Do you need water?

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:42 am

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LGd9D4J0lag

Watch the entire movie, you will be glad you did.

Peace

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:28 am

The water problem is not as serious as some would like you to believe. Advances in science have made desalinization feasible now, so as long as there are oceans we will have fresh water.

This is not to say I'm not for protecting the environment, but I just don't like seing people be alarmist about it. Everything in moderation, that's the key.

JK

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:32 am

The earth is running out of water!

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:18 am

jkisha wrote:The water problem is not as serious as some would like you to believe. Advances in science have made desalinization feasible now, so as long as there are oceans we will have fresh water.

This is not to say I'm not for protecting the environment, but I just don't like seing people be alarmist about it. Everything in moderation, that's the key.

JK

I'm not going to dispute the advances civilization has made in our ability to clean water. That is NOT the point of the film. I encourage you to watch it in it's entirety if you haven't already. The main point is who is controlling access to that water and that is reason to be very, very alarmed. It's easy for us in North America to not quite get it. We are among the richest 8% of the world's population and often have a hard time looking past our own backyard.

Who exactly were you referring to when you said "we will have fresh water" ?, the millions of people who die from or are displaced because of their lack of it?

Peace

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:18 pm

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:22 pm

we0ne wrote: Who exactly were you referring to when you said "we will have fresh water" ?, the millions of people who die from or are displaced because of their lack of it?

Peace

I suppose the argument could be made that if the lack of water didn't kill those people some other third world disease would. Maybe it's just smart world population control?

JK

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:37 pm

Water one day will replace oil as the next precious commodity.

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:46 pm

It is currently # 3, with oil and electricity leading the race respectively

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:14 pm

Water becomes very expensive when it has to be trucked in.
It has happened many times to u.s. cities already.
The usual cause is poison.
More to come.

betrdanevr · Post by **betrdanevr** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:31 pm

we0ne wrote:It is currently # 3, with oil and electricity leading the race respectively

And #2 is going to be affected if hydroelectric power plants go down for lack of water!

I know we're still in a drought in Atlanta. It's lasted for two years. Yes, we've had rain over the last year but not enough to bring Lake Lanier back up to levels needed for the metro Atlanta area and even down the Chattahoochee to Florida. We've been in a watering ban since 2007 at least, but at least it's better than it was then. It took the guvnah of our state to have a prayer vigil on the statehouse steps -- and two days later, we got rain. LOL

Greedy developers, overbuilding, and no planning for water. . .

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:44 pm

And don't forget a few multinationals paying off governments around the world to buy up as many water sources as possible. He who owns the water, owns the world.

Vivendi and Suez; literally sharks in our water

betrdanevr · Post by **betrdanevr** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 10:29 pm

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, WeOne. This aspect of it totally escaped me. (Of course, I'm prone to not see the trees for the forest sometimes. LOL)

United Water, a subsidiary of Suez, won a contract in Atlanta to manage our water system in 1999 -- the biggest water privatization deal ever at that time. The 20-year contract was cancelled after four years due to repeated problems with citizens getting dirty water or no water. The city did a good job before and they're doing a good job again. I didn't live in the city per se, but I heard that those affected got some really bad service from United.

The sharks buying up the water . . . I wonder if there's a Rothschild in the background . . .

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:15 am

310 million cubic miles. That's how much water we have.

There is the problem of salinity in most of it. You're going to need a very large power source in order to desalinate it. A real big power source. Hmmm.
Maybe delivered from a nearby fusion reactor to the earth's surface at the rate of 250 watts per square meter?

That's right, once it beomes feasible for desalination plants to be built along the California coast, California will become a net exporter of fresh water.

It's already being pioneered in other countries (the ones that lack the luxury of a Colorado river), expect it here soon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desalination

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:48 am

jkisha wrote:
we0ne wrote: Who exactly were you referring to when you said "we will have fresh water" ?, the millions of people who die from or are displaced because of their lack of it?

Peace
I suppose the argument could be made that if the lack of water didn't kill those people some other third world disease would. Maybe it's just smart world population control?

I thought the positing that Jeffry Sachs put forth in Common Wealth was a pretty interesting refutation of that idea. Basically, he says that when a lot of children die in childhood, the parents have more children to make sure that some are around to take care of them in old age. So basically, and counter-intuitively, a high mortality rate leads to a faster population growth rate.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:50 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
jkisha wrote:
we0ne wrote: Who exactly were you referring to when you said "we will have fresh water" ?, the millions of people who die from or are displaced because of their lack of it?

Peace
I suppose the argument could be made that if the lack of water didn't kill those people some other third world disease would. Maybe it's just smart world population control?
I thought the positing that Jeffry Sachs put forth in Common Wealth was a pretty interesting refutation of that idea. Basically, he says that when a lot of children die in childhood, the parents have more children to make sure that some are around to take care of them in old age. So basically, and counter-intuitively, a high mortality rate leads to a faster population growth rate.

That's interesting. I have never heard that said before.

JK

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:55 am

He says a lot of interesting things in that book.

we0ne · Post by **we0ne** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:30 pm

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:05 pm

Here in Michigan the hot topic in regards to water is the diversion of it from the great lakes to other states. All of the Gov's whose state abuts a great lake as well and the Canadian govt's involved have signed a pact to prevent diversion. I believe that Bush signed off on it and it has become law, but im not 100% sure on that, my shift is almost over, to late to research, to much eplaya to roam