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Post by Elderberry » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:52 pm

That little man has a history....

I was a member of another board where the moderator used to be a prankster--especially if you posted something he didnt quite agree with. So one day I logged on and my avatar was changed to that little man.

So, just to piss him off, I decided to keep it; and I've used it ever since--it's always the conversation starter! :lol:

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Post by goathead » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:01 pm

jkisha wrote:That little man has a history....

I was a member of another board where the moderator used to be a prankster--especially if you posted something he didnt quite agree with. So one day I logged on and my avatar was changed to that little man.

So, just to piss him off, I decided to keep it; and I've used it ever since--it's always the conversation starter! :lol:

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Post by dr.placebo » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:23 pm

Re: Calif. gay marriage ban backers target businesses

Apparently at least one business is returning the favor. Apple has endorsed "no" on prop 8. From their site:
Apple is publicly opposing Proposition 8 and making a donation of $100,000 to the No on 8 campaign. Apple was among the first California companies to offer equal rights and benefits to our employees’ same-sex partners, and we strongly believe that a person’s fundamental rights — including the right to marry — should not be affected by their sexual orientation. Apple views this as a civil rights issue, rather than just a political issue, and is therefore speaking out publicly against Proposition 8.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:49 pm

just Think, all of this could have been different had she the forethought to carve an "O"....
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:57 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:just Think, all of this could have been different had she the forethought to carve an "O"....
It would be easier to do in a mirror without misspelling it.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:57 pm

lurker wrote:now if the 'little man' was in a boat......
would that not require "yodeling in the gully?".........
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:56 pm

Fox News says that it's over for John MaCain.
Can we pull together as a nation now?

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Post by littleflower » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:00 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:Fox News says that it's over for John MaCain.
Can we pull together as a nation now?
yeah, i expect the republicans to snuggle up to obama just like all the democrats snuggled up to bush.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:37 pm

I love the term "loyal opposition"......it's really how I'd like it to be.

UD:
you ask for that, but, do you lead by example?
Careful not to ask for what you won't give, is all I'm sayin'..........

I do note, over the years I've observed this "political arena" we live in, that, the left takes defeat harder and with greater animous and vitriolic resentment than the right.......as though they've been personally attacked or injured somehow, almost like attacking their religion......

The right, in defeat, almost in a passive/aggressive stance, seems to quietly work against anything the left wants, and undermine it at all costs........

different styles, same results..............

Maybe it's human nature to want our perceived conqueror/nemesis to fail, to illustrate how we are "right" and they are "wrong", and, "they" only won through subterfuge or other nefarious means.......but, we seem to do it at the expense of ourselves.........

I'd think, if it's good, it's good......stand up for it, whatever it is.........

Whoever gets elected, will be my president:
I can for certain state that I will agree with very little of what he says, and, believe even fewer of his promises:
But:
I will support whatever I see in that administration that I perceive to be of benefit and positive outcome.
and, as respectfully as possible, voice my disagreements as well.

Politics is not my life, just a small part of it. I don't like to take it very seriously, since, nothing stays the same, and, mostly, it doesn't matter anyway.........

My local county supervisor has more direct influence on my life than my president.........and, I see it that way..........

so there...........
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:36 pm

Your buddy Bibi; http://www.rense.com/general83/fate.htm Maybe the most dangerous man in the world.
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Post by ygmir » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:42 pm

can't sit still wrote:Your buddy Bibi; http://www.rense.com/general83/fate.htm Maybe the most dangerous man in the world.
Wasn't there a "Benjamin Netanyahu"?...........

So much trouble seems attached to Israel...........WTF?.........(rhetorical question)........
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:18 pm

Don't get me started. I don't understand why the U.S. allows us to be held hostage by them...and I'm sure if it wasn't for the religious right having their own agenda; we'd not be defending them as we do.

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Post by ygmir » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:31 pm

*holding pedal to the floor, pulling choke, pushing "start" button*.......

ah, c'mon JK...........
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:56 pm

The crux of the problem is that easy-going people don't fight and grasp for power. The middle east is a hard land and it breeds hard people. I've traveled around there by road, spent a week in Jerusalem,,, went to Damascus, Amman, Cairo and a few others. The israelis are a tough bunch. According to the "Bell Curve" they're also the smartest.
We're just trusting and laid back. What other country would allow dual-citizenship people in the highest places of GOV.
We got lazy, comfortable and complacent. The ass-kickers came in and grabbed the show. They've been persecuted for all of history. It wouldn't be a stretch to ask why.
The Amish, Mormons and Mennonites don't seem to have this problem.
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Post by ygmir » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:10 pm

can't sit still wrote:The crux of the problem is that easy-going people don't fight and grasp for power. The middle east is a hard land and it breeds hard people. I've traveled around there by road, spent a week in Jerusalem,,, went to Damascus, Amman, Cairo and a few others. The israelis are a tough bunch. According to the "Bell Curve" they're also the smartest.
We're just trusting and laid back. What other country would allow dual-citizenship people in the highest places of GOV.
We got lazy, comfortable and complacent. The ass-kickers came in and grabbed the show. They've been persecuted for all of history. It wouldn't be a stretch to ask why.
The Amish, Mormons and Mennonites don't seem to have this problem.
interesting, and good info, thanks.

I think a lot of high intellect folks are quite laid back, not thinking they need to worry about the others.....and that's how they've lost power and influence..

I note how so often, a "group" that may start off well intentioned, gets taken over by extremist or aggressive types, and, the original intent is lost to their will, because, they are more willing to use force to get their way......


Can you expand on the dual citizenship in gov. idea? I understand the concept, but, are there examples?
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:06 pm

Here's a good paper on the subject. http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
Not too surprisingly, there is a special exemption for israelis.
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:19 pm

can't sit still wrote:Here's a good paper on the subject. http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
Not too surprisingly, there is a special exemption for israelis.
Actually, this was very surprising to me. I would bet that this is not 'common knowledge' to most Americans.

We are way to friendly with Israel for my comfort; and I don't think any 'dual citizen' should be allowed to hold positions like those listed in that article. WOW! What an eye-opener for me.

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Post by ygmir » Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:31 am

jkisha wrote:
can't sit still wrote:Here's a good paper on the subject. http://www.viewzone.com/dualcitizen.html
Not too surprisingly, there is a special exemption for israelis.
Actually, this was very surprising to me. I would bet that this is not 'common knowledge' to most Americans.

We are way to friendly with Israel for my comfort; and I don't think any 'dual citizen' should be allowed to hold positions like those listed in that article. WOW! What an eye-opener for me.

JK
that is good info, thanks.
I'm with you JK..........seems, at times, we're the USA for Israel........USAI, I guess......
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:06 am

Syria slams deadly village raid as US 'war crime'

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DAMASCUS (AFP) — Syria protested vehemently on Monday over what it said was a US attack on a border village that left eight civilians dead, with the official press branding it a "war crime."

"The American forces from Iraq committed cold-blooded murder," the government newspaper Tishrin wrote. "They committed a war crime in killing eight Syrian civilians in a quiet village."

Official media reported that American helicopter-borne troops from Iraq launched an assault on a building site Sunday in the village of Al-Sukkiraya, which lies just eight kilometres (five miles) from the border.

The US military in Iraq said in a statement it does not have "any information" on the the incident, which if confirmed would be the first of its kind into Syrian territory.

Damascus has summoned the official US and Iraqi representatives in protest, the official SANA news agency said, describing the dead as a father and his four children, a couple and another man.

Syrian state television broadcast pictures of the scene, showing a building site with bloodstains on the ground, and the bodies of victims lying in the morgue.

"Four American helicopters violated Syrian airspace around 1645 (1445 GMT) on Sunday. American soldiers attacked a civilian building under construction and fired at workmen inside, causing eight deaths," official media said.

"Syria condemns and denounces this act of aggression and US forces will bear the responsibility for any consequences," SANA quoted an unidentified official as saying.

"Syria also demands that the Iraqi government accept its responsibilities and launches an immediate inquiry following this dangerous violation and forbids the use of Iraqi territory to launch attacks on Syria."

Foreign Minister Walid Muallem is due in London for a visit on Monday.

"This American aggression illustrates the stupidity of the administration of (US President George W.) Bush," Tishrin said. "The Bush administration must acknowledge the war crimes it has committed in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria."

In Washington, a Pentagon spokesman Commander Darryn James said there was "no response" from the US Department of Defence.

The Iraqi defence ministry has also refused to comment.

US commanders say Syria is the main transit point for foreign jihadists crossing into Iraq and have blamed Damascus for turning a blind eye to the problem but Iraqi officials have said Syria has been boosting border security.

Al-Sukkiraya is on the Euphrates river across the border from the Iraqi town of Al-Qaim, a stronghold of Al-Qaeda and other insurgents. US commanders have regularly said the area around Qaim is a transit point for foreign fighters.

"I heard shooting, I ran to get my son and they shot me," one woman lying in a hospital bed told Syrian state television in footage aired on Monday.

"I was fishing and I saw four helicopters. They started shooting like the rain," said another man, his arm in a bandage. "I saw eight soldiers coming out (of a helicopter) with weapons... I tried to flee and I was hit."

Last month, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani told Bush that Iran and Syria -- long targets of US blame over the deadly unrest in the country -- no longer pose a problem.

However, on October 16 Iraqi forces arrested seven Syrian "terrorist" suspects at a checkpoint near the city of Baquba, a hub of Al-Qaeda fighters, the Iraqi defence ministry said.

Syria's first ambassador to Iraq in 26 years took up his post in Baghdad this month, marking the official end of more than two decades of icy relations.

On September 28, US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice confirmed she had met her Syrian counterpart to discuss Middle East peace efforts despite renewed criticism from Washington over Syrian policies.

Their talks came after Bush slammed Damascus in an addresss to the UN General Assembly, saying regimes like Syria and Iran "continue to sponsor terror."

Washington has also accused Damascus of failing to give adequate cooperation to the International Atomic Energy Agency in its investigation into a mystery facility bombed by Israel in September last year that US officials have charged was a nuclear plant.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:08 am

Now lets see where this goes and if yall get your election this year.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:17 am

Oh wait, now THERE IS a confirmation.

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A US official has confirmed that Special Forces carried out a raid inside Syrian territory on Sunday, targeting fighters staging attacks in Iraq.

Syria said the soldiers attacked a house in a farming area near the town of Abu Kamal, about 8km inside the border with Iraq.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:23 am

if the fact is that people cross from Syria into Iraq and attack our troops, should they not be followed back and be prosecuted?
Should we stop at the border and just hope they call first next time?
Seems the same with Pakistan.

I'd think, if you're at war (I'm not trying to debate the war itself), then, you do what you gotta do to survive and win. Especially the poor people on the front lines, just trying to survive in a place they may rather not be.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:25 am

Actually, that's not the point.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:38 am

oh, sorry.
I can be dense...........
will you elucidate?
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:52 am

I keep forgetting how dense you are.
But since you are smart enough to ask me to elucidate, lets.

Lets say we go with what you are already brainwashed to believe:
ygmir wrote:I'd think, if you're at war (I'm not trying to debate the war itself), then, you do what you gotta do to survive and win. Especially the poor people on the front lines, just trying to survive in a place they may rather not be.
That is the common answer stupid people usually like and it's simple to understand. Easy for a sucker to believe and an excuse commonly used by the Military. Oh and yes, Bush and this administration have used this excuse plenty of times, so it's very well embedded into the minds of those that aren't too much into thinking for themselves. Lets just say that's the next excuse Bush uses.
Could be a great setup to start a new war with Syria/Iran and declare Martial law here in the states.
It can be done in 2 weeks time.

But hey, I'm just wasting my time typing away anyway right, since I am sure you will have some kind of feedback that does not agree with what I have just here posted.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:04 am

DVD Burner wrote:I keep forgetting how dense you are.
But since you are smart enough to ask me to elucidate, lets.

Lets say we go with what you are already brainwashed to believe:
ygmir wrote:I'd think, if you're at war (I'm not trying to debate the war itself), then, you do what you gotta do to survive and win. Especially the poor people on the front lines, just trying to survive in a place they may rather not be.
That is the common answer stupid people usually like and it's simple to understand. Easy for a sucker to believe and an excuse commonly used by the Military. Oh and yes, Bush and this administration have used this excuse plenty of times, so it's very well embedded into the minds of those that aren't too much into thinking for themselves. Lets just say that's the next excuse Bush uses.
Could be a great setup to start a new war with Syria/Iran and declare Martial law here in the states.
It can be done in 2 weeks time.

But hey, I'm just wasting my time typing away anyway right, since I am sure you will have some kind of feedback that does not agree with what I have just here posted.
how could you forget how dense I am, I illustrate it constantly........ :D

I do understand what you say, at the highest levels of military/government. And, agree it may be used as an excuse for further actions.....certainly, I'm sure, it's been used many times in the past, for different conflicts, different administrations.........
I also know the groundwork for martial law has already been set, I think 2 weeks is generous......I was referring to the scenario that if it was as simple as a ground commander telling his guys to "go get 'em", and, they did.

I don't think your typing is wasting time.

And, so what if I disagree with you? And, so what if I have feedback?
Isn't that what we're doing, discussing?
For me, a good discussion can be had between parties in disagreement, especially if it's civil..........
Exchange of ideas is a great learning tool, at least for me, and, I need lots of learnin'...........
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:11 am

Point taken.

The excuse is still a weak one.
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Post by ygmir » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:13 am

I concur
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:00 am

Fight terrorism with terrorism.

It worked with Libia!

or its Halloween, put them all in a Saw movie due for release next year.

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Post by Elderberry » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:17 am

The sad thing is that this is all political. There was no need invade Syria when they did. If it were so important it would have been done months ago. Just another stratigic mistake in prosecuting the war and another hail mary for the McCain campaign--all at the expense of American blood and treasure. Shame on both Bush and McCain.

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