Politics, Everyday, All day... morning, noon and night....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:48 pm

Oh yeah, now it's getting good.
You wont see this on American TV. Rockets have just been fired from Lebanon.

IT IS NOW BEGUN.

Hold on to your asses.

This is gonna be real nasty and gonna spread very fast.

Looks like Israels strategy isn't working to stop the rocket fire huh?

What idiots.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:06 pm

The rockets have reached all the way to Northern Israel.

And they are not the rockets I know of that are the modified ones that are waiting to be launched.

Israel has now got a huge problem.

Told you before, Israel will get their ass beat worse than last time for sure.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:12 pm

Change of topic.

Anyone around the Oakland riots right now?

Post by **Elderberry** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:14 pm

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:26 pm

Guess you dont know what happened in Oakland the other day. anyway, there are huge riots going on over there right now.
Here's why.

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?s ... Wx&u=XD3Nc

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:56 am

DVD Burner wrote: There is no need for them in this world.

I say do whatever it takes.

There is no both sides.

Israel has more than several decades long history of lying like this and getting away with it.

Israel needs to go.

This sounds disturbingly like the Final Solution. And it sounds disturbingly like some Arab (and some Iranian) extremists who call for the extermination of not only Israel but the Jews in general.

I strongly disagree with the tactics used by the Israeli government. But then, so do many Israelis, and so do many Jews in the US and elsewhere. Using this kind of extreme language (e.g., "do whatever it takes" and "no both sides") tends to polarize the discussion, and actually encourages extreme behavior on both sides.

And I do believe that there are (at least) two sides in this. The only way to come to some sane conclusion in this conflict is compromise. Anything that suggests the forced disappearance of one side or the other evokes the very worst practices of the 20th century.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:05 am

As if this is not what's happening to the Palestinians now at the moment?

It's already too late for any compromise. The Israelis have gone too far. Lied too much for too long and murdered too many people and stolen too much land, broken too many truces, caused too many problems.

It's done.

Israel has brought this onto themselves.

I'm all for the disassemble of Israel.

They have proven to be the most irresponsible people of all time.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:32 am

And to say that I sound like some extremist is just absurd if you excuse me for saying so.

President Carter has been saying the same as I for several years.

Not as far as I have suggested as far as disassembling Israel but he has brought up the same points I have.

Israel is out and out wrong on all counts and have been lying when it comes to who has been sending the first strike.

Dismantling Israel is the solution.

There is no reason for Israels existence.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:12 am

Palestinian PM: Gaza carnage a new catastrophe

Thu Jan 8, 2009 6:52am EST

RAMALLAH, West Bank (Reuters) - Palestinian losses from Israel's Gaza offensive amount to a national catastrophe recalling the 1948-49 war in which the Jewish state was founded, Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad said Thursday.

"What our people in Gaza are facing is a humanitarian catastrophe. It's a new Nakba, of a kind that has not happened since 1949," Fayyad told reporters in Ramallah.

Palestinians consider Israel's May 1948 declaration of independence their "Nakba," or catastrophe, citing the forced flight of hundreds of thousands of Arabs during the ensuing battles over what had been British-ruled Palestine.

Israel says its 13-day-old offensive, in which more than 660 Palestinians have been killed, is a response to cross-border rocket attacks by the Gaza Strip's Islamist Hamas rulers.

Fayyad is a leading figure in U.S.-sponsored efforts to advance peace talks and restructure the Palestinian Authority in the occupied West Bank. Hamas runs a separate administration with its own prime minister in the Gaza Strip.

Israelis bristle at "Nakba" commemorations, saying they cast doubt on the commitment of Palestinians to creating a state that coexists with Israel. Palestinians say they want Israel to recognize the suffering of refugees and demands for redress.

(Reporting by Ali Sawafta; Editing by Alistair Lyon)

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:15 am

It's totally on now. There is no going back or compromises.

Talk is cheap, now everyone is gonna see action.

Too fuckin bad for Israel and the world.

No one here now can not say I didn't tell ya so.

You folks do not understand this shit. By the time you do it wont much matter will it?

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:36 am

This is a burning man website. Not DVD Burners place to rant and rave.

Just to put this in perspective. I have met many, many Israelis at BurningMan. I like the people I meet at BM. I find offense in the above posts as they seem to speak to the people I have met at BRC. In the years I have gone to the desert to see the art, I never met DVD Burner. The wonderful people who come all the way from Israel, make BM all that much better.

Its not a free speech issue, just as yelling fire in a crowded theatre, what he suggests above is WRONG.

I have been ignoring the racist rant and trying hard not to let DVD Burner get me excited so I will end this post at that. I sometimes avoid this board because of him.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:41 am

Guess what, this is the Politics thread all day morning noon and night.

And believe it or not eplaians have had this conversation before about whether or not politics really belongs in Burningman.

Guess what, Politics is a part of Burningman like it or not.

This is America. Freedom of speech is wonderful.

Dont like it, dont read it.

besides, all I am doing is posting the facts. You seem to be the one ranting and raving because it seems you dont like what I post.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:50 am

this is a cross post, I think I probably posted it in the wrong place earlier........."place on a couch........"
I hope, if I've broken a rule here, someone will enlighten me.............

regarding watching the inauguration,as follows:

that is a nice offer.......

I"ll be watching from home.

even as cynical as I am towards politicians, it's amazing to see, the peaceful transfer of power......
no where, ever, has there been so much power transferred so peacefully.

bitch and complain, laugh and applaud, you still gotta be in awe that one man can take power handed him by another, without a war.......

That the losers of an election, whine though they may, still step aside and allow, if not encourage, this change of leadership.

it's always a great moment, for that if nothing else........

All, of course, IMHO......

*saluting*

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:51 am

And what makes you think what many of you have posted has not been offensive to me?

What about being offensive to Palestinians and Palestinian Burner friends. What about My Lebanon Burner friends?

I dont get as bad bent out of shape as some of you folks do.

I just keep posting the facts that I find.

You have the same opportunity to post the facts you find and the option to prove what I post wrong with those facts.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:55 am

ygmir wrote:bitch and complain, laugh and applaud, you still gotta be in awe that one man can take power handed him by another, without a war.......That the losers of an election, whine though they may, still step aside and allow, if not encourage, this change of leadership.

it's always a great moment, for that if nothing else........

Too bad the same can not be said about Israel when Hamas won their democratically held elections.

Which is exactly my point.

Thanks for bringing this up.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:17 am

Israel 'kills aid worker during humanitarian window'

Thursday, 08 Jan 2009 12:41

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/world/a ... 259393.htm

Israeli troops have broken their own three-hour ceasefire by firing on an aid convoy in the Gaza Strip, it has been claimed.

According to the United Nations one Palestinian aid worker has been killed and several wounded in the attack.

All of the workers involved in the incident at the Erez crossing were civilian contractors, the head of the UN relief agency in Gaza told al-Jazeera.

"They were coordinating their movements with the Israelis, as they always do, only to find themselves being fired at from the ground troops," John Ging said.

"It has resulted tragically in the death of one and the injury of two others."

Yesterday Israel announced it would cease military operations daily for three hours starting 13:00 local time (11:00 GMT) to allow aid to be distributed to civilians in Gaza.

More than 700 people have died since Israel began air-strikes against Hamas militants at the end of last year.

But aid agencies are warning of the unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in Gaza, where almost one million civilians are now said to be without water.

Amnesty International UK has also accused both sides of using human shields in the conflict.

"Our sources in Gaza report that Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position," said Malcolm Smart, the director of human rights group's Middle East and North Africa programme.

"This clearly increases the risk to the Palestinian families concerned and means they are effectively being used as human shields."

The total death-toll of Palestinians includes up to 200 civilians, including scores of children, foreign aid agencies banned from entering Gaza have said.

The United Nations security council is yet to agree on a resolution calling for an immediate ceasefire due to US reluctance, while Israel and the Palestinian Authority have reacted favourably to the terms of a Franco-Egyptian plan for peace.

But the Israeli cabinet has approved further air-strikes and ground operations in Gaza, with the military action expected to continue overnight and into next week.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:07 am

wedeliver wrote:This is a burning man website. Not DVD Burners place to rant and rave.

And yep, I had some time to think about this one.

I have created some of the most, if not the most successful happiest Burner related, interactive threads on eplaya ever next to the bar. And they were very well thought out threads as anyone can see. Most all of my posts are well thought out before I post.

I did not create this thread.

Why?

Because my motto for the past 7 years on eplaya has always been, "politics and religion is for suckers".

All I have been proving all these years is my point seems to be correct.

After all, I am the original one that did not want a politics thread in the first place. Joel did and then started back peddling after he created it

Read the begining of this thread 6 years ago.

Seems like every time my points seem to be winning is when the most complaints come and get called a "Troll" by the trolls.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:38 am

And this shit is still funny.

Bush drops dog!

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:05 am

DVD ....

you will convince absolutely no one by annoying and/or insulting them.

people are trying to tell you so. you do not listen.

why should we give a damned about anything you post if you don't care about the ideas, thoughts, or feelings of anyone else? especially when you post the exact same thing over and over and over ......

duh

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:28 am

Now here is the best one yet.

Who did I insult?

and actually i could give a damn who's not smart enough to understand about what it is I post.

I post the most intelligent facts here next to Simon and most others.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:01 am

More facts for those that dont like the facts I post.

Well for those who also enjoy the facts I post.

BIG MAIN FACT: CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

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Dont like me posting about how Israel lies? Too Bad, cause they do. Here is the proof. It's not an insult, it's the truth.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:32 am

More facts for those of you that feel insulted by them, the facts about Israels lies:

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An accurate history lesson.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:51 am

More facts for the little one because she insulted me by not posting where it was I insulted anyone:

FACT: In the 6 months before Israel attacked on December 27th, not a single Israeli civilian or military was killed by rockets from Hamas or Gaza.
This is a fact.

Here is another fact: Israel is violating and has been violating international law UN Res. 242 & 338 and many others. Look it up.

and Little, the only thing I post over and over again is this:

Why? Cause it's still FUNNY!

Dude is a fuckin idiot.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:24 pm

Red Cross Reports Grisly Find in Gaza

Israel Accused of Blocking Aid to Wounded

By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, January 8, 2009; Page A01

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JERUSALEM, Jan. 8 -- The International Committee of the Red Cross said Thursday that it had found at least 15 bodies and several children -- emaciated but alive -- in a row of shattered houses in the Gaza Strip and accused the Israeli military of preventing ambulances from reaching the site for four days.

Red Cross officials said rescue crews had received specific reports of casualties in the houses and had been trying since Saturday to send ambulances to the area, located in Zaytoun, a neighborhood south of Gaza City. They said the Israeli military did not grant permission until Wednesday afternoon.

In an unusual public statement issued by its Geneva headquarters, the Red Cross called the episode "unacceptable" and said the Israeli military had "failed to meet its obligation under international humanitarian law to care for and evacuate the wounded."

When rescue workers from the Red Cross and the Palestinian Red Crescent arrived at the site, they found 12 corpses lying on mattresses in one home, along with four young children lying next to their dead mothers, the Red Cross said. The children were too weak to stand and were rushed to a hospital, the agency said.

A spokesman for the Israel Defense Forces declined to comment early Thursday on the specific allegations made by the Red Cross but said in a statement that the military "has demonstrated its willingness to abort operations to save civilian lives and to risk injury in order to assist innocent civilians."

"Any serious allegations made against the IDF's conduct will need to be investigated properly, once such a complaint is received formally," the statement added.

The deaths came to light as Israel continued a military offensive against the Islamist group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

Early Thursday, Israeli officials reported a number of explosions in northern Israel and said they were caused by rockets fired from southern Lebanon.

An Israeli military spokesman said that several rockets had been fired from Lebanon about 7:30 a.m. and that they had landed in western Galilee. One man was lightly wounded. The spokesman said the military returned fire into southern Lebanon, targeting the rocket-launching site.

Officials in Galilee said the rockets -- the first fired into Israel from southern Lebanon since the end of the 2006 war with the Shiite Muslim movement Hezbollah -- landed around the city of Nahariya.

There was no immediate comment from within Lebanon. Hezbollah leader Hasan Nasrallah has threatened Israel with retaliation for its offensive in Gaza.

In the Zaytoun incident, the Red Cross said its workers evacuated 18 wounded survivors from the houses in donkey carts. They said ambulances could not reach the site because of earthen barriers erected around the neighborhood by the Israeli military. Red Cross officials said that Israeli soldiers posted nearby tried to chase rescue workers away from the site but that the rescuers refused to leave.

"Any serious allegations made against the IDF's conduct will need to be investigated properly, once such a complaint is received formally," the statement added.

The deaths came to light as Israel continued a military offensive against the Islamist group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

Early Thursday, Israeli officials reported a number of explosions in northern Israel and said they were caused by rockets fired from southern Lebanon.

An Israeli military spokesman said that several rockets had been fired from Lebanon about 7:30 a.m. and that they had landed in western Galilee. One man was lightly wounded. The spokesman said the military returned fire into southern Lebanon, targeting the rocket-launching site.

Officials in Galilee said the rockets -- the first fired into Israel from southern Lebanon since the end of the 2006 war with the Shiite Muslim movement Hezbollah -- landed around the city of Nahariya.

There was no immediate comment from within Lebanon. Hezbollah leader Hasan Nasrallah has threatened Israel with retaliation for its offensive in Gaza.

"This is a shocking incident," Pierre Wettach, the Red Cross's head of delegation for Israel and the Palestinian territories, said in a statement. "The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestine Red Crescent to assist the wounded."

The Geneva Conventions provide that parties to a conflict "at all times" should "without delay" take "all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled." The conventions also say that wounded "shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care."

The Red Cross said it was able to remove only three of the bodies and had received reports of other casualties in the neighborhood. The agency said that it was trying to return to the site but that negotiations with the Israeli military to guarantee safe passage were ongoing.

Palestinian journalists confirmed that large numbers of wounded survivors, including children, had arrived at Red Cross hospitals in Gaza from Zaytoun on Wednesday. Other details could not be independently corroborated; the Israeli military has barred foreign journalists from entering Gaza.

There have been other reports of wounded Gazans who have been forced to wait many hours or even days for ambulances since the Israeli offensive began Dec. 27, including several in the Zaytoun neighborhood.

Meanwhile, Israel said Wednesday it was in "fundamental agreement" with a cease-fire proposal offered by Egypt and France, but fighting continued in the Gaza Strip as diplomats from more than a dozen countries haggled over details in a bid to stop the conflict.

Israeli officials said they would send emissaries to Egypt on Thursday to hold talks on a potential truce proposed by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Parallel diplomatic efforts were underway in New York at the United Nations. But many sticking points remained. The French-Egyptian proposal calls for an immediate cease-fire, followed by talks on securing Gaza's borders and ending an economic blockade that Israel has imposed since June 2007, when Hamas expelled rival Fatah forces from Gaza to seize sole control of the strip.

U.S. officials have supported the French-Egyptian effort but said the basic issues that led to the conflict need to be resolved upfront. "It has to be a cease-fire that will not allow a return to the status quo," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said.

Israel has vowed to continue its 12-day military campaign until it is satisfied that Hamas will be unable to rearm itself by smuggling weaponry through cross-border tunnels from Egypt. Hamas has fired hundreds of rockets, most of them crude and unguided, into southern Israel since a six-month truce between the group and Israel expired Dec. 19.

The Netherlands, Denmark and Turkey said Wednesday they would be willing to contribute to an international force that would patrol the Gaza-Egypt border to prevent smuggling. Israeli officials said they wanted to ensure that any such force would have the authority to stop arms trafficking.

Hamas officials, who have been involved separately in negotiations with Egypt, reacted coolly to the cease-fire plan.

Ahmed Youssef, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, said the group would not stop firing rockets into southern Israel until the Israeli military withdrew from the Palestinian territory and ended the economic blockade, which has left Gaza's 1.5 million people dependent on smugglers and relief organizations for their basic needs. About 25 rockets landed in southern Israel on Wednesday, wounding two people, the Israeli military said.

The Israeli military observed a three-hour cessation in the fighting Wednesday afternoon to allow relief agencies to deliver about 80 truckloads of emergency supplies. The lull in the violence also gave besieged Gaza residents an opportunity to emerge briefly from their homes and seek food, fuel and medical care.

Gazan medical officials said the pause in fighting led to a drop in casualties compared with other days since Israel launched its ground offensive Saturday. Twenty-nine Palestinians were reported killed Wednesday, bringing the toll to more than 680 since the fighting began, Palestinian health officials said. U.N. officials estimate that about one-third of those killed have been women and children, including three youngsters killed Wednesday when a shell struck a car.

Seven Israeli soldiers and three civilians have died in the conflict. Four of the soldiers were killed by errant shells fired by Israeli forces.

Correspondent Griff Witte in Jerusalem and staff researcher Julie Tate in Washington contributed to this report.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 2:08 pm

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:17 am

Well it's nice to have thousands of smart people who are students, professors, engineers and other wise that are more interested in what I post than those that are here most times.

Also nice to see intelligent Burning engineers and artists that are not on eplaya who are also interested.

it is really too bad those here are not as open minded on eplaya interested in what has been posted here.

really too bad.

Life!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:45 am

This Jew I know posted this:

So ... this old Jew is walking along a beach, stumbles over an old lamp, rubs it and a genie appears. The Genie says "thank you for releasing me from my prison, I shall grant you ONE WISH, choose wisely.".

The old Jew pulls a crumpled old map from his pocket and shows it to the genie. "See this here ? This is called the Middle East. There's been nothing but war and bloodshed there for thousands of years. I wish for peace in the Middle East."

The Genie pales, and says "These people have been at war since time began. It is their nature, the very fiber of their lives. Even with my great powers, I cannot bring peace there. Make a different wish."

The old Jew says, "Well ... I've been married 40 years, and in all that time my wife has never given me a blowjob. Do you think maybe you can have her do this for me, just once ?"

The Genie says "Uhhh, let me have another look at that map."

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:22 am

Actually you guys are sacks of shit.
If you were to watch in real time what Israel is doing right now you would be sick to your stomach's.
They are actually pouring chemicals and smothering people right now as I write this, American television is not showing or reporting anything about it and yall dont want to know about it?

You guys too are as bad as NAZIS.

Soon Nuclear bombs will drop in Israel and Israel will drop Nuclear bombs.

This shit is for real folks.

UN call for cease fire and they do this.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:25 am

At least they're not using Zyclon B.

Are they?

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:19 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:At least they're not using Zyclon B.

Are they?

You just had to encourage him, didn't you.

JK