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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:27 pm

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Simon of the Playa wrote:i agree with DVD
simon ... say whatever you feel like saying...

i have far less trouble with what dvd says, than how he says it ...

like an oversized 12 year old with a megaphone, shouting people down with answers that do not match the questions...

discussion on the issue is all but dead around here. and it's a shame, because i, for one, am always interested in what you have to say ... as well as how you express it. and i'd like to see more of what others have to say, as well.

unfortunately, we seem to be stuck with an idiot on a fucking soapbox...

We understand Little's problem with living in a state of denial.

after all, she voted for Bush twice.
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:50 pm

DVD Burner wrote:HEY WAIT A MINUTE YOU DUMB FUCK. YOU REARRANGED AND EDITED THE ARTICLE.

NICE TRY ASSHOLE!


Just how fucking desperate are you?
You wait a minute dip shit. All I did was quote YOUR post and highlight pertinent statements which show your weird twisting of reality. Nothing was rearranged or edited. I added a comment of my own- IN BRACKETS & FONT CHANGED- to denote as not part of the quote. other than cutting out the bullshit propaganda, its your quote, boy. If he's wrong: why did you quote him?
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:52 pm

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:14 pm

Digital-Dragonfly wrote:I added a comment of my own- IN BRACKETS & FONT CHANGED- to denote as not part of the quote.
Oh that's rich.

Dont try to backpedal your way out of what you intended to do.

You tried to manipulate the facts by pulling the text out of context and put your opinion in it's place as fact.

What do you think you are? An Israeli?

Nice try buddy.

You actually thought you were going to try to get away with that shit didn't ya?

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:24 pm

either way, makes no diffrence. more and more people around the world are realizing that Israel is lying and murdering people in cold blood.

People like you are now out numbered and people will now protest the Israeli lies and war till the war and lies stop.


This is not like the Iraq war.

Vast amounts of people now know and are coming to know that Israel is a fucking liar.
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:26 pm

so. which is it?
DVD Burner wrote:Israeli Assault on Gaza Galvanizes Hamas Support in West Bank

By Luis Ramirez
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During a six month truce, Hamas and Israel accused each other of violations. Hamas refused to renew
the truce, and its firing of rockets at Israel triggered the invasion
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or?
DVD Burner wrote: That's right.
Israel would not have these problems if they had not assaulted Gaza/Hamas first.

Say what you like, but the facts are the facts.

Israel broke the cease fire and bombed Gaza indiscriminately, and lied about it.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:32 pm

Digital-Dragonfly wrote:so. which is it?
DVD Burner wrote:Israeli Assault on Gaza Galvanizes Hamas Support in West Bank

By Luis Ramirez
Ramallah
11 January 2009

During a six month truce, Hamas and Israel accused each other of violations. Hamas refused to renew
the truce, and its firing of rockets at Israel triggered the invasion
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or?
DVD Burner wrote: That's right.
Israel would not have these problems if they had not assaulted Gaza/Hamas first.

Say what you like, but the facts are the facts.

Israel broke the cease fire and bombed Gaza indiscriminately, and lied about it.
It is this way in this order and before you knock what is posted, make sure you watch it first.

It is the accurate fact and time line.



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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:08 pm

Part 2.Israel and international law

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:24 pm

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And only if the world were this way.
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:25 pm

DVD Burner wrote: It is this way in this order and before you knock what is posted, make sure you watch it first.

It is the accurate fact and time line.
so I did watch both of them.

the first accused Israeli of breaking the truce in November when the killed 6 Palestinians tunneling into Israeli. Interesting they tried to portray it as 3 separate incidents.

the second was as you say "really rich" in that it went out of it way to keep "resetting the clock" all the way back to 1967. why stop there? 1948 would be easier. It's always going to be Israels fault. and of course the US's also because our weapons systems are being used. [Of course the Soviet & China have nothing to do with the AK47"s & RPGs seen in any group photo of Palestinians.] And it all Israels fault that people are starving & in need of medical aid..... cause none of that stuff can be found in any Arab nation, not to mention across Egypt s common border.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:29 pm

Well unfortunately the facts are, it is all Israels fault. Actually it's the British, UN and Americas fault as well for creating Israel. Israel was not meant to be in the first place:

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Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.

This is a fact.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:34 pm

and before the Americans started giving Israel weapons and money, Israel used to get their fighter bombers and all from France to bomb Americans and everyone in the region.

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Israel has been nothing but trouble since they were created.

They are convicted war criminals. This is a fact.
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Post by Digital-Dragonfly » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:40 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Israel was not meant to be in the first place:
Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.
This is a fact.
that is your belief...
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:41 pm

Digital-Dragonfly wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Israel was not meant to be in the first place:
Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.
This is a fact.
that is your belief...
No, it's what these Rabi's know:

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:44 pm

Let me quote the greatest israeli freedom-fighter and patriot, David Ben-Gurion: "we have stolen their land" He justified this by saying that "god gave it to us" You've all seen the before-and-after maps of land that was under Palestinian control. If not, I'm sure DVD could be persuaded to post them.
No one was killing jews until they stole the land!! It's that simple [in the beginning]
Read the British Mandate. The land was to be multi-cultural. The jews in Nehi and Likud finally killed enough British that the Brits declared the land as "ungovernable" and got the hell out. The goyim weren't killing anyone. The jews blew up the British Command in the King David hotel. israel was born with innocent blood on it's hands. They have never stopped. The Muslims are sorta stuck in the 7th century,,, the Christians kinda try for peace,,, the jews are full-on Old Testament. Smite your enemies.
It's pure Darwinian competition. Steal the land and kill the people. Don't make any fucking pretense of being civilized. You can debate facets. The basics are just animal [not human] competition.
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 6:58 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.

This is a fact.
i guess you have never heard of the ottoman empire...

not to mention mohammed ... or the romans ... or....

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:07 pm

littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.

This is a fact.
i guess you have never heard of the ottoman empire...

not to mention mohammed ... or the romans ... or....
I did not say everyone got along in the area since the beginning of time. just thousands of years.

And yes I know of the ottoman, and Jews have had it both ways with them and the Spanish and Christians.

Basically due to what they brought on to themselves way back when.

Still does not excuse what Israel has been doing for the past several decades.
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Post by Box Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:08 pm

littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.

This is a fact.
i guess you have never heard of the ottoman empire...

not to mention mohammed ... or the romans ... or....
All of them are outside influences.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:12 pm

I can't agree on the "thousands of years" either. When god lead the chosen people to the Land of Milk and Honey,,,,,, it wasn't exactly vacant.
As the Sahara desert expanded, post-ice age, it pushed everybody farther from the equator. It took some serious killing way back then to take control of the land of Cannan.
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:23 pm

Box Burner wrote:
littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Before Israel, everyone in the area got along great for thousands of years.

This is a fact.
i guess you have never heard of the ottoman empire...

not to mention mohammed ... or the romans ... or....
All of them are outside influences.
mohammed is from the outside?

islam spread east along the silk road, west across africa, and into europe entirely by peaceful means, i suppose?

also, one reason why the turks were able to keep the arabs in line is because of inter-tribal fighting... and they are fighting still ....

the middle east has had periods of peace, of course. but it has also seen plenty of war ... just like the rest of the world.

none of which justifies the current mess ... i was just pointing out the obvious.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:24 pm

can't sit still wrote:I can't agree on the "thousands of years" either. When god lead the chosen people to the Land of Milk and Honey,,,,,, it wasn't exactly vacant.
As the Sahara desert expanded, post-ice age, it pushed everybody farther from the equator. It took some serious killing way back then to take control of the land of Cannan.
Ok, I'll retract that thousands of years to hundreds of years.......



actually, the Jews have always been hated.

Wonder why that is?
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:27 pm

DVD Burner wrote:actually, the Jews have always been hated.

Wonder why that is?
they have always been wealthy. "the chosen people." and it continues.

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:30 pm

littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:actually, the Jews have always been hated.

Wonder why that is?
they have always been wealthy. and that continues.
Uuuummmm, I dont think that's the reason......... but usually what comes along with wealth comes greed.
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:38 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:actually, the Jews have always been hated.

Wonder why that is?
they have always been wealthy. and that continues.
Uuuummmm, I dont think that's the reason......... but usually what comes along with wealth comes greed.
i guess some people do get rich without it .... but most of the super rich are probably pretty damn greedy, dontcha think?

but lets be fair here ... i know jews who are not greedy, as well as non-jews who are...

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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:41 pm

Well i do have a huge problem with a certain group of people making huge amounts of money from diamonds gathered by children that have their limbs cut off.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:49 pm

Israel sends army reservists into Gaza battle


Reuters - 2 hours ago

By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Israeli leaders trying to find a knockout blow for Hamas militants defying a 17-day-old assault on the Gaza Strip have thrown army reservists into battle.

With the Palestinian death toll nearing 900 and world pressure for a ceasefire mounting, Israeli forces might launch a full-scale attack on Hamas smuggling tunnels on Gaza's border with Egypt, and perhaps a wider urban operation.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni met late on Sunday and decided to tighten pressure on Hamas, Israel Radio said.

"We have begun to integrate reservist forces into the action in the Gaza Strip," Israeli military spokesman Avi Benayahu said earlier. "We aren't acting in panic, but cautiously."

The reservists had been held back while Israeli leaders ponder an all-out ground offensive on Gaza's towns and cities to try to destroy Hamas's ability to fire rockets into Israel.

Such a move would risk higher Israeli military casualties as well as even heavier losses among the 1.5 million Palestinians packed into the tiny coastal enclave with no escape route.

Busloads of Israeli reservists headed south toward Gaza on Sunday as fighting raged on in the Hamas-ruled territory in defiance of a U.N. Security Council demand for a ceasefire.

Israeli warplanes have repeatedly bombed the so-called Philadelphi corridor along Gaza's 15 km (nine mile) border with Egypt, sometimes using "bunker buster" munitions that explode underground and cause shockwaves to try to collapse the tunnels.

"We are continuing to operate to restore calm to the south and to create a situation of effective action along the Philadelphi corridor," Barak told visiting German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the defense ministry said.

"We are determined to achieve the goals we have set for ourselves at the beginning of the operation, and are in parallel examining the diplomatic course as well," Barak said.

Israel, which rejected last week's U.N. ceasefire resolution as unworkable, wants a halt to rocket attacks and measures to stop Hamas from rearming via the cross-border tunnels.

Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal said his Islamist group would not consider a ceasefire until Israel ended its air, sea and ground assault and lifted its blockade of Gaza. A Hamas delegation is in Cairo for talks on an Egyptian truce plan.

Western and Israeli officials said diplomats were discussing a broad internationally-assisted monitoring system to help Egypt stop weapons smuggling and intercept rocket shipments.

Steinmeier told Livni Germany was ready to help Egypt combat smuggling by land and sea, Israeli officials said. Berlin has offered Egypt training and equipment, German diplomats said.

Israel believes at least some of Hamas's rockets arrived in Egypt by ship and were then transported overland across the Sinai peninsula before being sent into Gaza through tunnels.

Backed by helicopter gunships, Israeli tanks pushed into eastern and southern parts of the city of Gaza, attacking Hamas militants who fired anti-armor missiles and mortar bombs.

The Palestinian death toll since Israel's offensive began on December 27 stands at 890, many of them civilians, Gaza medical officials said. About 3,600 Palestinians have been wounded.

Thirteen Israelis -- three civilians hit by rocket fire and 10 soldiers -- have been killed, Israel says.

In Washington, President-elect Barack Obama said the deaths of Palestinian and Israeli civilians were "heartbreaking" and vowed early involvement in the quest for Middle East peace.

(Additional reporting by Adam Entous, Jeffrey Heller and Allyn Fisher-Ilan in Jerusalem; Writing by Alistair Lyon, editing by Ralph Gowling)
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:52 pm

If Israel has to send it's army reservists into Gaza, Hamas must be holdin their ground pretty well.

Either that or Israel needs more civilians to kill so they can feel better about themselves while they are loosing.

They need to kill some more women and children.

And here is the real dumb part, with all Israels soldiers in Gaza now, they all can be surrounded and trapped.

Everyone gets killed for sure.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:21 pm

Littleflower, i don't think that the issue is so much a question of wealth as control. The Mormons have a good sized empire but, don't try for control. The Amish and Mennonites don't get kicked out of dozens of countries. The Druids and Buddhists aren't trying to control the world. The Swiss don't catch heat for their wealth. The oil sheiks aren't trying to start wars in South Ossetia.
How is it that the jews engender so much hate and persecution? The Caesars hated them for their meddling. The Eastern Byzantine empire excluded jews from GOV, finance and teaching[?] They were one of the longest lasting empires. Is jewish meddling and power-grabbing the cause for their persecution? Sharon came right out and said on radio that israel controls America. Do you think that it's right to have the U.S. state dept run by israeli citizens? I don't
America had no enemies in the Middle-east until it had israel for a friend. Now, we've bankrupted America fighting israel's enemies. We're flat, fucking broke and controlled by israel.
I personally resent seeing America destroyed by israel. Do you?
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Post by littleflower » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:43 pm

can't sit still wrote:Littleflower, i don't think that the issue is so much a question of wealth as control. The Mormons have a good sized empire but, don't try for control. The Amish and Mennonites don't get kicked out of dozens of countries. The Druids and Buddhists aren't trying to control the world. The Swiss don't catch heat for their wealth. The oil sheiks aren't trying to start wars in South Ossetia.
How is it that the jews engender so much hate and persecution? The Caesars hated them for their meddling. The Eastern Byzantine empire excluded jews from GOV, finance and teaching[?] They were one of the longest lasting empires. Is jewish meddling and power-grabbing the cause for their persecution? Sharon came right out and said on radio that israel controls America. Do you think that it's right to have the U.S. state dept run by israeli citizens? I don't
America had no enemies in the Middle-east until it had israel for a friend. Now, we've bankrupted America fighting israel's enemies. We're flat, fucking broke and controlled by israel.
I personally resent seeing America destroyed by israel. Do you?
well ... as usual, i don't see the same world you see, CSS .... we live in completely different realities... so i really don't know how to answer you. i am no fan of israel, but i'm no fan of hamas, either .... something about photos of women dressed head to foot in lumpy black things, and ak-47 toting toddlers, get to me. as for israelis running our government ... i don't believe that, either, or that israel is responsible for the current financial mess. and yes, i look at a lot of what you post. i have my sources, you have yours. the best we can do is talk about stuff, but sometimes that is difficult.

i would love to see a perfect world, but it never has been, and never will be.... so i try to focus on my own world, and trying to influence where i can...

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:00 pm

Yes, different realities. I went and stayed in jerusalem for a couple of weeks. I visited a palestinian refugee camp. So, yes , different realities. Is your view based on what you read in MSM? Have you read the history of the area? There is only ONE reality with different viewpoints. I have no use for your viewpoint when mine is based on personal experience.
True, the Afghan war is for a pipeline. Iraq is for oil and a pipeline to the Caspian basin. That doesn't change the fact that israeli control of America has been quite detrimental.
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