The "New" New Deal: The Air Car and Mass Transit!

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:38 pm

lurker wrote:There's a lot of speculation that oil's gonna hit twenty bucks a barrel...

That being said, I do think that there are things that can alter where we get our power. Like nuclear plants.

I guess my trepidation comes from the fact that it always seems that people talk about major issues in changing over to alternative energy forms as if they're little bumps in the road that oil companies or automakers keep in place to stymie the easy transition to clean, affordable, renewable energy--and they're not little bumps in the road.

I think I pointed out here that it's the energy companies who are pursuing alternate energy with more zeal than anyone--because they want to STAY energy companies. The first viable solution will make the discoverer rich beyond anyone's wildest imaginings--AND they'll be hailed as a savior. AND they'll STILL have all that oil to sell for it's other uses. It's a win-win-win situation.

So this isn't an easy thing--no matter how much I, or you, or anyone wants it to be.
20 bucks a barrel- never! Not even if the air was in full use.

Even if the air car becomes feasible for American use within a year or two, it will take 3 -4 years for full production. That is more then plenty of time for installation of new power lines and alternative production. It will take 6 years for the first Nuclear Plant to go on line even it was approved and started today- I’m not a big fan of it due to the long term storage problems. If a state wants one then let them store it in their state!

I don’t believe that those companies that own power production plants worry about cheaper energy sources. But those that supply them do! Oil, coal and natural gas companies worry and fight to prevent them. Why are the oil producers allowing the decline in oil? Is it just a concern over the lower dollar or the economy or is it that the influx of alternative energy investment money flowing into those companies? Perhaps so or a little of both? The successful model of industry is not creating a product that everyone want to buy, one that has a short obsolete life or needs to be re-supplied- the ink jet printer is a great example. Its not too expensive to own one, but it does get expensive to purchase the ink cartridges. In ten or fifteen years, the ink cartridges become obsolete and its time to buy a new printer.

Today’s car is about the same except in most places it will rust out or they sell you a new one because that’s sexy. We all want to be sexy and hip! So we walk into the showroom and buy a new car even if we don’t need one. The hybrids now have a battery to replace and if you bought a Laptop within the last five years, you already replaced the battery. The cost of a lithium battery is about $150 average. The cost of Hybrid would about $4,000 for a prius to $8,500 for a ford? You still have an engine to worry about replacing someday so you sell it hopefully before you do both repairs. Manufacturers has a lot invested in their planned obsolesce designs.

In 2006, I had a discussion thread on the air car, it got less response and thread lies somewhere in the abyss of eplaya- I don’t even have the time now to dig it up. But now that gas has recently hit $4.15 National average and the need for a New “Realâ€

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Post by lurker » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:55 am

20 years isn't 'long term'. It's fast.

I guess, AIIZ, what it boils down to is that I think you're looking at major hurdles as speed bumps.

And our national stupidity is a major hurdle. Bush and/or Barack are gonna keep up the bail-outs--and the big three are gonna get our money so that they can survive long enough to come begging again. Hopefully there'll be someone in office that'll tell them to go piss up a rope when it happens.....
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Post by Sail Man » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:11 am

ygmir wrote:
Sail Man wrote:Hmmm, methinks their just blowing air out of their tailpipes :lol:

Me, I'm holding out for the transporter beam :D
just be careful of the "deep space, widest possible dispersion" setting, you know what that did to "Nomad"..........
LOL yes, I do remember that one. Lets not forget what also happens to Kirk in the Tholian Web. Ohhh, and I don't even want to think about the latest remake of the Fly, with Jeff Goldbloom, that one still makes me queasy :shock:
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Post by ygmir » Wed Nov 26, 2008 7:44 am

Sail Man wrote:
ygmir wrote:
Sail Man wrote:Hmmm, methinks their just blowing air out of their tailpipes :lol:

Me, I'm holding out for the transporter beam :D
just be careful of the "deep space, widest possible dispersion" setting, you know what that did to "Nomad"..........
LOL yes, I do remember that one. Lets not forget what also happens to Kirk in the Tholian Web. Ohhh, and I don't even want to think about the latest remake of the Fly, with Jeff Goldbloom, that one still makes me queasy :shock:
you mean when they hit the web and got thrown back in time?...........might be a good opportunity for a "do over"...........I bet we'd all like one or more of those.......
or, do I have me memories mixed up...........
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Post by BAS » Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:27 pm

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology ... 00908.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_satellite

It seems that what happened to the solar power satellites was mainly the cost of getting them up into orbit in the first place, and relatively cheap oil prices.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:44 pm

I've reading up and there has been several prototypes build including a 190 mile on a full tank with up to 65mph.

So fuck GM were high on air

Anyway, it seems that UAW is going to kill the bailout and shoot themselfs in the foot. But that is just better new for alternative vehicles such as the air car.

We need more letters and blog posts people

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Post by unjonharley » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:00 pm

Building a letter right now. It's to a guy that has discoved a new fiber. I think it'll hold high pressure air. Also it could be taught to rip in a pattern if damaged.

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Dec 21, 2008 1:48 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Anyway, it seems that UAW is going to kill the bailout and shoot themselfs in the foot.

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I think it was somewhere here on eplaya where I saw a youtube video about the high-tech robotic plants the big car manufacturers have built over seas that have really streamlined the production and the labor costs of manufacturing vehicles. According to the video, the unions will not allow those types of manufacturing facilities to be built here.

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Post by unjonharley » Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:11 pm

the three CEO's say AUW is only 10% of cost. i say WTF?

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:59 pm

unjonharley wrote:the three CEO's say AUW is only 10% of cost. i say WTF?
I think the benefits of people no longer employed make up the biggest part of 'labor'. (i.e. pensions and maybe health insurance)

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Dec 22, 2008 11:24 am

jkisha wrote: I think it was somewhere here on eplaya where I saw a youtube video about the high-tech robotic plants the big car manufacturers have built over seas that have really streamlined the production and the labor costs of manufacturing vehicles. According to the video, the unions will not allow those types of manufacturing facilities to be built here.

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:01 pm

That is so cool. I signed up on their email list the first time I read about it here on eplaya. I can't wait until they come out here in the US.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:32 pm

In these video some guy in Australia produced a rotory air engine that highly efficient. It's worth seeing. the beginning is about the Negre car.


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Post by capjbadger » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:36 pm

BAS wrote:Speaking of alternative power sources-- whatever became of the idea of placing large, solar panels in orbit, where they would not be subject to weather, and beaming the power to a collection station on the ground? Those sounded like a good idea back in the late 1970s-early 1980s. The collection surfaces could be truly huge without gravity, and very reliable, without clouds...

Now no one is even mentioning it...
They're still working on being able to beam the energy that far. It's not as easy as you may think.

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Post by capjbadger » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:43 pm

Here's the main couple problems:

1) The source of energy to power the compressors is still coal. Also, you can't full the tank off of that same air machine you use to fill your tires. It can't supply enough PSI. Every station will need new compressors.

2) The car SUCKS. I've been following this car for at least the last 5 years. It's a lovely idea, but the car just doesn't work as well as claimed. And the energy you get out of the car is barely what you put in.

We already have an efficient car. It's called Tesla. Fewer moving parts and far far better efficiency and performance. Why waste our money on a loser car like the Aircar when the real solution is staring us in the face?

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Post by Captain Goddammit » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:29 am

No no Capjbadger, you don't understand. The Air Car isn't real at all, you just hold a pretend steering wheel and turn it back and forth while running around making "vroom!" and "screech!" noises.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:22 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:No no Capjbadger, you don't understand. The Air Car isn't real at all, you just hold a pretend steering wheel and turn it back and forth while running around making "vroom!" and "screech!" noises.
do you remember those old, I think Shell Oil, commercials with all the people scooting on their asses down the road, pretending they're driving?
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Post by gyre » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:44 pm

Loved those ads.

I was doing stop motion filming as a little kid.

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