ok,
I'm posting this for DVD............
I wish I knew how to post it directly here, sorry about using a link.
http://www.tv.com/video/15055/dances-wi ... _summary;v
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I LOVE Boston Legal. And that was a funny episode.ygmir wrote:ok,
I'm posting this for DVD............
I wish I knew how to post it directly here, sorry about using a link.
http://www.tv.com/video/15055/dances-wi ... _summary;v
Actually, rather than getting an award for stopping a crime he was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon. (Actually I think he was carrying 13 guns).
Of course the jury acquitted him.
JK
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I was very serious, not making fun with that statement at all......gyre wrote:Not as much fun as it sounds.ygmir wrote:I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6........
I never knew OJ had once played some kind of game, until he was arrested.
So much for fame.
I'd rather get a ticket for concealed carry, or, go to trial for self defense,
than be dead.....was my point.......
YGMIR
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another gitmo case release order
All Things Considered, November 20, 2008 NPR·
A federal judge ordered the release of five Bosnian citizens Thursday who have been held for seven years at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Judge Richard Leon, a conservative Bush appointee, found that there was no evidence to justify the detention of the men, who are all native-born Algerians who moved to Bosnia in the early 1990s.
This was the first ruling since the Supreme Court declared in June that detainees at Guantanamo have a right under the U.S. Constitution to challenge the basis for their indefinite detention.
Leon's ruling Thursday had particular force, not only because he is a conservative Bush appointee, but because he had previously sided with the government, declaring that the men had no right to challenge their detentions.
Indeed, it was his earlier ruling that eventually got to the Supreme Court and was reversed by a 5-to-4 vote.
Writing for the Supreme Court majority in June, Justice Anthony Kennedy said that the system set up by the Bush administration — and ratified by Congress — was fraught with the risk of error because the detainees had no right to counsel, no meaningful way of knowing what the allegations against them were, and no chance to rebut evidence against them.
The cases ruled on Thursday were the first to provide all of those safeguards, and in five of the six cases, Leon concluded there simply was no corroborated evidence against the men and that indeed, the sole basis for their detention was a single uncorroborated piece of raw intelligence.
In the case of the sixth man, however, he concluded there was corroboration, and that his detention is justified.
Reading his opinion from the bench, Leon did something few remember any judge doing. He noted that the government is within its right to appeal his order, but he urged what he called the senior leadership of the government not to. Seven years of waiting for our legal system to give these men an answer, he said, is long enough.
The courtroom scene was dramatic, with the detainees hooked up by phone at Guantanamo, and interpreters there to translate the proceedings.
Sitting in Washington, D.C., before the judge was a phalanx of lawyers who have spent thousands of hours on this case, including Seth Waxman, who served as the government's chief appellate lawyer in the Clinton administration, and argued the Bosnians' case in the Supreme Court.
"There was a lot of eye-wiping and handkerchief-reaching; it was very emotional," Waxman said. "I mean these guys have been held for seven years following their detention investigation in Sarajevo."
Indeed, the facts of the case ruled on Thursday are extraordinary, even in the context of Guantanamo. The men were arrested in their homes shortly after Sept. 11, 2001.
U.S. officials said the men were involved in a plot to blow up a U.S. embassy.
Bosnian authorities then joined with Interpol and the U.S. to conduct a three-month investigation, at the end of which the Bosnian Supreme Court, with the concurrence of the Bosnian prosecutor, ruled that the charge was not supported by the evidence. The court ordered the men released, but they were quickly rearrested, turned over to the U.S. and taken to Guantanamo, where they have remained since.
With this as the first of many Guantanamo cases due to be reviewed by federal judges in the coming months, Thursday's ruling will likely be seen as a signal to other judges to be skeptical of the government representations.
In fact, the case ruled on today has become a prime example of the moving target the government has presented as legal justification for many of the detentions.
In his State of the Union address in 2002, President Bush outlined the basis for holding the Bosnians.
"Our soldiers working with the Bosnian government see terrorists who are plotting to bomb our embassy," Bush said at the time.
The government, however, later abandoned this claim and moved on to a number of other claims, which similarly were later withdrawn when they could not be substantiated.
A Justice Department spokesman declined to say whether the government would appeal Thursday's ruling. The Bosnian government has said in the past it is willing to allow these detainees to come back to their homes, where their wives and children still live.
A federal judge ordered the release of five Bosnian citizens Thursday who have been held for seven years at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Judge Richard Leon, a conservative Bush appointee, found that there was no evidence to justify the detention of the men, who are all native-born Algerians who moved to Bosnia in the early 1990s.
This was the first ruling since the Supreme Court declared in June that detainees at Guantanamo have a right under the U.S. Constitution to challenge the basis for their indefinite detention.
Leon's ruling Thursday had particular force, not only because he is a conservative Bush appointee, but because he had previously sided with the government, declaring that the men had no right to challenge their detentions.
Indeed, it was his earlier ruling that eventually got to the Supreme Court and was reversed by a 5-to-4 vote.
Writing for the Supreme Court majority in June, Justice Anthony Kennedy said that the system set up by the Bush administration — and ratified by Congress — was fraught with the risk of error because the detainees had no right to counsel, no meaningful way of knowing what the allegations against them were, and no chance to rebut evidence against them.
The cases ruled on Thursday were the first to provide all of those safeguards, and in five of the six cases, Leon concluded there simply was no corroborated evidence against the men and that indeed, the sole basis for their detention was a single uncorroborated piece of raw intelligence.
In the case of the sixth man, however, he concluded there was corroboration, and that his detention is justified.
Reading his opinion from the bench, Leon did something few remember any judge doing. He noted that the government is within its right to appeal his order, but he urged what he called the senior leadership of the government not to. Seven years of waiting for our legal system to give these men an answer, he said, is long enough.
The courtroom scene was dramatic, with the detainees hooked up by phone at Guantanamo, and interpreters there to translate the proceedings.
Sitting in Washington, D.C., before the judge was a phalanx of lawyers who have spent thousands of hours on this case, including Seth Waxman, who served as the government's chief appellate lawyer in the Clinton administration, and argued the Bosnians' case in the Supreme Court.
"There was a lot of eye-wiping and handkerchief-reaching; it was very emotional," Waxman said. "I mean these guys have been held for seven years following their detention investigation in Sarajevo."
Indeed, the facts of the case ruled on Thursday are extraordinary, even in the context of Guantanamo. The men were arrested in their homes shortly after Sept. 11, 2001.
U.S. officials said the men were involved in a plot to blow up a U.S. embassy.
Bosnian authorities then joined with Interpol and the U.S. to conduct a three-month investigation, at the end of which the Bosnian Supreme Court, with the concurrence of the Bosnian prosecutor, ruled that the charge was not supported by the evidence. The court ordered the men released, but they were quickly rearrested, turned over to the U.S. and taken to Guantanamo, where they have remained since.
With this as the first of many Guantanamo cases due to be reviewed by federal judges in the coming months, Thursday's ruling will likely be seen as a signal to other judges to be skeptical of the government representations.
In fact, the case ruled on today has become a prime example of the moving target the government has presented as legal justification for many of the detentions.
In his State of the Union address in 2002, President Bush outlined the basis for holding the Bosnians.
"Our soldiers working with the Bosnian government see terrorists who are plotting to bomb our embassy," Bush said at the time.
The government, however, later abandoned this claim and moved on to a number of other claims, which similarly were later withdrawn when they could not be substantiated.
A Justice Department spokesman declined to say whether the government would appeal Thursday's ruling. The Bosnian government has said in the past it is willing to allow these detainees to come back to their homes, where their wives and children still live.
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I suppose that OJ's prison sentence will interefer with him searching for the real killers on S.California & Florida golf courses?
There just isn't any justice anymore. Do we really want to live in a country were a man that committed a double homicide is jailed for a mere armed robbery?
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
There just isn't any justice anymore. Do we really want to live in a country were a man that committed a double homicide is jailed for a mere armed robbery?
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
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No one in this thread still has explained how one person could do that much damage to 2 people and be able to get away with it.
All that has ever been posted here is that some how he magically did it.
Ran to his house with no blood on him or any of his belongings.
RICH!
All that has ever been posted here is that some how he magically did it.
Ran to his house with no blood on him or any of his belongings.
RICH!
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OH NOOOOOOOOO!!!!Arminius wrote:I suppose that OJ's prison sentence will interefer with him searching for the real killers on S.California & Florida golf courses?
There just isn't any justice anymore. Do we really want to live in a country were a man that committed a double homicide is jailed for a mere armed robbery?
NO JUSTICE NO PEACE!
I don't believe you re-opened that can of worms!
JK
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When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
Sorry but that doesn't work.DVD Burner wrote:No one in this thread still has explained how one person could do that much damage to 2 people and be able to get away with it.
All that has ever been posted here is that some how he magically did it.
Ran to his house with no blood on him or any of his belongings.
RICH!
It's been done.
Even if there was a lot of blood spray, cleaning up can be done.
If he was seen and had no blood on him at the scene, we'd have a mystery if he did it.
And running with a bad knee can be done even if it causes additional damage and permanent damage.
I think murder charges would motivate me to do it.
It doesn't prove anything, but the virtually non-existent timeline (thanks to the police) certainly can't prove he isn't responsible.
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It's also a very football thing to do.gyre wrote: And running with a bad knee can be done even if it causes additional damage and permanent damage
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"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
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Its not all that hard to do damage to people when you have a knife. The thing about knives is that no matter what you do you are likely to get cut (unlike the movies).DVD Burner wrote:No one in this thread still has explained how one person could do that much damage to 2 people and be able to get away with it.
All that has ever been posted here is that some how he magically did it.
Ran to his house with no blood on him or any of his belongings.
RICH!
Wasn't magic bro.. it was the KNIFE in his hand!
There was PLENTY of BLOOD AND EVIDENCE. Here in America rich folk get to hire fancy lawyers and get alot of evidence thrown out. They also get to drag a trial out so the jury just wants to go home and get the hell away from the debacle.
I do believe I posted the website that went into a fair amount of detail. You seem to forget how OJ said he didn't do it and he wouldn't rest until the killers were caught. Funny how he didn't waste any time gettin to the golf course after beatin the case.
Like it or not DVD, he is a scumbag thats getting whats been due to him for a long time.
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It sure was a big help that Furman was a creep who took away credibility from the prosecution's case. I'm left with the impression he tried to frame a guilty man, and ended up mudding up the waters so he was acquited. It's not a surprize, if that sort of planting of evidence is common in LAPD that a predominently black jury would not be impressed.Toolmaker wrote: There was PLENTY of BLOOD AND EVIDENCE. Here in America rich folk get to hire fancy lawyers and get alot of evidence thrown out. They also get to drag a trial out so the jury just wants to go home and get the hell away from the debacle.
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"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.
Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri
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The jury could not understand or believe DNA evidence--way beyond their comprehension.theCryptofishist wrote:Toolmaker wrote: It's not a surprize, if that sort of planting of evidence is common in LAPD that a predominently black jury would not be impressed.
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When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle.
Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me
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never underestimate the stupidity of LA juries.
i sat on one where a very tough looking pair of female twins beat up a very embarrassed male security guard. one twin babbled and bragged about it to the cops ... the other fought it. the latter had one very weak witness whose story was all over the place. half of the jury blamed the defense attorney for the weak defense ... and when, after the case, they told him how bad he was, and he told them that he had nothing to work with ... duh.
i sat on one where a very tough looking pair of female twins beat up a very embarrassed male security guard. one twin babbled and bragged about it to the cops ... the other fought it. the latter had one very weak witness whose story was all over the place. half of the jury blamed the defense attorney for the weak defense ... and when, after the case, they told him how bad he was, and he told them that he had nothing to work with ... duh.
The likelihood of cutting oneself can be very high, but it depends on the knife design.
The guard is actually there to protect the user's hand from the blade.
My kabar has a handle that has high grip when completely soaked and a very large guard.
Most people have never used a knife with good steel that is fully sharpened either.
Effort is radically reduced with a sharp edge.
The guard is actually there to protect the user's hand from the blade.
My kabar has a handle that has high grip when completely soaked and a very large guard.
Most people have never used a knife with good steel that is fully sharpened either.
Effort is radically reduced with a sharp edge.
As far as the OJ case goes, thanks to the mess the prosecutors and the police department presented, it became impossible to establish guilt beyond reasonable doubt. I still OJ is the most likely suspect for the murders-- but reasonable doubt can't be removed due to how badly bungled the case was.
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