I won't miss the Bush/Oil/War protest art!

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:23 pm

"It only turns stupid people away--people that think usually get it. (even though they may not like it)"

That's what people with no talent say when someones dares to criticize their clumsy work

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:40 pm

The problem is that if you don't have art that goes a little too far, all you have is safe art. Safe art is bland.

I agree with that statement. My own art offends Christians, vegans, Muslims, Jews, God haters, communists,and feminists. I had some eco lesbians set my house on fire a few years ago. So I have fairly good grasp about controversial work

My point is that shock value alone does not make art. Safe art is boring. But pure hate art belongs in history books. It's usually as boring as it is shallow.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:56 pm

are you suggesting that non-offensive art is always bland?

is it impossible to say something interesting without insulting someone?

i agree that copying the old masters or painting cheesy landscapes is boring ... but to limit ourselves to art that offends ... ? is there no other way?

Post by **mdmf007** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:16 pm

oil rules

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:58 pm

A beautiful form, or line or texture, material, or color contrast, when it works it works Art can still be beautiful the emotion brought to by those who experience it. Itâ€™s harder to pull of than cheep emotional content and less ego centered than the heavy handed artist approach of attempting to force others to experience His or her vision.

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:03 pm

Is that your understanding of the conservative mindset?

Please explain to us your understanding of the conservative mindset. I'm certain that your response will be as enlightening as it is unbiased (lol).

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:27 am

Arminius, welcome, i always like to see Jewish Nazi's on E-Playa.

it feels like i'm back in Tel-Aviv.

now lets go fuck with some palestinians, maybe deny them their rights. Then get a Nosh afterwards.

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:34 am

i always like to see Jewish Nazi's on E-Playa.

HaHaHa...is that a reference to my avatar of a Jewish actor pretending to to be an alien pretending to be a Nazi? Naw Judism's not for me. Only one god and no shrimp. I am more interested in opressing vegans. Maybe round some of them up and place them in re-eductaion camps and make them watch television.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:06 am

Arminius wrote:
i always like to see Jewish Nazi's on E-Playa.
HaHaHa...is that a reference to my avatar of a Jewish actor pretending to to be an alien pretending to be a Nazi? Naw Judism's not for me. Only one god and no shrimp. I am more interested in opressing vegans. Maybe round some of them up and place them in re-eductaion camps and make them watch television.

The question I have:
Where is Gill, and, how's Melakon?

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:38 am

I've alway though that art should touch the soul.

A lot of political art seems to fall into that 'get it?' category Another big segment seems to consist of representations of political talking points. And another big point seems to focus on being propagandistic.

i know political art has it's place, but the vast majority of it, to me, always feels very juvenile, very 'high school'. Even when it's beautiful, the 'message' seems to be delivered in a ham-handed way.

Though I believe that often that is not the intent.

For instance, I'm in the process of altering a 'Big Brother is Watching You' poster into a 'Barack Obama is Watching You' poster. The 'message' is all too clear....and yet....the reason I decided to do it didn't have a whole lot to do with the message. It had more to do with the nature of Obama posters I saw during the campaign. A LOT of them reminded me of soviet-style propaganda posters, and some looked like movie ads--and when I looked at my poster(which looms over my workshop) I was struck by how easily Obamas face would fit in the space where Big Brothers' face is.

So, my rationale isn't, to me, ham-handed, but the end product is.

I think the percieved cheapness and shallowness comes less from the artist, and more from the subject matter.

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:07 am

Where is Gill, and, how's Melakon?

Ek geffa ther Freyja blessun!

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:11 am

huh? sorry, I don't understand.....

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:11 am

well said, lurker ... that is my conundrum exactly ... but that is what sets the great artists apart, isn't it? to transcend the common is the trick ... and politics is pretty damn common, IMHO... generally speaking, of course...

Arminius · Post by **Arminius** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:30 am

ygmir wrote:huh? sorry, I don't understand.....

I give you the blessings of Freya

(I'm afraid it doesn't translate very well, but you can get the idea)

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:34 am

Arminius wrote:
ygmir wrote:huh? sorry, I don't understand.....
I give you the blessings of Freya

(I'm afraid it doesn't translate very well, but you can get the idea)

I thought something like that....just don't know the language.......
and, the blessings of Odin, to you........

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:47 am

Arminius wrote:
Is that your understanding of the conservative mindset?
Please explain to us your understanding of the conservative mindset. I'm certain that your response will be as enlightening as it is unbiased (lol).

No need to be offensive - unless that's the only reason you are here. Is it ok if I ask for clarification?

Show us some of your playa art! I am sure it will provoke interesting discussion. Do you have a link?

Boijoy · Post by **Boijoy** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:23 am

Kenny Z · Post by **Kenny Z** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:44 am

I have come to learn that whining and complaining IS an artform.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:07 am

Kenny Z wrote:I have come to learn that whining and complaining IS an artform.

=expression.

Kenny Z · Post by **Kenny Z** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:24 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:
Kenny Z wrote:I have come to learn that whining and complaining IS an artform.
=expression.

Art = expression, no? But then again, arguing semantics are just about as fun (and effective) as arguing politics!

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:04 am

Lurker=Arminius.

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:54 am

Nah, I woulda gone for 'Armus'--that black slime monster that killed Denise Crosby on Star Trek. I'mean, c'mon, who doesn't like black slime, am I right?

And I don't like sock puppets, they're not expressive enough, y'know? Silicone or latex, with a lot of good detail points you can move around to add to the realism.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:01 am

yeah, you are probably right....actually, you of all people should know.

i dont wear socks either, whether it's in the default world or here.

it's a fashion statement, and a shallow one at that, i know...BUT..

i noticed a trekkie smell to him that i immediately linked back to you via my "CLOUDY" computing system.

it's ok, i have a cousin who actually named his first child after an obscure S.T. character.

hint....it begins with a "Z"

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:15 am

which Star Trek? original, or, one of the "others".........

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:22 am

lurker wrote:Nah, I woulda gone for 'Armus'--that black slime monster that killed Denise Crosby on Star Trek. I'mean, c'mon, who doesn't like black slime, am I right?

And I don't like sock puppets, they're not expressive enough, y'know? Silicone or latex, with a lot of good detail points you can move around to add to the realism.

ya gotta say which Star Trek. \

Being a "purist" i was chagrined not to remember a black slime monster.......
I ended up googleing to find it was not from that series......

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:48 am

Not Zephram Cochrane?

And, Ygmir, I did say Denise Crosby--she's TNG.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:40 am

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:42 am

Terrific Nude Girl.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 9:54 am

I love those......