Transit System? YES OR NO

John Deere · Post by **John Deere** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:30 am

Since the other tread on the transit system has become a good thread, lets see the yes's and no's for it!!!

motskyroonmatick · Post by **motskyroonmatick** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:46 pm

Imagine all the people you could pull around with a John Deere 4555. The dual rear tire four wheel drive version of course.

Post by **mdmf007** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:20 am

Why not drag em around a D9 cat? oughta be able to drag a couple thousand easy.

cullen · Post by **cullen** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:21 am

catapult and an airbag.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 7:25 am

Lickshaws.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:00 am

Human Cannonball Camp!
"Center Camp? Certainly, right away... step right in!"
And even better, when some ass puppet needs to be ejected, a little unannounced re-aiming takes care of it.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:59 am

Transporter Beam.

"Crypto, lock onto my coordinates, 1 to beam to the Booby Bar."

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 3:17 pm

YES or NO for the OP (John Deer) putting together a Transit System rather than putting the idea to a vote like some 'wish list' to be laid at the feet of the BMORG.

( ) YES
( ) NO
( ) As a theme camp
( ) Burning Man Ran

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:20 pm

How about just making the city smaller in area, and more foot friendly, rather than spreading it farther apart every year?

Oh riight-- because the organizers zip around in golf carts and pickups, and don't care about what it's like on foot or bike.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:09 pm

They don't expand it every year.
It seems like everyone keeps missing the real point; it WASN'T that much bigger, it was the shitty conditions this year that made travel difficult. It would have still sucked with last year's map.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:56 pm

because the organizers zip around in golf carts and pickups,

well steve, after many years of trial and error, Roller Blades have been deemed ineffective for cross playa travel....

you can still wear the short shorts if it will make you feel better.

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:26 pm

Short shorts do make me feel better! But a sarong works even better.

You're right, CD, they don't make it bigger every year, but they did make everything farther apart this year. Which is odd in a city where they are trying to discourage motorized transport and encourage peddle and foot power.

I'd like to see the streets closer in, and add a big wide boulevard at what would be the new D or E street, (Where A was this year?) wide enough to have art installation all along the center of it.

I think it would be cool, and fun.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:38 pm

Well you're wrong. It wouldn't be cool, or fun.

Steven bradford · Post by **Steven bradford** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:28 pm

All righty then.

bigbluedoggy · Post by **bigbluedoggy** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 9:48 pm

After following the other thread on this and thinking about it a bit, I vote No for a mass transit system. First off, we're supposed to be self reliant. Second, the BMORG isn't likely to take this upon themselves as they have plenty of other things to do without creating mass transit. Third, it's way too much for one camp or group to take on something as mundane as regularly scheduled transit service. It would be a totally thankless job. If you're shuttle runs late, people will be all pissed off. If you don't go where they want, they will be all pissed off. If you run over their foot, they will be all pissed off, and will probably try to sue you. Feh... let em walk!

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:58 pm

Well, I voted for it as a theme camp, even though I doubt it will happen.

I also don't think that the questions were asked correctly-- the last two should have been combined with the "Yes"-- i.e.

Should there be a transit system?

No

Yes, as a theme camp

Yes, run by Burning Man

In any event, it would be rather difficult for a camp to set up (would it be one main camp and a bunch of satellite camps set up around the city?), as well as reasons cited by bigbluedoggy, and I don't see the BMORG doing for the reason bigbluedoggy stated above.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:19 am

If there isn't going to be transport, the city needs to be a reasonable shape for pedestrians.
A pacman pie has been suggested and a full circle.
A square or rectangle would work.
I suggested wings jutting out from the main city for the loud camps.

With the number of people, it is more practical to do something than not to.
I wonder how much of the lesser art on the playa has to do with many people never seeing it?

I also mentioned the gridlock of bikes in certain places on the esplanade.

Many people coming from a great distance find it very difficult to arrange for even a bike.

How many cars coming from a thousand miles or further away are carrying bikes instead of someone else that really wanted to go?

How many projects get tabled in favor of the space and expense of carrying bikes?
You might have enjoyed some of what didn't show up.

It's easy to trivialize this when you don't travel far.
Maybe it's your loss too, though.

It's seems incredibly stupid to me not to do something about this.
It is very cost efficient at this point, maybe profitable even.

I was told a few years ago that there are more people coming from other countries than east of the mississippi.
I wonder if this is getting worse or better?
I would suggest that a lot of art and creativity is being missed because of this loss of participation.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:20 am

But a sarong works even better.

you just confirmed your hippy status to me.

WALK, YOU LAZY BASTARDS

and for those that cant, then by all means, ride, and in style, with less traffic.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:27 am

This is just like politician's promises to provide and give... we'll all pay for it in taxes, in this case ticket prices.

Who doesn't bring bikes because one more person wanted to ride with them? Does that extra person get strapped on the roof where the bikes would have been instead?

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:31 am

Does that extra person get strapped on the roof where the bikes would have been instead?

actually, Capt. in 1996, the answer to that was "yes"....Shaun Irons (RIP)

his demise was many years after, so dont start.....and we used the SOFT bungees to tie him down too.

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 5:52 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Well you're wrong. It wouldn't be cool, or fun.

Damn Captain!!

I think your short shorts are too tight and cutting off circulation to your brain

Personally I like the idea of a mid-city blvd like Steve suggested, for the placement of smaller art installations.

John Deere · Post by **John Deere** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 10:55 am

[quote="BAS"]Well, I voted for it as a theme camp, even though I doubt it will happen.

I also don't think that the questions were asked correctly-- the last two should have been combined with the "Yes"-- i.e.

Should there be a transit system?

No

Yes, as a theme camp

Yes, run by Burning Man

In any event, it would be rather difficult for a camp to set up (would it be one main camp and a bunch of satellite camps set up around the city?), as well as reasons cited by bigbluedoggy, and I don't see the BMORG doing for the reason bigbluedoggy stated above.[/quote]

I agree I should have put these together. I seen that and went to change it and someone had already voted.

I would love to do this and put it together if I had all the resources. Of course the big cost is finding the tram that would work to carry a good amount of people.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:05 pm

Voluntary mutant vehicle "ArtCarTM" rideshare.

brcprincess · Post by **brcprincess** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:19 am

My vote goes to more rain in 2009 so we can get a nice crust on the Playa and do some decent bike riding.

I would support a transit system if the Playa was un-rideable due to thick dust, which it mostly was this year.

I would have loved a transit system this year. The lack of mobility out there was a real bummer.

Captain Goddammit · Post by **Captain Goddammit** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:00 am

Sail Man wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote:Well you're wrong. It wouldn't be cool, or fun.
Damn Captain!! I think your short shorts are too tight and cutting off circulation to your brain

Hope Steven bradford knew I was kidding...

Anyway, I want to take on the mass transit issue. I propose a subway!

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:21 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:
Sail Man wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote:Well you're wrong. It wouldn't be cool, or fun.
Damn Captain!! I think your short shorts are too tight and cutting off circulation to your brain

Hope Steven bradford knew I was kidding...

Anyway, I want to take on the mass transit issue. I propose a subway!

Hmmm, what about a series of canals? We could be the "Venice" in the desert. Heyyy! Remember that lighted boat parade I was talking about?

BAS · Post by **BAS** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:22 pm

I want a magnetically levitate monorail built on top of pylons, high over the desert, with stations accessible by escalators and elevators. The whole thing can be powered by a nuclear power plant buried beneath the Man! Yeah!

cullen · Post by **cullen** » Fri Nov 28, 2008 6:30 pm

install those movable side walks like they have in air ports that way there will be no exercise needed.

capjbadger · Post by **capjbadger** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:18 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:They don't expand it every year.
It seems like everyone keeps missing the real point; it WASN'T that much bigger, it was the shitty conditions this year that made travel difficult. It would have still sucked with last year's map.

Actually, as a Lamplighter that walked that playa every evening, I must disagree with you my friend. It was noticeably longer walks this year.

Badger

klondike_bar · Post by **klondike_bar** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:32 am

we need a fleet of snowmobiles towing toboganners across the dunes :p

helmets required

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