here I go. first, if we are going to do it, I think we would need credible intelligence. second, I would not send troups. I give the country a warning to stop doing whatever it was that we felt was such a threat to our country and let them know that if they did not stop we would drop one nuclear bomb and wipe their entire country off the map. I think we'd only have to do that once.

so, since that option would obviously be not acceptable to many, I would say that we should then take the preemptive invasion option totally off the table--all or nothing at all.

There is one other option I have entertained--which is quick in and out surgical strikes. Certainly I think that could be much more effective than having 200,000 troups on the ground occupying a nation.

torture.....I dunno..........on one hand, if torturing someone would save lives of my people, I might be ok with it. But, the question is: does it work? Mostly, probably not. But, I think at times it probably does.

If I had to watch a video of Osama tied to a board, getting his "short hairs" plucked one at a time until he said who he's targeting next, or, some poor south African being "necktied" by Mandellas ANC, it'd be tough........so, I guess it's easy to pontificate from my, or our, remote position.

I'd see chemical means working better, get 'em stoned and laughing, they'll tell you anything........

I think the chemical method might be acceptable, i.e. sodium pentathal. I don't think physical torture works though, if it were me and they kept torturing me for information and I didn't know anything, I'd start saying anything I could think of to have them stop.

It's not like our not "torturing" "enemies" will stop them from torturing "our people"...........
As in the Geneva convention, which, has been thrown out the window.......

does that really matter? do two wrongs make a right? we need to decide what we stand for and stand by it.

JK

Hey, I didn't know Nevada County was in California; we're neighbors!

[lurker]

Jkisha, if you watch the whole video it lists the organizations who are sponsoring the forum. ACORN is one of 11--and there's an interesting bit there--when the emcee says ACORN a woman on the dais folds her hands in her lap, though she claps for others.

Now, if the Huffpo, said it was an ACORN sponsored event, that'd be accurate--but misleading. You could as easily say it was sponsored by the Catholic Archdiocese of Miami. Also true--and misleading.

Finally, the forum is no secret, the Dems lauded McCain for it at the time--because he was doing that 'crossing the aisle' thing he brags about. Republicans already loathe that he supported that bill.

[lurker]

does that really matter? do two wrongs make a right? we need to decide what we stand for and stand by it.

Sadly, that doesn't enter into it.

This whole debate over torture is a lie. We HAVE decided what we stand for, and we will stand by it--as will everyone else. This entire issue is nothing but posturing.

Even if we ALL make strict laws forbidding torture, we'll all still torture if the need arises.

[Elderberry]

does that really matter? do two wrongs make a right? we need to decide what we stand for and stand by it.

Sadly, that doesn't enter into it.

This whole debate over torture is a lie. We HAVE decided what we stand for, and we will stand by it--as will everyone else. This entire issue is nothing but posturing.

Even if we ALL make strict laws forbidding torture, we'll all still torture if the need arises.

Yes, that is sad.

JK

[ygmir]

yeah, JK, it's interesting, how the president (regardless of who it is and what you think about him), doctors (although, the Hippocratic oath, IIRC, disallows receiving money for service), etc., gets paid WAY less than an often illiterate wanna be gangster who has "moves"......
I don't know that the pay reflects our national values directly, so much as our consumerism and the money advertisers will pay to manipulate us.......

your response to the preemptive response thing is interesting to me:
I agree with most of it. But, would submit, that if your ideas were perpetrated by a right wing president, you'd be screaming...........but, if Clinton bombs an aspirin factory, it was a measured response........

your "surgical strikes" thing, is a good idea, but, do you remember Carters attempt at micro managing one in Iran?............
and, I can't see a surgical strike working in Iraq or Afghanistan, if you are referencing these conflicts directly. Perhaps the "all or nothing" scenario you suggest.

The problem with a warning before a devastating strike, is, it gives them time to prepare...........If going that far, how about do it, and then, explain. If the explanation is clear, others will understand and fear it more.........

I wasn't excusing or promoting torture while referencing the Geneva convention. my point was, that shouldn't be why we reject it, as far as considering other nations or conventions and rules........

yeah, we are kind of neighbors.....I think you're about 500 miles south.......but, we do get to suffer here together........hahahaha

[Isotopia]

Is ANYONE concerned with all this vote fraud stuff? I just saw a video in some college site called palestra.net or com or something, that showed how members of this voter registration group called Vote from Home, while registering people in Ohio, also registered themselves--and recieved absentee ballots--even though they do not live in Ohio.

Haven't seen the video.

What I have seen are stories like this which usually slip in a specific group/class of people ('illegals', 'blacks', 'latinos', 'people from the local projects', etc.) which is, in essence, 'code.'

What I think though can't prove is it all sets the stage for resentment and festering by the side that loses. In this case John McCain which is going to have a nice, warm steaming shit pie pushed into his face the day after the election.

Of course, the victory will be framed as a close match. Hell, just might be close enough that we can blame them spics/niggers/fags/jews/liberals for stealing the election.

Stay tuned. PM me if you're interesting in taking bets on this little prediction of mine.

[Isotopia]

Oh, and in case anyone missed the Rude Pundit's take on the last debate allow me to cut-and-paste some of the better political observations....

What Obama Should Say (Rude Version), Part 3:

If, at tonight's debate at Hofstra, John McCain mans up and actually attacks Obama on Bill Ayers, and the Democratic candidate doesn't say, "Goddamn, Johnny Maverick, you don't know what everyone else knows. It's over, motherfucker. Whether you wanna admit it or not, it's over. Put this cocksucker in the history books and scribble down, 'Landslide' next to it, 'cause, unless you find me in bed with a dead white boy, it's finished. Now, you need to decide how you wanna walk to the guillotine. You can go up to that platform, put your head down nice, and accept your fate, go out with a little honor. Or you can be a punk ass bitch and try to run away or cry or punch the guards or piss yourself. But either way, man, your fuckin' stringy-haired head is comin' off.

"You know why you're done? Because everyone's fucking tired of the Vietnam War. Not only that, but the Vietnam War doesn't fucking matter anymore to most of the people in the country. It's passed its political expiration date, motherfucker, and that means your story doesn't matter. And Ayers doesn't matter. None of the same fuckin' arguments hold water. We got our own goddamned war and our own goddamned ripped-up and shattered vets filling the VA hospitals. It means you're not as fuckin' special as you once were, Maverick Man. So shove your bullshit about Ayers up your ass. Forty years ago might not seem like that long to you, but to most people, it's a fuckin' lifetime.

"You lost, man, you lost because all the shit you been shoveling into a giant pile has finally tipped over and covered you in turds. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. Right here, right now, I'm take out this skull. You see it? You know whose skull it is? It's Ronald Reagan's. And now I'm gonna take out my dick and fuck his skull, right in his eyehole where his lying-ass twinkling eyeballs used to be. Watch me fuck the Gipper's skull, man, watch me turn it into my bony bitch. Damn, that was good fuckin'. And then, once I'm president, I'm gonna get Milton Friedman's skull and fuck the shit out of that. And I'm gonna get William Rehnquist's skull and fuck it. And then I'm gonna get William F. Buckley's skull, even if it's still got meat on it, and I'm gonna fuck it in the mouth. I'm gonna skull fuck all those people who turned this country into a bullshit version of what it was. Shit, I'm gonna fuck Dick Cheney's skull while he's still using it, maybe get Joe Biden to double team it with me, fuckin' his skull until his poisoned fuckin' heart explodes.

"And as for you, Johnny Maverick? No, I won't skull fuck you. But, shit, you're not calling out motherfuckers who say they wanna kill me? What kind of pussy are you? You know we gotta work together. But you're gonna spend a little time suckin' dicks, mine and Biden's, and you can call 'em 'my friends,' 'cause you're gonna know 'em well. See, with 60 Democratic senators, you and Lieberman can form your own party of smug fuckers who have outlived their usefulness.

"Oh, and I'll be sending some badass motherfuckers from my Justice Department to Alaska to fuckin' anal probe and prosecute the fuck out of Little Miss Sarah and her trailer trash husband," then the debate will be worthless.

[Elderberry]

I don't know that the pay reflects our national values directly, so much as our consumerism and the money advertisers will pay to manipulate us.......

Either way, isn't the reflection the same?

your response to the preemptive response thing is interesting to me:
I agree with most of it. But, would submit, that if your ideas were perpetrated by a right wing president, you'd be screaming...........but, if Clinton bombs an aspirin factory, it was a measured response........

I don't think this is true. I would have (and wanted) Bush to do this. Last time I checked, he's pretty right wing; and pretty dumb too, but I digress.

your "surgical strikes" thing, is a good idea, but, do you remember Carters attempt at micro managing one in Iran?............
and, I can't see a surgical strike working in Iraq or Afghanistan, if you are referencing these conflicts directly. Perhaps the "all or nothing" scenario you suggest.

I am not a military expert on this, and surgical strikes in Iraq or Afghanistan 'after the fact' certainly wouldn't work; but I would think that if we put enough money into training our special forces/marines/seals/etc. intensively for these types of missions and put additional money into improving intelligence; the chances of them successfully completing their missioins would be significantly better than past attempts.

The problem with a warning before a devastating strike, is, it gives them time to prepare...........If going that far, how about do it, and then, explain. If the explanation is clear, others will understand and fear it more.........

I think they actually deserve the warning; how much preparation can you do to be ready for your entire country being anialiated anyway? And I don't want to be unfair, everybody deserves a chance clean up their act. But this will never happen, so it doesn't really matter discussing the minutia of it anyway.

yeah, we are kind of neighbors.....I think you're about 500 miles south.......but, we do get to suffer here together........hahahaha

Are you anywhere along the way to Las Vegas or San Francisco? If we don't meet before next year; I'm certainly going to look you up on the Playa. My partner and I just had lunch with littleflower today; turns out she lives about 5 blocks away from us. Small world.

JK

[Elderberry]

Obama Bucks



http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stor ... 67d4a.html

JK

[ygmir]

oh, you card...........hahahahahahaaha

[lurker]

Saw that Obamabucks thing on a few conservative sites--with the header 'Thanks a lot, morons'. What is wrong with people?

What I have seen are stories like this which usually slip in a specific group/class of people ('illegals', 'blacks', 'latinos', 'people from the local projects', etc.) which is, in essence, 'code.'

Stories like this? Do you mean saying that they're registering illegals illegally? I don't get what you mean. I've been looking for Republican vote fraud now for years--and all I ever really come up with is vague things like claims of 'intimidation', 'suppression', 'purging'--and the usual canard that it's somehow 'racist' to want someone to prove that they're a citizen when they register

And, quite frankly, I see a lot of talk about 'code words'--without a whole lot of evidence. Usually, the talk comes from someone who is presupposing racist or bigoted attitudes on a particular group of people(in other words, someone who is actually BEING a bigot--hey, maybe that's it--maybe they think that, since THEY'RE bigots, everyone is--they just hide it with 'codes').

What I think though can't prove is it all sets the stage for resentment and festering by the side that loses. In this case John McCain which is going to have a nice, warm steaming shit pie pushed into his face the day after the election.

And the fact that there's a lot of really blatant fraudulent registering--and possilby voting--going on--aided and abetted by the Obama camp--doesn't bother you at all?

Of course, the victory will be framed as a close match. Hell, just might be close enough that we can blame them spics/niggers/fags/jews/liberals for stealing the election.

Here's my worry, and I voiced it in the last election too--that the Dems are lying to themselves. And the media, is repeating those lies. And the polls are skewed. And they're telling each other that Obama has a commanding lead---when he really doesn't.

They did this last time--but not anywhere near this scale.

I can't help but notice the stridency of their rhetoric--'this election is already over'(hey, didn't they get Hillary to shut down the voting at the DNC convention because it was 'already over), 'McCain is getting very unpopular', 'Obama has a 14 point lead'. It's like they're trying to convince us.

And I wonder what their internals look like. I wonder if, behind the scenes, just like last time, they're seeing a McCain win--and they're getting scared.

Some prominent Dems have promised riots if Obama appears to have a lead in the polls and McCain wins.

Are they afraid of those riots? Are they afraid that it's all gonna come unglued when people actually vote and the 'sure thing' that they've been talking about turns out to have been not so sure after all? It happened with Kerry....thank god rich white liberals don't riot.

[ygmir]

some may be counting on rioting.............for a whole different set of reasons......

nope, I'm not cynical......or distrusting of the PTB.........

[littleflower]

Here's my worry, and I voiced it in the last election too--that the Dems are lying to themselves. And the media, is repeating those lies. And the polls are skewed. And they're telling each other that Obama has a commanding lead---when he really doesn't.

They did this last time--but not anywhere near this scale.

I can't help but notice the stridency of their rhetoric--'this election is already over'(hey, didn't they get Hillary to shut down the voting at the DNC convention because it was 'already over), 'McCain is getting very unpopular', 'Obama has a 14 point lead'. It's like they're trying to convince us.

And I wonder what their internals look like. I wonder if, behind the scenes, just like last time, they're seeing a McCain win--and they're getting scared.

Some prominent Dems have promised riots if Obama appears to have a lead in the polls and McCain wins.

Are they afraid of those riots? Are they afraid that it's all gonna come unglued when people actually vote and the 'sure thing' that they've been talking about turns out to have been not so sure after all? It happened with Kerry....thank god rich white liberals don't riot.

lurker ... i have been wondering about this too. this morning there is a poll of likely voters (gallup, i believe) that has obama 49%, mccain 47%.

then there is all of the racist stuff, like the guy who apparently yelled "kill him!" when palin mentioned obama at a rally ... the reporter seems to be the only person who heard the guy. i also wonder if those race baiting idiots at mccain/palin rallies were just plants...

democrats are very vocal about republicans stealing elections, but r's are very suspicious of d's as well ... it just doesn't get reported ...

it's pretty damned scary

[Elderberry]

And, quite frankly, I see a lot of talk about 'code words'--without a whole lot of evidence.

Barack "Husein" Obama is code. Who is Barack Obama is code. He's not like us is code. I could go on and on, but if you don't see it, you never will.

And the fact that there's a lot of really blatant fraudulent registering--and possilby voting--going on--aided and abetted by the Obama camp--doesn't bother you at all?

I saw an interview on MSNBC yesterday of one of the people that was doing all that fraudulent registering. So, I will give you my 'take' on this. Nothing is based on facts, just my impression after seeing this moron talk and hearing what he said.

I think that ACORN hired a bunch of illerate and not too bright people to go out and register voters. These people were paid per name. So, they just made up the names so that they could make more money without having to work.

I don't think this is right, but I don't think it was any conspiracy either. It was just some dumb employees working piece work for signatures that thought they could beat the system and get paid for it. I'm sure the person I saw getting interviewed couldn't think beyond his 10 cents per signature or whatever they got paid.

Again, this is just my opinion, and based on what I saw, it makes perfect sense to me.

Here's my worry, and I voiced it in the last election too--that the Dems are lying to themselves. And the media, is repeating those lies. And the polls are skewed. And they're telling each other that Obama has a commanding lead---when he really doesn't.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. The Obama campaign is shaving a minimum of 5% off all the polls and not taking anything for granted. They are now starting to really talk about the so called "Bradley effect" and are doing all they can to not become complacent and are taking nothing for granted.

Obama has learned his lessons well from previous campaigns.

JK

OH and what' the deal with "Joe Plumber"? It's turning out that he doesn't have a plumber's license, owes back taxes; so I guess that even if Obama would cost him more money in taxes he wouldn't worry because he dosen't pay them anyway. And, btw, he wouldn't have had to pay more tax. I think McCain faux paux.

On a lighter note, I did find McCain totally entertaining and charming at the charity banquet last night. If he would have projected that persona throughout his campaign I don't think Obama would have pulled out so far ahead.

JK

[lurker]

Here's more to scare you.

Read these political threads and you'll notice something.

I know MCains got flaws--I didn't want him to be the candidate. There's a whole buncha stuff I simply cannot stand about the man. And I say so.

But I don't see that coming from the other side--oh, they'll chime in happily with things like 'they're ALL gonna screw ya', but you never see them admitting the problems on the left--you don't see them admitting that twenty years in a racist church is VERY questionable. That giving money to the same organization that's being investigated and busted all over the country for vote fraud is questionable--that having WORKED for that group--including IN the voter registration area is a red flag.

They're happy to show that government is bad by pointing out offenses from the right--but those SAME offenses, when perpetrated by someone on the left. pass with nary a whisper.

That's scary. It's groupthink. It's the closed ranks and minds of a frightening agenda.

We can talk, and even agree on some--even many issues. But they can not seem to see that their guys are saying one thing and doing another--or that the other thing that their guy is doing is highly restrictive of their most basic freedoms--it's as if they accept it because he couches it in the proper rhetoric.

That's scary.

[Elderberry]

Here's more to scare you.

Read these political threads and you'll notice something.

I know MCains got flaws--I didn't want him to be the candidate. There's a whole buncha stuff I simply cannot stand about the man. And I say so.

But I don't see that coming from the other side--oh, they'll chime in happily with things like 'they're ALL gonna screw ya', but you never see them admitting the problems on the left--you don't see them admitting that twenty years in a racist church is VERY questionable. That giving money to the same organization that's being investigated and busted all over the country for vote fraud is questionable--that having WORKED for that group--including IN the voter registration area is a red flag.

They're happy to show that government is bad by pointing out offenses from the right--but those SAME offenses, when perpetrated by someone on the left. pass with nary a whisper.

That's scary. It's groupthink. It's the closed ranks and minds of a frightening agenda.

We can talk, and even agree on some--even many issues. But they can not seem to see that their guys are saying one thing and doing another--or that the other thing that their guy is doing is highly restrictive of their most basic freedoms--it's as if they accept it because he couches it in the proper rhetoric.

That's scary.

Sounds more like paranoia to me. I don't trust anyone that tries to malign the press.

Between posting on this board, watching MSNBC, PBS, CNN, reading several major papers and all of the fact check web sites; I'm going broke. I'll be glad when this election is over so I can concentrate on my job again; but meanwhile, I think I'm pretty well informed about both sides and me thinks you make too much ado about nothing.

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

That's scary. It's groupthink. It's the closed ranks and minds of a frightening agenda.

The Dems are just tired of losing to Bush and his like.
Some people understand black anger and some are terrified by it.

[lurker]

Barack "Husein" Obama is code. Who is Barack Obama is code. He's not like us is code. I could go on and on, but if you don't see it, you never will.

Code for what? That he's black? Are the photos of him code too?

Are they code for their similarity to Muslim names--the 'terrorists'? And he's got 'friends' who are unrepentant terrorists? Who needs a 'code'?

First of all, I've gone on about the 'black' issue--that's a lefty problem. Dems have to worry about some of their own fingering their white hoods and wondering how it got to this--not Republicans. Republicans just have to vote for the guy with the 'R' after his name...just like they always do.

And you CAN'T go on and on--all this 'code' crap comes from your side--and it presupposes that the people listening to Republicans are racist or bigoted--which IS bigotry. And it pretends that those listeners are so stupid that they need someone to slip them the notion that 'hey--this Obama guy, he's black'.

This race should have told you idiots that this code thing is bogus--but, like all crappy leftist ideas, you'll hold on to it until it kills you.

I saw an interview on MSNBC yesterday of one of the people that was doing all that fraudulent registering. So, I will give you my 'take' on this. Nothing is based on facts, just my impression after seeing this moron talk and hearing what he said.

I think that ACORN hired a bunch of illerate and not too bright people to go out and register voters. These people were paid per name. So, they just made up the names so that they could make more money without having to work.

I don't think this is right, but I don't think it was any conspiracy either. It was just some dumb employees working piece work for signatures that thought they could beat the system and get paid for it. I'm sure the person I saw getting interviewed couldn't think beyond his 10 cents per signature or whatever they got paid.

Got to Palestra.net--there are quite a few stories about people who ARE NOT illiterates.

But, y'know what? I'll bet you'll find an excuse for what they've done. Anything. Someone could undermine the entire voting process and I suspect you'd be okay with it if your guy got in.

I don't think you have anything to worry about. The Obama campaign is shaving a minimum of 5% off all the polls and not taking anything for granted. They are now starting to really talk about the so called "Bradley effect" and are doing all they can to not become complacent and are taking nothing for granted

.

I don't think you understand. Based on the shrillness of the rhetoric, I'm starting to wonder if he has any real lead at all.

Just look--that Joe guy asked a question about taxes, Obama promised socialism--which didn't go over well, and now the Thought Police are working to destroy this man. For asking a question.

[lurker]

Sounds more like paranoia to me. I don't trust anyone that tries to malign the press.

I'm not talking about the press--I'm tslking about you guys.

And, in your quest for information, you might save yourself some money(?) if you'd wander onto the right side of the blogosphere every now and again. Balance, y'know.

Besides, if Obama gets in, it'll disappear--and then you'll never get to se the wild conservative in his natural habitat. I suggest Daily Pundit.

[Elderberry]

Give it a rest already lurker. Just site back and turn on Rush Limbaugh and take an Oxycontin and relax as you watch McCain go down in flames and Obama being inaugurated as our next president.

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

Wasn't there an incident at a Pride Parade years ago, where some people had a "voter registration" booth, and threw away all the forms after they were filled out?

[Elderberry]

Wasn't there an incident at a Pride Parade years ago, where some people had a "voter registration" booth, and threw away all the forms after they were filled out?

Don't remember, but certainly that would be a pretty good way of doing it--probably no way to trace who set up the booth and the people that thought they had registered wouldn't have found out until it was too late.

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

Not that I am suggesting anything illegal. It's probably too late to hit any tractor pulls or pro wrestling matches.

[Elderberry]

Not that I am suggesting anything illegal. It's probably too late to hit any tractor pulls or pro wrestling matches.

I think the North Carolina State Fair is having a tractor pull today.
JK

[Apollonaris Zeus]

McCain is fuckin funny!

trailing 8-12 points in national polls, he states with unlimited fantasy:

"We've got obama right were we want him!"

Hey, this isn't baseball in mid season and 4 games behind. It's two games behind in the world series!

And what about those Red Soxs


AIIZ