Kilts ! yay or nay?

kaossunshine · Post by **kaossunshine** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:03 pm

If (and there is an IF there amongst all the wandering that must be done) I were to wander past your camp full of traditional music and a kick ass called dance I would for sure join in (and even run back to my costume box for my swishy dress). In fact, I know of at least one other guy I met in Seattle dorkin'-out at a contra dance, he was wearing a Utilikilt (made of canvas duck cloth not wool) at the contra dance, and told me about being in a photo with 200 other utilikilt clad men out at a little gathering in the nevada dessert last summer...

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 8:52 pm

Dougaldutch, et.al.,

Ok, so I had to take a Guinness break and let my brain rest.

So... I went and bought 4 yards of 10oz natural cotton duck at MalWart today (hack... pitooey). It’s 60" wide so I split it to get 8 yards of 30" material ($18 and enough for two kilts). I just got done pinning up the pleats on one side of my first one. I went somewhat by the instructions laid out in the link from The Most Honorable Last Real Burner (thank you again, sir) and laid my own Dress Tartan out for comparison. Mine is made identically to the plans so it was pretty easy to see where I was. The rules can bend big time when you don’t have to worry about working to the sett or stripe. I’m going with a net 3" pleat (gross 9" fabric). This would be oh so simple to adapt to folded paper. Jeez-Louise... You could really make a bunch of them once you got your routine down. And then just wrap folks up and tape ‘em right on.

I’ll find a way to post a set of my adapted/simplified plans somehow, as soon as I can, where you can get them. All in all this looks to be fairly simple. Simple enough that I am considering making a few out of whatever clearanced fabrics I can find so that others may be kilted as well. For the record... I still plan to purchase a Utilikilt, just because its looks to be such a fine damn garment. But I’m really diggin’ the idea of the silk Brocade.

Dusza Beben · Post by **Dusza Beben** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:15 pm

LaChatNoir wrote:Dougaldutch, et.al.,

I’m really diggin’ the idea of the silk Brocade.

Ditto. I've started to look around for brocade fabrics to this end, but as I rarely sew anything but leather I should probably try one in an el-cheapo fabric before I invest in brocade. Can't wait to see the plans!

DB

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:16 pm

Kilt Update:

So I’ve finished sewing up the first one. It seems to fit fine initially. It’s a bit difficult to see how it will hang, since its still stiff and new. It is going through its first wash right this minute and then to the dryer. We’ll see how it does before I finish it up by sewing on the belt loops and a pocket or two. I get the impression that the softer the fabric, the better the kilt will be. For instance, the cotton duck will have to get broken in first, but a silk or very light cotton would drape just right and flow really well when in motion (i.e. dancing with gusto). The sarongs I’ve made seem to react this way, and so I imagine a kilt would to, since it is in essence a shorter, pleated version of the same cloth wrap. And it would stand to reason (at least in my mind) that the softer the fabric, the better it would look with smaller and more abundant pleats.

Now here’s one thing which I do like about the canvas... it’s a canvas. That is, to me, a big plus and a reason for you to make one too. Plus at $9 plus your time, its pretty cheap if you mess the first one up. It may be too heavy for a lighter duty machine, however. Look for $1.00/yard clearance specials if that’s the case.

Stay tuned...

Black Cat over and out

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:37 am

....and fitting that they're cremated after having been "kilt".

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:32 pm

Ya mean like this?

http://www.digitalpanos.com/nevada/blac ... gpano.html

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I am in that Pic!!!
wish I had hit his tread sooner

Piper

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:43 pm

Hit This Thread even.

Douglas, two things, I did take some of my Tartans out and wore them at night, very comfy and they dry cleaned up great. If you are doing the party, I will have my pipes out and will be happy to play..hell I'll bring the big and the small

peace on ya

oh yeah, if you are looking for some help on this side
try http://www.blackrockburnerhostel.com/

I helped Fred out last year and it is a great time and people from all over the world, get help getting water, and other things before they go out.

oh yeah I do live in Reno

Piper

juanicoheal · Post by **juanicoheal** » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:00 pm

Play Piper Play!!!

One memory that has always stuck with me is the piper who played the sunset every night where I camped with my folks.

Dusza Beben · Post by **Dusza Beben** » Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:32 pm

Ordered my Utilikilt on friday! Yaaaay!

Still trying to scrounge a nifty brocade.
Hmm, what about a nice black velvet? Got lots of that.

DB

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 8:59 am

juanicoheal wrote:Play Piper Play!!!

One memory that has always stuck with me is the piper who played the sunset every night where I camped with my folks.

Yeah thats a piping thing to do, I got my jazz about 1/2 betwixt man and temple at sun rise one day....very cool.

awibs · Post by **awibs** » Mon Apr 12, 2004 3:05 pm

IF THERE IS CELTIC DANCING, I'M THERE.

what can i say? i'm undenyable, inescapably addicted faire folk. if there is celtic dancing, i am so, so, sooooo there.

please. keep me posted on how i could possibly find you on the playa.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:07 pm

Greetings fellow kilted goons...

Alright... so I’ve made what I consider to be a garment of sufficient quality that I would put the time into decorating it for, and wearing it on, the playa (good enough design to last and last, easy enough to make that you could do one for the theme of each year). I am working on a sketched out set of plans for constructing this same kilt that notes all that I’ve learned along the way to its completion. It would be easy to adapt these plans from fabric to a folded paper version for limited time usage.

Here’s what I will have:

A set hand drawn and scanned images.

Here’s what I will need:

Someone to email them to who could post them in a place available to all who wish to see them. I have no website to post them on. Don’t know exactly when I’ll get them completely drawn, but it won’t be long. Anyone able to help? Post here or PM if you prefer.

And yes, DB... I too am still on the lookout for a silk brocade, but I also have some eggplant purple linen that I’m eyeballing at the moment...

Dusza Beben · Post by **Dusza Beben** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:59 pm

LeChatNoir wrote:Greetings fellow kilted goons...
Someone to email them to who could post them in a place available to all who wish to see them. I have no website to post them on. Don’t know exactly when I’ll get them completely drawn, but it won’t be long. Anyone able to help? Post here or PM if you prefer.

And yes, DB... I too am still on the lookout for a silk brocade, but I also have some eggplant purple linen that I’m eyeballing at the moment...

We've got server space I'd be happy to gift for a worthy cause such as this. I'll send you our E-mail addy.

Oddly enough I was checking out linen yesterday! I've found oriental brocades at both Wally World and Jo-Ann Fabrics. Not silk but lots cheaper and some pretty sexy fabrics. I still wonder what the fine people at the fabric store think when they see a 6'1", 200 pound bearded guy perusing the oriental brocades.

DB

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:29 pm

Dusza Beben wrote: I still wonder what the fine people at the fabric store think when they see a 6'1", 200 pound bearded guy perusing the oriental brocades.

DB

I wonder what he looks like in a Kilt?

no doubt,
mr smith

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:23 pm

I still wonder what the fine people at the fabric store think when they see a 6'1", 200 pound bearded guy perusing the oriental brocades.

AHHHAAAAA!!! Yeah, being very close to these dimensions too, I have wondered the exact same thing. But alas... the only thing left of what used to be a full on mountain man beard is but a lowly soul patch. I’ve had various reactions when I answer that I’m making a kilt. And I’ve found my self saying, “*gasp*... look at that batik!!” Oh dear, dear, deary dear...

I’ve seen MalWart’s brocades... when you compare them to real silk, the ones I’ve seen look not so great. I’m holding out for the good stuff, myself.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:34 pm

And thanks to DB for the gift of a little bit of hard drive... watch this space, friends.

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:06 pm

Last Real Burner wrote:
Dusza Beben wrote: I still wonder what the fine people at the fabric store think when they see a 6'1", 200 pound bearded guy perusing the oriental brocades.

DB

I wonder what he looks like in a Kilt?

6'3" and 230

and bearded

http://www.masonpiper.org/piper/kilts/kilts.html

Halcyond · Post by **Halcyond** » Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:36 pm

Last Real Burner wrote:
Dusza Beben wrote: I still wonder what the fine people at the fabric store think when they see a 6'1", 200 pound bearded guy perusing the oriental brocades.

DB
I wonder what he looks like in a Kilt?

no doubt,
mr smith

Well let me tell you,

Nice legs, very nice legs. Ass ain’t that bad. But he looks better naked!

Halcyon

RingO'Fire · Post by **RingO'Fire** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:09 pm

I never really thought much about silk brocade kilts before I started reading this thread. Hell, I didn't even know what a "brocade" even was. So, I decided to look it up today. Damn! Now I think that I have to have one. Check out these brocades! Eight pages of them!

http://www.orientalbrocade.com/Scripts/ ... escription

They're a little pricey, but totally amazing too. These fabrics are just beautiful! I especially love the greenish ones, since I'm a redhead and green is one of my favorite colors. I'm a fabric artist too. I have a serious case of "fabric envy" and "shoppers lust" at the same time.

Must...fight...urge...to...buy...fabric...with...credit card...aarrgghh!

Aw fuckit, maybe I'll just see y'all out on the playa in my green silk brocade kilt!

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:29 pm

I am currently redoing the chairs in my office. They are classic Tulip chairs that I am redoing with black leather with the cushions covered in one of the brocades listed, it's:

only the one I am using is the same pattern but black with gold. Talk about badass.

Heyyyyy!! $10 a yard that's what I paid....

artisticly,
mr smith

Dusza Beben · Post by **Dusza Beben** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:50 am

Last Real Burner wrote: Heyyyyy!! $10 a yard that's what I paid....
artisticly,
mr smith

$10 a yard for silk?! Is it silk? That would look mighty swell with the Mink sporran I've got on the drawing board.

DB

RingO'Fire · Post by **RingO'Fire** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:57 am

Dusza Beben wrote:
Last Real Burner wrote: Heyyyyy!! $10 a yard that's what I paid....
artisticly,
mr smith
$10 a yard for silk?! Is it silk? That would look mighty swell with the Mink sporran I've got on the drawing board.

DB

The web site says, "Material: Silk/Rayon" for all the different brocades, but doesn't specify excactly which fiber is used for which brocade. On the other hand, a mink sporran would probably look pretty swell with just about any type of brocade kilt, IMHO.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:41 am

I’d like a skunk sporran, myself...

Martiansky · Post by **Martiansky** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 8:04 am

[quote="LeChatNoir"]I’d like a skunk sporran, myself...

I've seen some skunk pelts on ebay if you were looking to make your own sporran.

By the way, what are the dimensions of a sporran? I tried looking up sporran patterns on the web and as far as I can see they are around 6" x 9", does that sound right? They seem to be a certain shape too, like a small shell bag.
I was thinking about making a some pouches (sporran type). Is there any particular type of material they are made from?

Thanks!

Piper · Post by **Piper** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:45 am

Martiansky wrote:
LeChatNoir wrote:I’d like a skunk sporran, myself...

I've seen some skunk pelts on ebay if you were looking to make your own sporran.

By the way, what are the dimensions of a sporran? I tried looking up sporran patterns on the web and as far as I can see they are around 6" x 9", does that sound right? They seem to be a certain shape too, like a small shell bag.
I was thinking about making a some pouches (sporran type). Is there any particular type of material they are made from?

Thanks!

I have a few:
Horsehair, for military or band, has little or no storage space 7x18L small leather boss with the hair and gewgaws attached. Mine has a “clasp purse” type pocket that just holds a money clip, pen, and matches.

Raccoon full head 7 X 9 This was made from as much of the pelt as I could use, holds everything and pisses off hippies.

“Standard” piping about 6x8, 2 clamshell shaped pieces of stiff leather connected with a a “bellows” I have plain ones and one with bunny fuzz on the front.

“RenFaire” about 8x10 just a round of elk skin with a tong threaded around the top and reinforced slits for a strap

With the RenFaire type, I have seen them as long as the kilt, my opinion is the largest width should be in that 7-9' range, any wider and it looks like a fanny pack on backwards. I would make it no longer than you can reach in easily, amybe a foot at max, people reaching in the real long ones are working too hard

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:35 am

What the hell does Sporran mean?... and where the hell did a name like that come from? Is there a list of all the parts and parcels of what is called an "official" Scottiish Dress Outfit? What are the must haves and have nots?

quizziacally,
mr smith

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:03 am

http://www.tartanweb.com/tweb/few.htm

Click this link and you can see several different types of highland evening wear. The sporran is the purse thingy hanging down at the front of the kilt. And a Sgian Dubh (pronounced “skin doo” if I remember correctly) is a knife worn tucked in the top of the hose. All of these names would seem to be words in (or derived from) Gaelic. Perhaps dougaldutch can help with this more as I’m still in the process of learning the tongue of my ancestry.

samdu · Post by **samdu** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:12 am

redhead/greeneyed/scottish ancestry here- LOVE men in kilts! grrrr....!

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:11 pm

Don't make me whip my Kilt out!!!!!

"The Sherriff is near!"

sporranly,
mr smith

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:20 pm

Martiansky wrote:
LeChatNoir wrote:I’d like a skunk sporran, myself...

I've seen some skunk pelts on ebay if you were looking to make your own sporran.

Ebay! He don't need no stinkin' Ebay! With a weedy species like the skunk all he needs is to spend a couple evenings driving up and down quasi rural roads until he finds a fresh enough pelt. And you get a lot more street cred than buying off Ebay.

Kilts ! yay or nay?

kilts and ceilidh (spell that?)

boo boos

Brocades Galore!

Wow, is this freaky or what....

Re: Wow, is this freaky or what....

Re: Wow, is this freaky or what....

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