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[Simon of the Playa]

i think that history, or herstory, will vindicate my opinion of That Bush and his utter failure as commander in chief.

a total, unequivocal, disgrace.


and CHENEY? he'll be roasted over the coals as well, although most of the evidence has been shredded or locked away under the guise of state secrets.


me personally, i hope cheney walks into a denney's with a faulty microwave oven and croaks face down in the salad bar.

Drowned in the Russian dressing. God's funny that way.

[littleflower]

as always, JK, you do not know nearly as much as you think you do ... nor did you understand what i was saying in that post ... but that is part of your charm....

we all know that there are a lot of lies out there. someday we will probably know who is telling them, and you may be right, simon. i suspect we both have some very interesting sources...

[Elderberry]

There is nothing charming about me!

JK

[littleflower]

[lurker]

As expected, being unable to refute, DVD casts aspersions at the source

But what if there are more sources?

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /-1/NEWS02

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 91519.html

Public financing?---the text is dark for some reason...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17043002/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/1 ... 08018.html

But hey, I understand. Far better to happily accept the collar you've chosen than to fight it.

[Elderberry]

Just using the figures from the Toledo Blade article that makes the percentage of violations 0.15614285714285714285714285714286 % of the 1.4 million contributions (including the 1,400 foreign contributors) they investigated. (If my math is correct.)

Hmmm....seems pretty trivial to me....might say that they are creating a 'tempest in a teapot' so to speak.

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

Losing is hard to take, isn't it?

[Simon of the Playa]

obama 364, mccain 174

[Elderberry]

obama 364, mccain 174

And a mandate by popular vote too!

JK

[can't sit still]

Articulate; http://dirtyharrysplace.com/?p=4913

[goathead]

obama 364, mccain 174

So you going to become a sheep here soon?



Somehow I just don't see you sitting at the camp fire holding hands singing
Kumbya

[DVD Burner]

As expected, being unable to refute, DVD casts aspersions at the source

But what if there are more sources?

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... /-1/NEWS02

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 91519.html

Public financing?---the text is dark for some reason...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17043002/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/1 ... 08018.html

But hey, I understand. Far better to happily accept the collar you've chosen than to fight it.

HEY LURKER Check this out man:



Tuesday, November 4, 2008
Today's Polls and Final Election Projection: Obama 349, McCain 189

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/ ... ction.html


It's Tuesday, November 4th, 2008, Election Day in America. The last polls have straggled in, and show little sign of mercy for John McCain. Barack Obama appears poised for a decisive electoral victory.

Our model projects that Obama will win all states won by John Kerry in 2004, in addition to Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, Florida and North Carolina, while narrowly losing Missouri and Indiana. These states total 353 electoral votes. Our official projection, which looks at these outcomes probabilistically -- for instance, assigns North Carolina's 15 electoral votes to Obama 59 percent of the time -- comes up with an incrementally more conservative projection of 348.6 electoral votes.

We also project Obama to win the popular vote by 6.1 points; his lead is slightly larger than that in the polls now, but our model accounts for the fact that candidates with large leads in the polls typically underperform their numbers by a small margin on Election Day.

This race appears to have stabilized as of about the time of the second debate in Nashville, Tennessee on October 8th. Since that time, Obama has maintained a national lead of between 6 and 8 points, with little discernible momentum for either candidate. Just as noteworthy is the fact that the number of undecided voters is now very small, representing not much more than 2-3 percent of the electorate. Undecided voters who committed over the past several weeks appear to have broken roughly equally between the two candidates.

Our model forecasts a small third-party vote of between 1 and 2 points total; it is not likely to be a decisive factor in this election except perhaps in Montana, where Ron Paul is on the ballot and may garner 4-5 percent of the vote.

Any forecasting system is only as good as its inputs, and so if the polls are systematically wrong, our projection is subject to error as well. Nevertheless, even as we account for other cycles in which the polling numbers materially missed the national popular vote margin (such as in 1980), a McCain win appears highly unlikely. It is also possible, of course, that the polls are shy in Obama's direction rather than McCain's, in which case a double-digit win is possible.

Nor does McCain appear to have much chance of winning the Electoral College while losing the popular vote; in fact, our model thinks that Obama is slightly more likely to do so. McCain diverted many of his resources to Pennsylvania, a state where he narrowed Obama's margins somewhat, but which our model concludes that Obama is now virtually certain to win. This may have allowed Obama to consolidate his margins in other battleground states, particularly Western states like Colorado and Nevada to which McCain has devoted little recent attention.

Thank you for placing your trust in FiveThirtyEight.com over the course of the past several months. We hope that you will join us both on the website and on HDNet tonight, where I'll be providing election coverage for Dan Rather's team. FiveThirtyEight intends to continue to apply our unique approach to politics after the election, and we hope to have several announcements about our future plans in the coming days and weeks.

[DVD Burner]

awww maaan! you guys beat me to it.

Shit!

[dr.placebo]

Obama is winning all Kerry states. McCain has no chance to win CA, OR, WA, NV, or HA.

Ohio has been called for Obama.

It's over. Obama wins. If he gets any of FL, NC, MO, or VA it's gravy.

I can breathe now.

[DVD Burner]

As expected, being unable to refute, DVD casts aspersions at the source

[Simon of the Playa]

the right man for the job won resoundingly. Wow.

and as far as me being a sheep Mr. Goathead, that will never happen.

I also dont think the racial overtones of the KumBaya comment are appropriate.

I'm proud of America, are'nt you?


now lets get down to the real business at hand....how are we going to make a bigger fireball than crude awakening this year?

[goathead]

the right man for the job won resoundingly. Wow.

and as far as me being a sheep Mr. Goathead, that will never happen.

I also dont think the racial overtones of the KumBaya comment are appropriate.

I'm proud of America, are'nt you?


now lets get down to the real business at hand....how are we going to make a bigger fireball than crude awakening this year?

We will see won't we.

Mr. Goathead? Sooo, am I a teacher now? LMAO
And here all this time I have considered you the Master of Snarky.
I will admit I have been concerned about you lately though.

Yeah, Whatever the name of that fucking song is. I didn't know it had any racial overtones, just democratic ones.

Always have been.


Now that would be FUN....


I know,
FUCK MY DAY

[Simon of the Playa]

no, i use the term Mister out of Respect.

You're a burner, I'm a burner, most of us on these boards are burners, and i know that's what makes these discussions so interesting and fun.



now lets all get together and see if we cant somehow come up with a way to get a dumptruck full of fruit cocktail out to the playa, for the good of the nation.

[ygmir]

seems there's material for a joke in there,,,,,,,not to PC, though......hahhaha

you double entendre master you........

[Elderberry]

We won!

Unfortunately Prop 8 passed, so now the attorneys will get busy and file the injunction.

Because of that, the day was sort of bitter-sweet. It's ironic that the strongest supporters of Prop 8 were MINORITY WOMEN.

JK

[ygmir]

and therein lies the problem with propositions.........

why should the court decide?
If it's the will of "the people", why is it not ok?

If the people are wrong, then, educate them and make an opposing prop. on the next ballot. If the majority agree, it'll pass.........

It seems so much of the left wing agenda has come from the courts....and, is implemented by same............

I voted no on 8, because, I think it is not the business of government to tell anyone how to live within their own universe, minding their own business.........

[Elderberry]

and therein lies the problem with propositions.........

why should the court decide?
If it's the will of "the people", why is it not ok?

If the people are wrong, then, educate them and make an opposing prop. on the next ballot. If the majority agree, it'll pass.........

It seems so much of the left wing agenda has come from the courts....and, is implemented by same............

I voted no on 8, because, I think it is not the business of government to tell anyone how to live within their own universe, minding their own business.........

Because if it were "up to the people to decide" Obama would have still have been a slave and not the President elect.

Often what the people want is not what the law/constitution requires; therein lies the beauty of our three branch government system.

Does that answer your question?

JK

[Lorgasm]

Thank you and Congrats Obama.

I can now say that I am sooo fuckin proud to be an American. Way to go Prez.



Peace,
Lorgasm

[lurker]

why should the court decide?
If it's the will of "the people", why is it not ok?

Because they're all about 'Power to the People' when the people do what they want-never otherwise. They will find a way to pass what they want no matter what the people say--but I feel that the people will soon only appear to be saying what they want.

They have the Administrative and Legislative branches, and half the judicial. They have a complicit media, and control of academia.

Freedom and Liberty are fighting an uphill battle against a heavily armored fortress..

Think we'd be enjoying a McCain gloatfest had he won? No. We'd be tied up in as many courts as they could find to take the case to.

And DVD, who STILL cannot refute a word I said/cited, thinks he's got a reason to say 'in your face'--Obama winning doesn't make you any less of an idiot, DVD--sorry.

And here's a funny thing....Obama took Ohio by about 200,000 votes--and the Reps in Ohio sued to make the Dem secretary of state verify some ballots they said were tainted.

About 200,000 of them. But don't worry. Republicans are stupid. No one will ever take a real hard look at any voting irregularities anytime soon--and by the time someone thinks to, it'll probably be irrelevent--or illegal.

Like most people, I see a good side to this election. I see that white people are willing to vote for a black person to head our country--and that's good. Perhaps the stain of racism has washed away a bit.

Unlike many, I am filled with hope, but they are not good hopes. I hope Obama isn't the socialist monster his actions show him to be, I hope the nation can survive a full on lefty assault.

Negative hopes.

And now, we wait.....

[Elderberry]

Oh geez, give it up already lurker. We won, get over it. Get with the program!!!!

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

It was all McCain could do to control the mob from shouting for Obama's "Arab" blood. God, that made me love the Republican philosophy so much.

^
(Post above is meant to be ironic.)

[ygmir]

and therein lies the problem with propositions.........

why should the court decide?
If it's the will of "the people", why is it not ok?

If the people are wrong, then, educate them and make an opposing prop. on the next ballot. If the majority agree, it'll pass.........

It seems so much of the left wing agenda has come from the courts....and, is implemented by same............

I voted no on 8, because, I think it is not the business of government to tell anyone how to live within their own universe, minding their own business.........

Because if it were "up to the people to decide" Obama would have still have been a slave and not the President elect.

Often what the people want is not what the law/constitution requires; therein lies the beauty of our three branch government system.

Does that answer your question?

JK

nope.
I don't think if it were up to the people, there would still be slavery (were Obamas direct ancestors slaves?). Most people were not slave owners. And, I'd like to think as people realized the inequity of slave ownership, they'd have undone it anyway.......
(we can debate the nuances of slavery, as it existed, somewhere else).

I understand the technicalities, I think, of your reference. What I was saying, though, is: Why, if the majority of people, in a free country and election, want something, is it not ok?..........

I also understand the protecting the rights of the minority part.......
and, celebrate that, among many things, in our system.

A lot of my argument is based on it's not the governments business to tell us how to live...........again, within our own universe, not harming others...........

[Elderberry]

Yes, it was an attempt at illustrating "the US Constitution protects minority rights against majority will"

The problem with the marriage thing is that the license is issued by the state, not the church. The church can do whatever it wants; but as soon as it is a state issue, then what appies to one must be applied to all. Period.

We deserve the same opportunity to get divorced as anyone else.

If it weren't for religion getting involved, this would not be the issue. Seperation of church and state, remember?

Blacks couldn't marry whites; hispanics couldn't marry whites; Asians couldn't marry whites; all of these were 'laws' that were overturned by the courts, as will same sex marriage.

So, I could ask the same question of you: Why in a free country should anyone care who I want to marry and tell me how to live? The government is not, in this case telling you how to live your life, it is telling you that you cannot tell me how to live my life.

JK

[Ugly Dougly]

WASHINGTON—After emerging victorious from one of the most pivotal elections in history, president-elect Barack Obama will assume the role of commander in chief on Jan. 20, shattering a racial barrier the United States is, at long last, shitty enough to overcome.

Although polls going into the final weeks of October showed Sen. Obama in the lead, it remained unclear whether the failing economy, dilapidated housing market, crumbling national infrastructure, health care crisis, energy crisis, and five-year-long disastrous war in Iraq had made the nation crappy enough to rise above 300 years of racial prejudice and make lasting change.

"Today the American people have made their voices heard, and they have said, 'Things are finally as terrible as we're willing to tolerate," said Obama, addressing a crowd of unemployed, uninsured, and debt-ridden supporters. "To elect a black man, in this country, and at this time—these last eight years must have really broken you."

Added Obama, "It's a great day for our nation."

Carrying a majority of the popular vote, Obama did especially well among women and young voters, who polls showed were particularly sensitive to the current climate of everything being fucked. Another contributing factor to Obama's victory, political experts said, may have been the growing number of Americans who, faced with the complete collapse of their country, were at last able to abandon their preconceptions and cast their vote for a progressive African-American.

[ygmir]

Yes, it was an attempt at illustrating "the US Constitution protects minority rights against majority will"

The problem with the marriage thing is that the license is issued by the state, not the church. The church can do whatever it wants; but as soon as it is a state issue, then what appies to one must be applied to all. Period.

We deserve the same opportunity to get divorced as anyone else.

If it weren't for religion getting involved, this would not be the issue. Seperation of church and state, remember?

Blacks couldn't marry whites; hispanics couldn't marry whites; Asians couldn't marry whites; all of these were 'laws' that were overturned by the courts, as will same sex marriage.

So, I could ask the same question of you: Why in a free country should anyone care who I want to marry and tell me how to live? The government is not, in this case telling you how to live your life, it is telling you that you cannot tell me how to live my life.



JK

I agree, you should marry whomever you want.
I don't see a place in government to say otherwise.

yes, telling me that I can't tell you........but, the mechanism is the government........we agree. hooray..