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Post by can't sit still » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:47 pm

"Stocks fell in Asia because of growing concerns that the weakness of emerging markets would prolong the global financial crisis.
To find a way to overcome the crisis, US President George W. Bush has called a summit of G20 leaders in the Washington area on Nov 15."
That's 3 weeks from now,,, after the election. The lamest of lame ducks is going to hold a post-meltdown party. 3 weeks from now, it's going to be so bad, maybe they'll make it a blanket party :twisted:
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:56 am

its also earning report season. The big companies that dominate their markets are reporting profits as they should be. Its the other companies that losing money of which are 2:1.

The stock markets reflects the future earnings. With all the layoffs, reduced future earnings and now OPEC cutting output, the market must reflect in prices. So if the economy is the same as it was in 2000 then that is where the bottom lies.

I see a good time to buy the mid to long hold after the earning report season is over next month when no news is always good news and a small bubble is formed. I would give that bubble about 2,500 pnt gain and sell off near that peak then short sell the market for the ride back down after 4 months when earning reports reflect actual losses.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:34 am

back in 2003 or 4, the stock exchange board changed the rules against the little guy or Joe the plumber. There was a concern that people that do multiple intraday trading of the same stock: in other words, buying and selling the same stock multiple times in the same day were the cause of high volatility along with being able to manipulate stock prices.

So what did they do to stop it. They raised the amount of cash that a stock trader needed in their portfolio to $25,000. So now the only people that can benefit from volatility are rich folks. If you were smart, like me, you can turn a few hundred bucks into a few thousand in one or two days.

The change was unjustified and our present market's volatility proves it.

Our government and it rich folks do not believe in wealth distribution or even fair competition. They want to control the rules of game such as they did with halting short sell options on financial brokerages.

Another reason why we need to see this market fall another 1,000 points so that Joe the plumber gets a fair opportunity like the McCain's of the world.

If everyone rolls their 401's into cash, we can get this market into a long term buy market. Or we can sit and watch only the rich get richer in this controlled by the wealthy market!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:46 pm

Well the market acted just as I told you it would, up for Fed discount then bam!

Down!

But we now have found something that no one realized would happen.

Its what happened to the Naz.

AIG was cooking the books!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/business/30aig.html


But that may be just one company, or are we going to find out its more prevalent industry wide problem. Some of you spoke of the Derivative Hedge Funds.

This is going to throw a major wrench into the recovery of the market!

Tomorrow, i'm selling off almost everything except my shorts and I'm not going to be alone!

It seems the Black Hole is forming...

We told you not to start the Hadron Collider!

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:25 pm

"Tomorrow, i'm selling off everything except my shorts and I'm not going to be alone! "
Shorts only,,,,, there are going to be a lot of nipples showing.

This mess originally started out as a consolidation of the small banks by the big banks. The big banks crashed the whole shiteroo and then got unlimited backing to stay in business. The plan seemed simple. Crash the banks who were not part of the club. Use your treasury backed assets to buy the portfolios of the weaker banks for a song,,,, and have the sheeple sing it for you. Since almost everything is going to crash, the big banks could buy up the whole country,,,, the part that china didn't buy.
Bear Stearns was brought down because they refused to join the club and bail out LTCM years ago. Also, the banks needed a sacrificial victim as an "earnest of intent" They had to prove that things were really bad. I just can't figure out why Lehman Bros was allowed to fail. They're one of the owners of the FED. It doesn't seem like the PTB could have lost control that early.
The FED is providing about 3/4 trillion a day to banks. Since everyone knows that the US will never be in a position to repay this,,,,,,,, it would almost seem that the FED is acting out of desperation.
This crisis was manufactured at one level to allow the strong banks to buy up good portfolios for cheap. At another level, the Rockefellers/illuminati may be yanking the chains of the banks. It seems pretty evident that the central banks have lost control.
It is not going according to plan for them. Is it going according to plan for Rockefeller?

Who has lost control and who is happy with progress???? Is this the big implementation of the big "eugenics" plan. The illuminati consider themselves to be far superior to the common man at making decisions. Their plan calls for a world population of 500,000,000 people. I just don't see it working out. Mankind just won't adapt and flourish in a command economy wrapped around a police state.

I went to East Germany before the wall came down. That kind of apathy produces nothing positive. I think the basic premise of the illuminati is flawed. It wouldn't be the first time that had happened.
If EVERYONE has lost control, we're in for a real shitstorm.

After the election the decider has 3 months to do whatever he pleases without harming his party. He attacked Syria and Russia is backing Syria. Is shithead going to start a war to insure his legacy? Is Cheney going to light things up now that an Obama win is projected?
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:22 pm

can't sit still wrote:"Tomorrow, i'm selling off everything except my shorts and I'm not going to be alone! "

Who has lost control and who is happy with progress???? Is this the big implementation of the big "eugenics" plan. The illuminati consider themselves to be far superior to the common man at making decisions. Their plan calls for a world population of 500,000,000 people. I just don't see it working out. Mankind just won't adapt and flourish in a command economy wrapped around a police state.
Ground Control to Major Tom, can you hear me Major Tom, Can you hear me Major Tom....

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:19 am

can't sit still wrote:"Is this the big implementation of the big "eugenics" plan. The illuminati consider themselves to be far superior to the common man at making decisions. Their plan calls for a world population of 500,000,000 people. I just don't see it working out. Mankind just won't adapt and flourish in a command economy wrapped around a police state.
And the world will end in 2012 (it was supposed to end in 2000 if I recall); and there will be a second coming; and the government was responsible for 9/11; and we never went to the moon....

All a bit radical, don't you think?

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Post by can't sit still » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:05 pm

This is kinda interesting;
A topic raging lately between us has been the failures to deliver USTreasurys. This extraordinary phenomenon highlights the extreme mountain of toxic bond (in)securities spewed worldwide by the corrupted US financial sector, but it also highlights the questionable legitimacy of USTreasury Bonds. The traded volume of USTBonds had been recorded a few years ago to be over $2 trillion above official issuance in USTBonds. So maybe we are seeing a redux of counterfeit issuance of USTBonds in order to satisfy unprecedented demand. By the way, USTreasury management is done, and accounting is done, handled by only one giant bank.

Could the failures to deliver USTreasurys, as shown in the alarming graphic below, be a precursor to actual default? We will see. Kirby maintains a period of tremendous hyper-inflation is coming. My forecast is for a possible USTreasury default,
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08 ... 03008.html
I wasn't aware that there were more UST bonds being traded than were issued. That could become very messy. 8)
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Post by goathead » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:16 pm

Fuck the market.

Invest in AK-47's

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Post by ygmir » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:37 pm

we can't here in the PRC...........SKS only.........
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Post by goathead » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:36 pm

ygmir wrote:we can't here in the PRC...........SKS only.........
You even have to be careful with SKS's, mine would be illegal in CA.

They would have a problem with my "golfing" equipment.

Shit for that matter my reloading room would be illegal in CA.

Man, I glad I don't live where you do.....

:D

LMAO
And some people think rednecks, "like in Nevada" are uptight.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:13 pm

Back under 8,000

Just all bed news from the credit co. and I'm glad.

Citibank had made its money from giving too much credit to those that couldn't pay and didn't lower their rates or fees for those that had income problems.

Auto Bail may not happen and it shouldn't until after they file chapter 11. We would be giving away money to those that were greedy selling over priced SUV's. The overall CAFE has gotten only worse. The unions were also greedy, but when your co is selling 60,000 vehicles I would want some of that pie too. But imagine having to pay laid off workers 90% of their original pay? fuck up is what I say!

Expect a rally tomorrow is the market gets a hint of good news, but it won't come from the hearings in DC. They may be in meeting for another week without a resolution because the auto co need bankrupcy to really reorganize!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:22 pm

Oh year I forgot that the last time we went under 8,000 we didn't end there at the end of the day but popped above.

This is the first time in six years. Nothing for the auto industry today. Maybe no big rally tomorrow, but more downward movement.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:57 pm

Well so much for the theoretical 8,000 bottom

Maybe we will see a bottom form here for a while, but I don't see one that formed in the past. I'll check the charts again.

But this is a good long term place to buy even Buffet bought at thousand above this, he'll be buying some now or you can wait to see if a bottom forms or we blow through to and into 6,000's

If so I would expect to start seeing some real munie go back into the market including alot of funds, big real estate and foreign monies.

as I said before, that would be good for that 2,500 point bubble to form and some good short term and volitile playing until the next report quarter begins and it may highly possible if the news reports are bad to head back to 6,000 and below! As soon that the bad news reports come out I would buy shorts at one of the peak's top and ride that into the lows.

I want to see you Make some money!

Or and make sure you use your own money not the houses. That way if you miss the boat, you can still hold them until your profit range returns.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:04 am

What day is it? Its...

Rally Day!!!!

No reports due today and several days of downturn on the wall street it means

Rally!

Buy at the first sign of an upturn if it didn't start aready in early trading!!

Buy anything not related to the auto, bank and finance

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:36 am

Here we go! Hold on!

Expect two to three peaks each one higher! Sell at the peak of the day near or after midday or maybe hold on to the end of the day!

I mostly sell off before the weekend since bad news like a war or something happening in the oil fields.

Then get ready to short near the peaks!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:52 am

Here's the second peak of the day!

One moe to go! then buyers beware you're on your own then!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:10 pm

Well is was a tough decision if I should sell out earlier, but the price I bought in at was so good I decided to wait and what would happen until the last hour since the market didn't seem to want to go lower. I did sell 30% of my shorts that I bought a year ago just below the peak of 14,000 when we dipped below yesterday's mark. Thought it was time to start unloading them (I'm already planning on a winter europe ski trip to the alps. Always wanted to go there.) can't be greedy!

Then someone on MSNBC said something about Obama choice for fed res chief and few positive things so. So I held on to them and sold off about half until the very last minute. Can't be greedy that's why many lose. I'm going against my usual sell all and hold none for the weekend but like I said this is a good place to be for long if bad news pops up over the weekend and it won't be until a week and a half or so until the Auto makers get any news if it be good news. If bad news does happen this week I win on the downside too.

anyway, the market is about were I thought it would end up below 8,000. If the automakers get the boot later next month, we could go to a real bottom between 6 and 7 thousand. Bubble Over sell everything you don't need and turn it into stocks cuz 16,000 is only 7 years away this time!

The street is calling this rally the "Geithner relief rally". It just shows you flaky stock market people really are.

Was it as good day for you as it was for me?

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:45 pm

Oh a good report for many of you warning about the hedge funds:

Indeed, an analysis released by Goldman Sachs found that hedge funds have reduced their stock holdings to 17 percent from 47 percent a year ago.

They too saw a fireball coming and got out of the way!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:09 pm

Bombing in India

Terrorist alert in NYC

Manufacturing Orders way down

unemployment benefits up

it should go down

but I hear brokers saying its time for a rally!

So ride it baby until it blows apart

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:33 pm

Good news today, economy was formally declared as in recession

funny you have to wait for a economist to tell you what everyone else all ready knew.

The Auto Cos are going to get a bailout this week so buy their under alued stocks at under 3 they should be around 30 to 40 in 3-5 yrs.

more reports to come out this week and it going to bad so stocks should move back under 8,000 after a week of gains

India and pakistan relation ship is going to trash so that will help lower the market. and by the end of December xmas sales will be lower then expected.

Buy your gifts after Xmas for the lowest prices of the decade!

Hoe, Hoe, Hoe everyone!

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Post by Artemis » Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:38 am

Holy crap! 4 weeks auctioned at a 0.0% yield? CDS on treasuries trading at 76.25bps!!

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Post by Artemis » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:33 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: That's really cruel!

But artemis, it so like you! Running away when other show their affection
Who's running now, buddy?

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:22 pm

did I miss something?

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Post by can't sit still » Tue Dec 23, 2008 5:51 pm

Surf's up !!! Ride the waves here! http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article7905.html
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Post by wedeliver » Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:24 pm

In view of recent Wall Street events as I re-read the following, I find a respect and admiration I didn't even think about the first time I posted this. People have started killing themselves over Madoff's rip off and here this guy quits so that he is not part of it. Did he see it coming with his drugged induced lucidity?

There is a book, "A Child's garden of Grass". This book came out in the '60s, it is about herb and the forward is written by a older woman who you would never think would indulge. The Quote I remember is something like, "before I started smoking I didn't know anyone who smoked, after I started smoking I didn't know anyone who didn't"

Ok, so you ask me and yourself, what does this have to do with the economy and things like that? Don't ask me, ask the guy below, much smarter than myself, but it sounds like he is on to something. Perhaps not for everyone but somethin' to think about.

I just had an epiphany. We all know that everything is a circle, that it just goes 'round and I guess we have come full circle to back to the days of Furry Freak Brothers and Phineas Phreak gifting that sage advice that, "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."

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wedeliver wrote:I found this to be an interesting article, hope you do also.


From the Scorched Earth Files:


Andrew Lahde, manager of a small California hedge fund, Lahde Capital, burst into the spotlight last year after his one-year-old fund returned 866 percent betting against the subprime collapse.

Last month, he did the unthinkable -- he shut things down, claiming dealing with his bank
counterparties had become too risky. Today, Lahde passed along his "goodbye" letter, a rollicking missive on everything from greed to economic philosophy. Enjoy:

Today I write not to gloat. Given the pain that nearly everyone is experiencing, that would be entirely inappropriate. Nor am I writing to make further predictions, as most of my forecasts in previous letters have unfolded or are in the process of unfolding. Instead, I am writing to say goodbye.

Recently, on the front page of Section C of the Wall Street Journal, a hedge fund manager who was also closing up shop (a $300 million fund), was quoted as saying, "What I have learned about the hedge fund business is that I hate it." I could not agree more with that statement. I was in this game for the money. The low hanging fruit, i.e. idiots whose parents paid for prep school, Yale, and then the Harvard MBA, was there for the taking. These people who were (often) truly not worthy of the education they received (or supposedly received) rose to the top of companies such as AIG, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers and all levels of our government. All of this behavior supporting the Aristocracy, only ended up making it easier for me to find people stupid enough to take the other side of my trades. God bless America.

There are far too many people for me to sincerely thank for my success. However, I do not want to sound like a Hollywood actor accepting an award. The money was reward enough. Furthermore, the endless list those deserving thanks know who they are.


I will no longer manage money for other people or institutions. I have enough of my own wealth to manage. Some people, who think they have arrived at a reasonable estimate of my net worth, might be surprised that I would call it quits with such a small war chest. That is fine; I am content with my rewards. Moreover, I will let others try to amass nine, ten or eleven figure net worths. Meanwhile, their lives suck. Appointments back to back, booked solid for the next three months, they look forward to their two week vacation in January during which they will likely be glued to their Blackberries or other such devices. What is the point? They will all be forgotten in fifty years anyway. Steve Balmer, Steven Cohen, and Larry Ellison will all be forgotten. I do not understand the legacy thing. Nearly everyone will be forgotten. Give up on leaving your mark. Throw the Blackberry away and enjoy life.

So this is it. With all due respect, I am dropping out. Please do not expect any type of reply to emails or voicemails within normal time frames or at all. Andy Springer and his company will be handling the dissolution of the fund. And don't worry about my employees, they were always employed by Mr. Springer's company and only one (who has been well-rewarded) will lose his job.

I have no interest in any deals in which anyone would like me to participate. I truly do not have a strong opinion about any market right now, other than to say that things will continue to get worse for some time, probably years. I am content sitting on the sidelines and waiting. After all, sitting and waiting is how we made money from the subprime debacle. I now have time to repair my health, which was destroyed by the stress I layered onto myself over the past two years, as well as my entire life -- where I had to compete for spaces in universities and graduate schools, jobs and assets under management -- with those who had all the advantages (rich parents) that I did not. May meritocracy be part of a new form of government, which needs to be established.



On the issue of the U.S. Government, I would like to make a modest proposal. First, I point out the obvious flaws, whereby legislation was repeatedly brought forth to Congress over the past eight years, which would have reigned in the predatory lending practices of now mostly defunct institutions. These institutions regularly filled the coffers of both parties in return for voting down all of this legislation designed to protect the common citizen. This is an outrage, yet no one seems to know or care about it. Since Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith passed, I would argue that there has been a dearth of worthy philosophers in this country, at least ones focused on improving government.

Capitalism worked for two hundred years, but times change, and systems become corrupt. George Soros, a man of staggering wealth, has stated that he would like to be remembered as a philosopher. My suggestion is that this great man start and sponsor a forum for great minds to come together to create a new system of government that truly represents the common man's interest, while at the same time creating rewards great enough to attract the best and brightest minds to serve in government roles without having to rely on corruption to further their interests or lifestyles. This forum could be similar to the one used to create the operating system, Linux, which competes with Microsoft's near monopoly. I believe there is an answer, but for now the system is clearly broken.

From Portfolio: Who Got Screwed in the Wall St. Bailout?
Lastly, while I still have an audience, I would like to bring attention to an alternative food and energy source. You won't see it included in BP's, "Feel good. We are working on sustainable solutions," television commercials, nor is it mentioned in ADM's similar commercials. But hemp has been used for at least 5,000 years for cloth and food, as well as just about everything that is produced from petroleum products. Hemp is not marijuana and vice versa. Hemp is the male plant and it grows like a weed, hence the slang term. The original American flag was made of hemp fiber and our Constitution was printed on paper made of hemp. It was used as recently as World War II by the U.S. Government, and then promptly made illegal after the war was won. At a time when rhetoric is flying about becoming more self-sufficient in terms of energy, why is it illegal to grow this plant in this country?

Ah, the female. The evil female plant -- marijuana. It gets you high, it makes you laugh, it does not produce a hangover. Unlike alcohol, it does not result in bar fights or wife beating. So, why is this innocuous plant illegal? Is it a gateway drug? No, that would be alcohol, which is so heavily advertised in this country. My only conclusion as to why it is illegal, is that Corporate America, which owns Congress, would rather sell you Paxil, Zoloft, Xanax and other additive drugs, than allow you to grow a plant in your home without some of the profits going into their coffers. This policy is ludicrous. It has surely contributed to our dependency on foreign energy sources. Our policies have other countries literally laughing at our stupidity, most notably Canada, as well as several European nations (both Eastern and Western). You would not know this by paying attention to U.S. media sources though, as they tend not to elaborate on who is laughing at the United States this week. Please people, let's stop the rhetoric and start thinking about how we can truly become self-sufficient.

With that I say good-bye and good luck.

All the best,

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:13 am

And with that, may we bury the hachett in the Corporate Greed of the DEA which has lied to America on almost every drug out there.

why the greed of Honey Potting. When you get a bit of the booty is a bust why pick it when its green when you can wait until it has flowered and the honey overflows. But don't kill the mother plant for to kill the golden goose you kill the honey pot. Let it flow into the "Bad Neighborhoods" and stop it in ours,

but let the honey flow!

Bernie Madoff made off and burnied all those that trusted him because he was of the same religion. the DEA does the same with the American public. Drugs are flowing in like never before and our officials are more corrupted. people are getting sicker from poisoned drugs.

Weed it the safest.

Bernies was allowed to continue his operations because he had people in the Federal Stock Commision that were working with him even 10 after his dealings were reported. Some will be found to be on the take.

The hedge funds are closing shop with millions of people losing their shirts. The Hedge funds investments are now less then 4% of the markets and dropping fast.

I'm just surprised at how the Dow hasn't dropped into 7,000 yet and its all because of

Greed

Have a Merry Little X-Mass

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:46 am

Somebody's got to be making money off of this....

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:33 pm

We have hit the bottom area as I predicted- remember? so I'm selectively unloading my Shorts now and buying select stocks!

Housing or banking are not part of them. I will hold those shorts for a while longer because they can still go lower. I don't expect housing to hit a bottom for a two more years. Really!

Why?

Banking stocks have about year or less when they lose their toxic investments and foreclosure properties. Most of them are still holding on to their Foreclosure properties because that is what holding up their balance sheets. Until they start selling off those properties the housing market cannot reach their Bottom- and they have millions of homes to still dump. They also do not want to sell them because that will cause the housing market to dive further discounting their property investments.

I would also advise you people that have to invest your retirement funds before the April 15th deadline to start doing that now before the Mutual funds start buying before the end of the month and some are already starting to buy. Once we get to the April deadline, the surge in investments will start a short term rally.

Note though, we could still hit the 5,000 mark but I would not wait to save a few bucks and miss the boat.

Just my point of view!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Mar 11, 2009 6:56 pm

Don't be a hog! invest now!

this is the bottom area!

The mutual funds have to put their money into stocks now. It's the law!

this little bear market rally is only the beginning of a rally that is going into May.

Don't be a pig! if you are getting a 50% co payment you are ahead of the game and the market is not going to below 2500 ever!

It's now or never!!!!

Make some money!

Bring me some beer and drugs at BM as a gift! for my help!

Donate to the boys and girls club in my honor!

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