Clean kills ruin less meat, more venison for the tummytheCryptofishist wrote:I hope it was a clean kill.motskyroonmatick wrote: I gave that deer as much as I could but at the last second it hesitated and thwack. Poor little sucker.
I can't wait to go out bow hunting again, myself.Sail Man wrote:Clean kills ruin less meat, more venison for the tummytheCryptofishist wrote:I hope it was a clean kill.motskyroonmatick wrote: I gave that deer as much as I could but at the last second it hesitated and thwack. Poor little sucker.
Mmmmm
Reminds me, deer season opens in 3 days, time to sight in the rifle
I knew this guy from Colorado when I was in the army that said he used to fuck chickens when he was a kid.Ugly Dougly wrote:I like ducks too.cullen wrote:I did always prefer the two legged animals myself.jkisha wrote:That was a LOL moment.
BTW do wild animals of the two legged variety count? I saw plenty of them on the playa!
JK
You drank four bottles of Wild Turkey?!wedeliver wrote:I am not commenting on anyones choice in activities, just something I have noticed. When "we" bow hunt the animal seems to not die as quickly as when shot with a bullet. I would wish to avoid seeing the suffering and its been hard this year as lots of game abound. Even a local flock of 5 wild turkeys is now down to 1, but thats a different story.
I hope you didn't drive afterward! Heck, here in Michigan that's kinda like a prerequisite before heading out to your blind.BAS wrote:You drank four bottles of Wild Turkey?!
They used to let the workers at the Stroh's brewery sample the goods during the day.........ygmir wrote:must be why Mrs. Wonder's always schnockerd when in Detroit..........Sail Man wrote:Heck, here in Michigan that's kinda like a prerequisite before heading out to your blind.BAS wrote:You drank four bottles of Wild Turkey?!
BAS wrote:You drank four bottles of Wild Turkey?!wedeliver wrote:I am not commenting on anyones choice in activities, just something I have noticed. When "we" bow hunt the animal seems to not die as quickly as when shot with a bullet. I would wish to avoid seeing the suffering and its been hard this year as lots of game abound. Even a local flock of 5 wild turkeys is now down to 1, but thats a different story.
Surprisingly, few hunters get whacked by other "medicated" hunters. But still, I prefer to stay on private land.Ugly Dougly wrote:Ah, no driving, just shooting a firearm, nothing dangerous-like.Sail Man wrote:Heck, here in Michigan that's kinda like a prerequisite before heading out to your blind.BAS wrote:You drank four bottles of Wild Turkey?!
Let's not be shy about it--a spade is a spade.Sail Man wrote:
WeDeliver, I've never bow hunted, but I think a poorly placed shot from either arrow or slug is going to cause an equal amt of pain, and usually necessitates tracking the animal down to administer the kill shot.
Perhaps the reason animals seem to suffer more from bow hunters (which I really respect more as a art form or survival thing) but the bow hunter gets to the squirming body and can't administer a kill shot. That is what bothered me was watching the bow hunter standing around while the deer was dieing. I am sure there are other hunters who could have addressed it, but your going to get a bit dirty using a knife on a big buckand you might get hurt. You can't use a firearm to kill the buck, and 2 or 3 arrows might not kill the animal very fast. I might have the wrong perspective here, and I actually would like to hunt with my either my crossbow or my compound, but it seems that way to me.Sail Man wrote:Surprisingly, few hunters get whacked by other "medicated" hunters. But still, I prefer to stay on private land.Ugly Dougly wrote:Ah, no driving, just shooting a firearm, nothing dangerous-like.Sail Man wrote: Heck, here in Michigan that's kinda like a prerequisite before heading out to your blind.
WeDeliver, I've never bow hunted, but I think a poorly placed shot from either arrow or slug is going to cause an equal amt of pain, and usually necessitates tracking the animal down to administer the kill shot.
No, its job is to stay alive as long as possible and to have as many offspring as possible. Do you think nature cares if the deer lives or dies, whether the wolf eats or starves.ygmir wrote:and, that's it's job, as a prey animal......
OH yeah, so, how would you respect it? IMHO, honoring it's sacrifice is the highest respect you can give............you wanna lay flowers around it? Not kill it, but, hire some slaughter house monkey to kill a cow, or whatever, in a holder for you?theCryptofishist wrote:No, its job is to stay alive as long as possible and to have as many offspring as possible. Do you think nature cares if the deer lives or dies, whether the wolf eats or starves.ygmir wrote:and, that's it's job, as a prey animal......
If you want to respect your kill, don't think that its fucking job is to provide for you.
That's an interesting and valid point. Not having bow hunted before I'm not aware of the legality of carrying a sidearm to administer the kill shot And I would think that a big ole buck sporting a nice rack (heh heh I said nice rack) would not take to kindly to somebody wrassling with it and trying to slit it's throat, so yes, the potential for injury is def. there, not to mention prolonging the suffering. I'm all for a clean quick kill, which is why I'm heading up to Gander Mtn shortly to get a new scope, and get it bore sighted. While I'm not an avid and frequent hunter, I do believe in upholding the rights to do so, and certainly enjoy the meat it puts on my table.wedeliver wrote:Perhaps the reason animals seem to suffer more from bow hunters (which I really respect more as a art form or survival thing) but the bow hunter gets to the squirming body and can't administer a kill shot. That is what bothered me was watching the bow hunter standing around while the deer was dieing. I am sure there are other hunters who could have addressed it, but your going to get a bit dirty using a knife on a big buckand you might get hurt. You can't use a firearm to kill the buck, and 2 or 3 arrows might not kill the animal very fast. I might have the wrong perspective here, and I actually would like to hunt with my either my crossbow or my compound, but it seems that way to me.Sail Man wrote:Surprisingly, few hunters get whacked by other "medicated" hunters. But still, I prefer to stay on private land.Ugly Dougly wrote: Ah, no driving, just shooting a firearm, nothing dangerous-like.
WeDeliver, I've never bow hunted, but I think a poorly placed shot from either arrow or slug is going to cause an equal amt of pain, and usually necessitates tracking the animal down to administer the kill shot.
For discussion shake i offer this thoughtygmir wrote:OH yeah, so, how would you respect it? IMHO, honoring it's sacrifice is the highest respect you can give............you wanna lay flowers around it? Not kill it, but, hire some slaughter house monkey to kill a cow, or whatever, in a holder for you?theCryptofishist wrote:No, its job is to stay alive as long as possible and to have as many offspring as possible. Do you think nature cares if the deer lives or dies, whether the wolf eats or starves.ygmir wrote:and, that's it's job, as a prey animal......
If you want to respect your kill, don't think that its fucking job is to provide for you.
It's job, in reference to species, is, as you describe.
it's job in nature is to be eaten...........or at least that's the lot they draw.
nope, my point is, sympathy is purely human............nothing wrong with that, but, in nature, it matters not........
As I said, give thanks for the bounty of the kill............no shame for the animal, it did what it does..........
that is respect. To acknowledge the sacrifice made so you can eat.
Hunting is primal......even if some of us deny it or choose to disregard it.
buying food is just removing yourself from the reality of nature.
I have no problem with not choosing to hunt. I don't hunt any more, but, did..........
Perhaps what you are saying is that KILLING is primal. (who could argue that). so either way just because something is primal does that make it bad?Hunting is primal
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree......wedeliver wrote:For discussion shake i offer this thoughtygmir wrote:OH yeah, so, how would you respect it? IMHO, honoring it's sacrifice is the highest respect you can give............you wanna lay flowers around it? Not kill it, but, hire some slaughter house monkey to kill a cow, or whatever, in a holder for you?theCryptofishist wrote:No, its job is to stay alive as long as possible and to have as many offspring as possible. Do you think nature cares if the deer lives or dies, whether the wolf eats or starves.
If you want to respect your kill, don't think that its fucking job is to provide for you.
It's job, in reference to species, is, as you describe.
it's job in nature is to be eaten...........or at least that's the lot they draw.
nope, my point is, sympathy is purely human............nothing wrong with that, but, in nature, it matters not........
As I said, give thanks for the bounty of the kill............no shame for the animal, it did what it does..........
that is respect. To acknowledge the sacrifice made so you can eat.
Hunting is primal......even if some of us deny it or choose to disregard it.
buying food is just removing yourself from the reality of nature.
I have no problem with not choosing to hunt. I don't hunt any more, but, did..........
quotePerhaps what you are saying is that KILLING is primal. (who could argue that). so either way just because something is primal does that make it bad?Hunting is primal
Living things in the world might become food for another species (or even their own) but that doesn't make it their job, or anythings job to support another group.
With that type of thinking it would be ok if Aliens had planted humans here on earth and harvested us as they needed us. And it would be our job to supply them with us. I tell my cows, "It's your job to stay healthy and get really fat so I can sell you for the most money" "Now get to work you fat cow!"
Perhaps we should change our diet to not include animals. Vegi or Vegan.
And the primal urge to hunt can be filled by hunting with a camera.
(now this comes from a kid raised on Mcdonalds, killed dozens of animals for a number of reasons that all had lots of RESPECT as I showed who was boss. No problem in nameing and raising a turkey and still showing thanksgiving when I chew the tender meat.)
