Is Antarctica a blue state or a red state?

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Is Antarctica a blue state or a red state?

Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:31 pm

http://www.realclimate.org/
A couple of us (Eric and Mike) are co-authors on a paper coming out in Nature this week (Jan. 22, 09). We have already seen misleading interpretations of our results in the popular press and the blogosphere, and so we thought we would nip such speculation in the bud.

The paper shows that Antarctica has been warming for the last 50 years, and that it has been warming especially in West Antarctica (see the figure). The results are based on a statistical blending of satellite data and temperature data from weather stations. The results don't depend on the statistics alone. They are backed up by independent data from automatic weather stations, as shown in our paper as well as in updated work by Bromwich, Monaghan and others (see their AGU abstract, here), whose earlier work in JGR was taken as contradicting ours. There is also a paper in press in Climate Dynamics (Goosse et al.) that uses a GCM with data assimilation (and without the satellite data we use) and gets the same result. Furthermore, speculation that our results somehow simply reflect changes in the near-surface inversion is ruled out by completely independent results showing that significant warming in West Antarctica extends well into the troposphere. And finally, our results have already been validated by borehole thermometery — a completely independent method — at at least one site in West Antarctica (Barrett et al. report the same rate of warming as we do, but going back to 1930 rather than 1957; see the paper in press in GRL).
Wait, WEST Antarctica, and EAST Antarctica? How can that be, if it's as far south as you can get? Would every place in Antarctica be NORTH, relatively speaking.

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Post by Box Burner » Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:36 pm

I thought it was white most of the time. But they do have colorful light shows there.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:03 pm

That's a long way to go for a light show.

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Post by mdmf007 » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:02 pm

Less than 180 degrees is west, more than 180 is east.

so first its one then the other. Hope this helps

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Post by CapSmashy » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:02 pm

Trust me, the light show is worth it.

Although, you can stop in Patagonia to see the show instead.
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Post by littleflower » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:32 pm

well ... er ... if antarctica has an east and a west ... there must also be a north and south ... ? now i am totally confused. i mean ... if we have two bad witches, we also have to have two good witches! right....?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:52 pm

littleflower wrote:well ... er ... if antarctica has an east and a west ... there must also be a north and south ... ? now i am totally confused. i mean ... if we have two bad witches, we also have to have two good witches! right....?
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Post by Bounce530 » Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:08 am

How long is line during the light show? and how much for 3 bags of cubes, and 2 blocks? Shit wrong side uh?
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