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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:05 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Mind you, if you don't answer, it' means you cant answer.
:P
I am not digging up old news reports because I don't need to.
Oh now this is just rich.

Everything I have posted is as of yesterday on back son.

Again, you don't know what you are talking about and at this point not worth any ones time to answer.
See if you had looked at any of my posts you'd know everything I posted is as recent as of yesterdays news. There is no old news with me son.

I post in real time, but you are "smart' and already know that huh?

You are a joke.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:35 am

Oh, and by the way, post some pics of Hamas missiles that do this.

You wont find any and this is from today. Is this recent enough for ya? I don't see any weapons near by, do you?
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:30 am

Come on DVD post what you really think on how to resolve the middle east problems

Be truthful


don't hold back


Tell us what is DVD's future for Palestine?

Sad thing is DVD you only live in the now and have no plans for the future

Except, let me say it for you DVD: the total destruction of Israel

I'm I right? bet you smiling. Hey at least post one of your stupid smiles!

Say it you are a jew o phobe!

You want to kill all the jews even here in America.

I don't trust you DVD, but you are a terrorist computer hacker!

Maybe dork and the other techs you have worked here with by submitting code should all be deleted and replaced because maybe you inserting malware!

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:25 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Come on DVD post what you really think on how to resolve the middle east problems

Be truthful


don't hold back

Well since you asked, The U.S. needs to stop sending all of our 3.2 billion tax dollars a year to Israel and the U.S. needs to stop selling arms to Israel since they have been violating International and American Law since Israels creation. America and the international community needs to put Sharon (yes even in the state that he is in) and the other convicted war criminals of Israel in prison like they were supposed to do decades ago. Also, Israel needs to be dismantled.

That is my solution.

See, I'm letting everyone live.
Better alternative than the Murderous Israelis have given to the Palestinians.
I'm merciful that way.



Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Tell us what is DVD's future for Palestine?

Israel can give back the land that Israel stole from the Palestinians. But I already said that.

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Sad thing is DVD you only live in the now and have no plans for the future
See, the more you think the more it's not good for you or the rest of the world.

My solution is better than yours.

You believe in Maiming and killing civilians, women and children as the Israelis are doing right now.

My solution lets people including the criminals live.
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Except, let me say it for you DVD: the total destruction of Israel
See, you are wrong again. You are always wrong. when will it get to a point that you start feeling like a fool?

Please see my point of view I have just posted above.
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:I'm I right? bet you smiling. Hey at least post one of your stupid smiles!

Say it you are a jew o phobe!

You want to kill all the jews even here in America.

I don't trust you DVD, but you are a terrorist computer hacker!

Maybe dork and the other techs you have worked here with by submitting code should all be deleted and replaced because maybe you inserting malware!

AIIZ

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the rest of your post deserves no dignification again, because I have answered enough from you.

I've posted sound solutions, you have posted Murderous solutions.

Either way does not matter. Israel has got what's coming to them anyway and soon people around the world will be doing nothing else but wanting to kill Jews for all eternity.

Oh and hey, is Israels solution stopping the rockets out of Gaza? I think not.

Yep, Israel has created a huge problem for themselves they will never be able to get out of.


Oh and hey, you still haven't posted any pics or links to facts that prove me wrong.

nice diversion but it just dont work with me son.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:47 am

In other news.......


Obama promises new tack on Iran


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7822961.stm


Page last updated at 15:44 GMT, Sunday, 11 January 2009

President-elect Barack Obama says the US will take a new approach to dealings with Iran under his leadership.

Mr Obama said in a US TV interview screened on Sunday that "Iran is going to be one of our biggest challenges".

He said he was concerned about Iran's support for Lebanese Shia party Hezbollah and Tehran's nuclear enrichment programme.

In the wide-ranging interview, Mr Obama also said he planned a special team to deal with conflict in the Middle East.

The president-elect said he was not ruling out prosecution for possible crimes committed by Bush administration officials.

And he repeated his promise to close the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, but suggested it might not happen within his first 100 days in office.

'Need for engagement'

Mr Obama also criticised the outgoing administration's handling of the $700bn (£459bn) federal bailout plan to help the US banking system amid the global financial crisis.

And he said his attorney general could investigate accusations Bush administration officials had abused their power.

He said: "He's going to be making some calls, but my general belief is that when it comes to national security, what we have to focus on is getting things right in the future, as opposed to looking at what we got wrong in the past."

The incoming president told ABC's This Week presenter George Stephanopoulos he would break away from President George W Bush's policy on Iran and seek a much broader approach with the Islamic state.

"We are going to have to take a new approach. And I've outlined my belief that engagement is the place to start," Mr Obama said.

Mr Obama, who won the US presidential election in November, takes office on 20 January.

In the interview, he promised "a new emphasis on respect and a new emphasis on being willing to talk, but also a clarity about what our bottom lines are."

He added he believed his administration would "move swiftly" in its new approach with Tehran.

Mr Obama had earlier said there should be no pre-conditions in discussions with the Iranian leadership.

The Bush administration had accused Iran of developing nuclear technology in order to produce nuclear weapons, but Iran has insisted the processes will only be used to generate electricity.

'Failure of supervision'

"Iran is going to be one of our biggest challenges and as I said during the campaign we have a situation in which not only is Iran exporting terrorism through Hamas, through Hezbollah but they are pursuing a nuclear weapon that could potentially trigger a nuclear arms race," Mr Obama said.

Mr Obama also said a new team would begin work on a wider Middle East peace process when he began his presidency.

"What I am doing right now is putting together the team so that on 20 January, starting on day one, we have the best possible people who are going to be immediately engaged in the Middle East peace process as a whole," Mr Obama said.

On the economy, Mr Obama said he was dissatisfied with the way the first $350bn (£229bn) in the Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) had been spent after it was approved by Congress last year.

"There hasn't been enough oversight," Mr Obama said. "We found out this week in a report that we are not tracking where this money is going."
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:49 am

cant we all just have some nice fizzy bubbla and some hummus, sit down and schmooze, nosh, and Smoke a Hookah for Peace?

or not.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:51 am

As much as I love my cherry and strawberry Hookah smokes, I'm really trying to stop.

Thanks tho.

Plus I really feel it's important to let people know the difference between right and wrong.

So many humans lack good common sense.

So until Israel stops murdering, I'm gonna post everything they do wrong.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:06 am

israel seems to be engaging in brutality of the sake of brutality. They continuously escalate and make threats of further open ended escalation. This isn't logical. It appears that they are trying to provoke Iran into an attack. THEN, they can say that they were justified all along in warning that Iran must be totally destroyed.... to insure the safety of the world.

Reportedly, the rockets fired into israel have resulted in 10 deaths over the years. There isn't any big pressing reason to attack Gaza for that. They would be expected to continue with their methodical ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Why the sudden upsurge during the last days of bush's tenure? Why provoke Iran? Iran doesn't have nukes but, they are very well armed with bio-weapons.
Why not just wait til Iran collapses from the low petroleum prices. Iran has no refining capacity. They absolutely need high crude prices to keep a lid on social pressures. They'll run out of gas and diesel before too long.
I visited a Palestinian refuge camp. It seemed to me that the Palestinians have always been a political football. Now, they're being methodically, brutally and publicly killed. Is this done just for the PR value? Did Al Jezeera go off-air to keep the pot from boiling over? Is israel afraid that obama is going to insist on a meaningful settlement?

Obama doesn't seem to be any smarter than a fifth grader. He talks about borrowing $3--4 trillion. Nobody has it to loan. Nobody wants to loan it. We're currently paying $450 billion just to service our current debt. The additional borrowing would drive our debt service cost to about $1 trillion. So, he does a $trillion stimulus package that can NEVER work and then we're saddled with $1 trillion debt service.

He talks about a recession for decades. Doesn't sound like just a recession to me. Global-mean wages are coming to America. We keep destroying and outsourcing job niches. We thought we could get by without manufacturing. Americans are not going to be working until they get back on the right track. Bare-knuckles capitalism is going to have to come to an accommodation with automation.

The U.S. is projected to lose 1 million jobs a month through 2009 and into 2010. Nobody is willing to fund the American bailouts. Treasury bonds are getting ready to BLOW. Unfortunately, Obama will be too busy with the economy to spend much time on the middle east. Celente is projecting total chaos here. Maybe, israel is attacking before it's benefactor is prostrate. :cry:
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:20 am

Speaking of fools that lack common sense.......

Bush Says He Refused to Bail Out Republicans With Iraq Withdrawal


President Bush exudes serenity as he prepares to leave office, content that the war in Iraq is nearly won and he had the fortitude to buck his party despite incredible pressure to withdraw.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01 ... ithdrawal/

President Bush says he refused to "bail out my political party" by withdrawing troops "during the darkest days of Iraq," a decision now lauded by his father in an unprecedented joint interview of both presidents by Brit Hume on "FOX News Sunday."

"During the darkest days of Iraq, people came to me and said, 'You're creating incredible political difficulties for us,'" the current president said as his term draws to a close. "And I said, 'Oh, really? What do you suggest I do?' And some suggested retreat, pull out of Iraq.

"But I had faith that freedom exists in people's souls and therefore, if given a chance, democracy and Iraqi-style democracy could survive and work," the president said. "I didn't compromise that principle for the sake of trying to, you know, bail out my political party."

The president's father, former President George H.W. Bush, became emotional when assessing his son's tenure.

"You can make a tough decision and stay with it," he told his son before turning to Hume in the White House Diplomatic Room. "And he's been tested unlike any other president with 9/11. So he passed the test."

He said political invective has "gotten worse" since his days in the White House, adding: "It's offensive, very offensive."

The younger Bush agreed. "The biggest disappointment in the political process, that's been this kind of bitterness by a few people to the point where they don't want to have a logical discussion or a civil discussion about policy," he said. "They just want to tear you down."

But with the war in Iraq nearly won after years of setbacks, the younger Bush exudes serenity as he wraps up his two terms in the White House. "I'm better than fine -- I am proud of the accomplishments of this administration," he said. "I know I gave it my all for eight years, and I did not sell my soul for the sake of popularity. And so when I get back home and look in the mirror, I will be proud of what I see."

Bush said he was also proud of the CIA, although he acknowledged the agency has leaked intelligence secrets. "There have been disappointing moments when information came out of the agency," he said.

"You can't stop leaks. And you don't know how many people were leaking, but I can assure you, the vast majority of people in the CIA were very cooperative."

Bush said he is planning to write a book about his presidency.

"I'm toying with the idea of maybe describing the toughest decisions I had to make as president, and the context in which I made them," he said. "It is very hard for people to remember what life was like a mere four or five years ago. And it's going to be very important for me to recreate the environment in which I had to make certain decisions, particularly the environment of right after September the 11th, 2001."

Bush conceded that his prosecution of an increasingly unpopular war contributed to the fact that the Republican Party "got whipped in 2008." And he warned that a comeback will be difficult "if the party is viewed as anti-immigrant."

But he said the GOP should remain anti-tax and pro-military. "We shouldn't change our philosophy," he said. "We may want to change our messaging. We definitely want to change messengers. We need a new group of leaders."

He added: "I had one in mind. But he evidently didn't agree with his older brother."

It was a reference to former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who announced last week he would not run for a Senate seat.

Unlike his son, the elder President Bush served only one term, leaving him to wonder about "things I'd like to have done" on his "unfulfilled agenda." But he has remained active since leaving the White House, even skydiving well into his golden years. He plans another jump in June, when he will be 85.

"I think he's a nut to jump out of airplane at age 70, 75, 80 and 85," remarked his son, who added: "Actually, I think it's cool."

His dad, who now walks with a cane, agreed. "You don't want to sit around just because you're an old guy, drooling in the corner," the elder Bush said. "Old guys can still do stuff." To which his son quipped: "You can drool and jump at the same time."
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:24 am

can't sit still wrote:israel seems to be engaging in brutality of the sake of brutality. They continuously escalate and make threats of further open ended escalation. This isn't logical. It appears that they are trying to provoke Iran into an attack. THEN, they can say that they were justified all along in warning that Iran must be totally destroyed.... to insure the safety of the world.

Reportedly, the rockets fired into israel have resulted in 10 deaths over the years. There isn't any big pressing reason to attack Gaza for that. They would be expected to continue with their methodical ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Why the sudden upsurge during the last days of bush's tenure? Why provoke Iran? Iran doesn't have nukes but, they are very well armed with bio-weapons.
Why not just wait til Iran collapses from the low petroleum prices. Iran has no refining capacity. They absolutely need high crude prices to keep a lid on social pressures. They'll run out of gas and diesel before too long.
I visited a Palestinian refuge camp. It seemed to me that the Palestinians have always been a political football. Now, they're being methodically, brutally and publicly killed. Is this done just for the PR value? Did Al Jezeera go off-air to keep the pot from boiling over? Is israel afraid that obama is going to insist on a meaningful settlement?

Obama doesn't seem to be any smarter than a fifth grader. He talks about borrowing $3--4 trillion. Nobody has it to loan. Nobody wants to loan it. We're currently paying $450 billion just to service our current debt. The additional borrowing would drive our debt service cost to about $1 trillion. So, he does a $trillion stimulus package that can NEVER work and then we're saddled with $1 trillion debt service.

He talks about a recession for decades. Doesn't sound like just a recession to me. Global-mean wages are coming to America. We keep destroying and outsourcing job niches. We thought we could get by without manufacturing. Americans are not going to be working until they get back on the right track. Bare-knuckles capitalism is going to have to come to an accommodation with automation.

The U.S. is projected to lose 1 million jobs a month through 2009 and into 2010. Nobody is willing to fund the American bailouts. Treasury bonds are getting ready to BLOW. Unfortunately, Obama will be too busy with the economy to spend much time on the middle east. Celente is projecting total chaos here. Maybe, israel is attacking before it's benefactor is prostrate. :cry:

Yeah I know.

Israel is just not making any kind of sense. Even if you factor in Iran, still doesn't make any sense.

Why provoke?

And as far as Obama...........we just have to wait and see.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:27 am

As soon as people start to try to make a political point using large fonts, it's time to step away from the computer....

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:29 am

:lol:

You should have stepped away years ago cause that's how long I have been doing it. :P
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:32 am

Does that include large font beer ads?
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:35 am

DVD Burner wrote:Also, Israel needs to be dismantled. That is my solution.
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Except, let me say it for you DVD: the total destruction of Israel
DVD Burner wrote:See, you are wrong again. You are always wrong. when will it get to a point that you start feeling like a fool?
Seems to me the same thing, dismantled = destruction.
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Post by Sail Man » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:46 am

DVD Burner wrote::lol:

You should have stepped away years ago cause that's how long I have been doing it. :P
And yet you persist :roll: Don't you ever get Laryngitis?

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:55 am

Sail Man wrote:
DVD Burner wrote::lol:

You should have stepped away years ago cause that's how long I have been doing it. :P
And yet you persist :roll: Don't you ever get Laryngitis?

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Of course he persists. All he cares about posting are controversial posts that bring attention to himself or posts that try to make him look important and knowledgeable and an 'insider'. But usually have the calculated effect of encouraging derision and animosity between members here. If he were really such a knowing, caring and involved person, you would think that he would take more of an interest in posting on threads that actually have something to do with burning man and the people that actually attend the event. I have noticed that he couldn't be bothered to post a 'welcome' to eplaya to a single newbie EVER. I am personally taking a pledge to never ever reply to a post from DVDBurner ever again from this moment forward in perpetuity.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:16 pm

Digital-Dragonfly wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Also, Israel needs to be dismantled. That is my solution.
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:Except, let me say it for you DVD: the total destruction of Israel
DVD Burner wrote:See, you are wrong again. You are always wrong. when will it get to a point that you start feeling like a fool?
Seems to me the same thing, dismantled = destruction.
yes, and...

"Israel has got what's coming to them anyway and soon people around the world will be doing nothing else but wanting to kill Jews for all eternity." DVD

Proves my point that he wants to kill all jews everywhere as well.

Now who is the fool?

My resolution has remained the same ever since I starting ranting on the issue:

The UN resolution that created Israel should be abided to: the creation of both an Israel and Palestinian state with the division of Jeruselem into two capitals.

The return of lands to the palestinians as set forth in the UN resolution.

The return of many Palestinians into Israel into the homes and land taken but remains under the control and state of Israel.

That is the view of not only me but many in the east on both sides. It is also a world view. It is not a perfect resolution, but one in which both side can live in peace with.

Two countries side by side, but your view and Hamas will not let that happen.

Why don't you banter on the christians since it is they that have caused this problem in the first place with their historical anti-semitism?


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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:56 pm

Let me guess, you guys must be Jews that when gotten upset when people say Israel is wrong, you guys say "OH GOD YOU WANT US KILLED".


What ass wipes.

Oh and by the way, no one here has posted any facts to dispute mine.

Still!

So maybe that's why yall are really upset and post what you do instead of posting some FACTS to prove me wrong huh?


Where are your facts kiddies?

Where is your proof that Hamas is doing similar damage as the Murdering Israelis?

Where are your Pics and Links?

Surely you have had enought time by now to find some.

Having a hard time proving me wrong? That's not surprising. Cause I'm not wrong.

Israelis are murdering bastards and you guys are living in a state of denial just as the fools that followed Hitler.
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:16 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: The return of many Palestinians into Israel into the homes and land taken but remains under the control and state of Israel.
actually, this is a sticking point with israel, as i understand it. israel is a democracy, and israeli palestinians have an equal vote ... israel has to keep palestinians in the minority in order to remain both a democracy and a jewish state.

and no, i am not jewish or a fan of israel, and am as disgusted as everyone else at all of this.

DVD - why don't you put your money where your mouth is and go join hamas? your shouting here is doing no good whatsoever ... maybe you'd do better with a gun or a rocket launcher or something.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:29 pm

What for. I'm doing a great job here.

Besides, Israel, the frady cats they are, wont let me in.


And for the record, Hamas was democratically elected by the majority.

Fatah was not.

So as you can see you still dont know what you are talking about.

Facts can be a bitch huh?
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Post by mdmf007 » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:41 pm

There are several facts that will have to be accepted.

1. The US will always back Israel.
2. The US will always sell the Israeli's arms.
3. Israel will never concede any land, or if they did a token amount.
4. Palestine will never get their lands back or be compensated.
5. Jerusalem will never be on the table for discussion.

Its a sad state of affairs. Every peace talk fails, and a handful of Israeli's and a handful of Palestinians start an entire new shooting match that spills over.

What was Israel to do? thousands of mortar shells fell on Israel last year and something had to be done. No solution is perfect and this one seems draconian - but whats your answer?

There has been drama and fighting and genocide for thousands of years on that very ground - nothing new. There will be drama and fighting, and genocide long after we are gone.

What will it take? occupatin by the UN? total anhiliation by one side on the other? Isolation with fences? Buffer Zones?

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:57 pm

well that all may be well and true but according to this Rabbi, Israel should not exist and he is on a crusade. Check it out:

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Go figure, A Rabbi saying Israel shouldn't exist.
And note: he also uses the word "DISMANTLE".

and it does not mean destroyed in any sense.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:14 pm

i agree with DVD


call me what you will...I have had far too many experiences and way too many friends who will also concur.

this is not a Jewish Thing.


It is an ISRAELI thing....it is not necessary to fall in line, lockstep, every time Israel does something, ANYTHING.

what do you call a right wing reactionary? A left wing new York Jew who has been to one of the settlements.

illegal settlements.


dont get me started, it's not worth it.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 2:16 pm

well Simon, again you show big balls. :lol:
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:33 pm

Israeli Assault on Gaza Galvanizes Hamas Support in West Bank


By Luis Ramirez
Ramallah
11 January 2009

http://voanews.com/english/2009-01-11-voa24.cfm

Israel's continued offensive in Gaza - now in its third week - is drawing many Palestinians in the West Bank to support Hamas, the militant group that controls Gaza. They accuse the government of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of not doing enough to defend the Palestinians of Gaza.

Palestinian doctors and nurses march in central Ramallah to protest Israel's assault on Gaza, and the mounting casualties. Some hold posters with grisly images of dead children pulled from the rubble in Gaza.

Demonstrations like these have become almost a daily occurrence across the West Bank since the assault began more than two weeks ago.

Siham Nasser is a nurse at a hospital in Ramallah. Wearing her nurse's frock and holding a banner, she says she would normally not take time off from work to join any demonstration. But she says the idea of innocent civilians dying is too much for her to keep quiet.

"The pictures of the children, the pictures of the poor women who cannot defend themselves and their families," said Siham Nasser. "The Israelis are shelling their houses. Those people have no weapons to defend themselves."

The protest is peaceful. Newly trained security forces of the Palestinian Authority keep a close eye. The green flags that symbolize Hamas are banned and nowhere to be seen. Violence could destabilize the government of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate who has been in negotiations with Israel.

Mr. Abbas' Fatah faction, a rival of Hamas, fears citizens' anger could galvanize support for Hamas in the West Bank. On the streets of Ramallah, there are signs that already is happening, albeit quietly.

Many Hamas politicians here are in jail. Those who are not say Israel's Gaza offensive has helped build support for Hamas among West Bank Palestinians who accuse Mr. Abbas and Fatah of being soft on the Jewish state.

Ayman Daraghmeh is a Hamas politician who was elected to the now collapsed Palestinian parliament. He acknowledges that Mr. Abbas has given speeches defending the Palestinians of Gaza. But Daraghmeh tells VOA Mr. Abbas has failed to address what he says is the central question with Israel.

"When he started talking about the aggression against Gaza, he was not frankly holding the responsibility [of] the occupation to Israel, which is the reason, which is the root of what is happening here in this area," said Ayman Daraghmeh.

Israel pulled its troops and settlers out of Gaza in 2005, but controls access to the Strip through the border crossings. When Israelis close the border, the 1.5 million people of Gaza cannot get food and other provisions or export their own products.

Many Palestinians in the West Bank have long expressed anger at the Abbas government, accusing it of corruption and of collaborating with Israel.

This woman on a street in Ramallah says if she could cast a ballot, she would vote for Hamas.

"For sure," she said. "I would vote for people who fight the occupation and defend us and bring us dignity and not for people who only want to be in the seats to put money in their pockets."

Israel says it will stop the attacks on Gaza when it has destroyed Hamas's ability to launch rockets and sealed the tunnels under Gaza's border with Egypt, used to smuggle weapons.

During a six month truce, Hamas and Israel accused each other of violations. Hamas refused to renew
the truce, and its firing of rockets at Israel triggered the invasion.

Israeli officials accuse Hamas of using civilians to shield militants and hide rockets, a charge Hamas denies. Whether it is true or not that Hamas is using the images of dead children as a propaganda tool, the pictures are having an effect on the way people in the West Bank see the conflict.

This Ramallah resident, who says he has never been a Hamas supporter, is asked whether he thinks Hamas should stop firing rockets at civilians in southern Israel and thus bring an end to the Israeli assault on Gaza.

"No," he said. "My opinion is that they should not stop because their choice is to die fighting with dignity or die with humiliation."

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Some in Israel have warned against allowing elections in the West Bank any time soon.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 3:37 pm

The ironic part is, Israel has turned Hamas from a political entity to an ideology.

They will never be able to get rid of or defeat Hamas now.

How stupid is that?

And the rockets are still coming into Israel.

What idiots.
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:10 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Israeli Assault on Gaza Galvanizes Hamas Support in West Bank

By Luis Ramirez
Ramallah
11 January 2009

During a six month truce, Hamas and Israel accused each other of violations. Hamas refused to renew
the truce, and its firing of rockets at Israel triggered the invasion
.


Israeli officials accuse Hamas of using civilians to shield militants and hide rockets, a charge Hamas denies. Whether it is true or not that Hamas is using the images of dead children as a propaganda tool, the pictures are having an effect on the way people in the West Bank see the conflict.

This Ramallah resident, who says he has never been a Hamas supporter, is asked whether he thinks Hamas should stop firing rockets at civilians in southern Israel and thus bring an end to the Israeli assault on Gaza.
"No," he said. "My opinion is that they should not stop because their choice is to die fighting with dignity or die with humiliation."
(How about... stop launching rockets & sending in suicide bombers and LIVE. Why do they always talk about how they have to die...?)

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel
.


YEP YEP YEP.... those bad Israeli guys causing all the problems.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:14 pm

Digital-Dragonfly wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Israeli Assault on Gaza Galvanizes Hamas Support in West Bank

By Luis Ramirez
Ramallah
11 January 2009

During a six month truce, Hamas and Israel accused each other of violations. Hamas refused to renew
the truce, and its firing of rockets at Israel triggered the invasion
.


Israeli officials accuse Hamas of using civilians to shield militants and hide rockets, a charge Hamas denies. Whether it is true or not that Hamas is using the images of dead children as a propaganda tool, the pictures are having an effect on the way people in the West Bank see the conflict.

This Ramallah resident, who says he has never been a Hamas supporter, is asked whether he thinks Hamas should stop firing rockets at civilians in southern Israel and thus bring an end to the Israeli assault on Gaza.
"No," he said. "My opinion is that they should not stop because their choice is to die fighting with dignity or die with humiliation."
(How about... stop launching rockets & sending in suicide bombers and LIVE. Why do they always talk about how they have to die...?)

Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of Israel
.


YEP YEP YEP.... those bad Israeli guys causing all the problems.
That's right.
Israel would not have these problems if they had not assaulted Gaza/Hamas first.

Say what you like, but the facts are the facts.

Israel broke the cease fire and bombed Gaza indiscriminately, and lied about it.

They deserve everything that is coming their way.

Yep Yep Yep.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:17 pm

HEY WAIT A MINUTE YOU DUMB FUCK. YOU REARRANGED AND EDITED THE ARTICLE.

NICE TRY ASSHOLE!


Just how fucking desperate are you?
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:25 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:i agree with DVD
simon ... say whatever you feel like saying...

i have far less trouble with what dvd says, than how he says it ...

like an oversized 12 year old with a megaphone, shouting people down with answers that do not match the questions...

discussion on the issue is all but dead around here. and it's a shame, because i, for one, am always interested in what you have to say ... as well as how you express it. and i'd like to see more of what others have to say, as well.

unfortunately, we seem to be stuck with an idiot on a fucking soapbox...

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