Random thoughts...

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 3:45 pm

"The planned use of propaganda and other psychological actions having
the primary purpose of influencing the opinions, emotions, attitudes, and
behavior of hostile foreign groups in such a way as to support the
achievement of national objectives."

Lambic · Post by **Lambic** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:31 pm

I was thinking about what Mark Twain would do if he was brought back to life in the prime of his years, today.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:21 pm

Since he was the first to write a novel on a typewriter, I wonder if he would be intrigued by new technology or irritated by change?
Probably fascinated.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:11 am

Hey I want to be in your theme camp!

mayavin wrote:
"The planned use of propaganda and other psychological actions having
the primary purpose of influencing the opinions, emotions, attitudes, and
behavior of hostile foreign groups in such a way as to support the
achievement of national objectives."

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:10 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:Hey I want to be in your theme camp!

depending on my travel agent, i might not have it all thought out

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:38 pm

[youtube][/youtube]

evoke the spontanious?

aftershocks of the vagaries of revelation

conscious is empty but with what's revealed

all it's own way

taught sinews

slings and arrows

useful true's, lest we practice none

share ivory with the howling of wolves

see the angler fish

whittle woes, and hope

not a prize, not a wither till destroyed

but, smile

relax more fully than the cat

the sharpened claws lay idle
the chased tail at peace
[youtube][/youtube]

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:03 am

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:08 am

detachment... personae... atomic... purveyance... discourse, thatcourse

patently... patiently

no wonder?:

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:11 am

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:14 am

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 9:15 am

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:36 pm

I see that Nelson Mandela was released from prison 18 years ago.
It's nice that he hasn't re-offended.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:25 pm

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ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:20 pm

gyre wrote:I see that Nelson Mandela was released from prison 18 years ago.
It's nice that he hasn't re-offended.

was he in prison for necklacing?..........

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:36 pm

Hey, it was a joke.
What?
Too soon?

" In prison, you come face to face with time.
There is nothing more terrifying "

He was first prosecuted for non violent political dissension and charged with treason, but acquitted.

Giving up on a non-violent approach, he became head of Umkhonto we Sizwe and was prosecuted for terrorism, charged with sabotage.
Although guilty of involvement in action against property, it seems clear that the reason for prosecution was political effectiveness.

Although there were cases of violence by ANC members, the africanists and other groups were far more violent against people.

From Wikipedia~
In 1961, Mandela became leader of the ANC's armed wing, Umkhonto we Sizwe (translated Spear of the Nation, and also abbreviated MK), which he co-founded. He coordinated sabotage campaigns against military and government targets, making plans for a possible guerrilla war if the sabotage failed to end apartheid. Mandela also raised funds for MK abroad and arranged for paramilitary training of the group.

Fellow ANC member Wolfie Kadesh explains the bombing campaign led by Mandela:

"When we knew that we going to start on 16 December 1961, to blast the symbolic places of apartheid, like pass offices, native magistrates courts, and things like that ... post offices and ... the government offices. But we were to do it in such a way that nobody would be hurt, nobody would get killed." Mandela said of Wolfie: "His knowledge of warfare and his first hand battle experience were extremely helpful to me."

Mandela described the move to armed struggle as a last resort; years of increasing repression and violence from the state convinced him that many years of non-violent protest against apartheid had not and could not achieve any progress.

Later, mostly in the 1980s, MK waged a guerrilla war against the apartheid regime in which many civilians became casualties. Mandela later admitted that the ANC, in its struggle against apartheid, also violated human rights, sharply criticizing those in his own party who attempted to remove statements supporting this fact from the reports of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

On 5 August 1962 Mandela was arrested after living on the run for seventeen months, and was imprisoned in the Johannesburg Fort. The arrest was made possible because the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) tipped off the security police as to Mandela's whereabouts and disguise. Three days later, the charges of leading workers to strike in 1961 and leaving the country illegally were read to him during a court appearance. On 25 October 1962, Mandela was sentenced to five years in prison.

While Mandela was imprisoned, police arrested prominent ANC leaders on 11 July 1963, at Liliesleaf Farm, Rivonia, north of Johannesburg. Mandela was brought in, and at the Rivonia Trial they were charged by the chief prosecutor Dr. Percy Yutar with the capital crimes of sabotage (which Mandela admitted) and crimes which were equivalent to treason, but easier for the government to prove. The second charge accused the defendants of plotting a foreign invasion of South Africa, which Mandela denied.

In his statement from the dock at the opening of the defence case in the trial on 20 April 1964 at Pretoria Supreme Court, Mandela laid out the clarity of reasoning in the ANC's choice to use violence as a tactic. His statement revealed how the ANC had used peaceful means to resist apartheid for years until the Sharpeville Massacre. That event coupled with the referendum establishing the Republic of South Africa and the declaration of a state of emergency along with the banning of the ANC made it clear that their only choice was to resist through acts of sabotage. Doing otherwise would have been tantamount to unconditional surrender. Mandela went on to explain how they developed the Manifesto of Umkhonto we Sizwe on 16 December 1961 intent on exposing the failure of the National Party's policies after the economy would be threatened by foreigners' unwillingness to risk investing in the country. He closed his statement with these words:

â€œ During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to the struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

http://www.freedom.co.za/madiba.html
http://www.anc.org.za/people/mandela.html
http://www.anc.org.za/people/mandela/index.html
http://www.nelsonmandela.org/index.php
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peac ... a-bio.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1454208.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:47 am

I think the men who turn their backs on violence, King and Ghandi come to mind, of course, do have an incredible moral authority on these things. Even if they tried violence and discovered it failed, like X (okay Malcolm X) and Mandala they still have this thing, in some ways it's even more impressive, because they were able to see the futility of it through the way it's gratifying.

Do I make any sense?

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:36 pm

yes, Cryptofishy, you are correct.

Yesterday, I drove down to Marysville to make a video resume. Good Day Sacramento TV program was doing a remote in Marysville at the Appeal-Democrat newspaper office. I was number 111 of 124 participants. Later in the day I was looking at GDS's website. They only posted 87 videos. I was thinking today about why 37 of us didn't get on.

Self-examination is a great tool of learning. I looked at the published resumes, looking for commonalities. All were well groomed, emaculate even. All were well spoken. All were brief and to the point. They all had specific skills and experiance.

I was not well groomed, I stammered and was overlong in speaking. I failed to mention enough specifics. I failed to make a good first impression and it was entirely my own fault. It dawned on me that my unemployment and all my difficulties were my own doing or failure to act.

I have to praise myself, however, for getting out there and making the attempt. We learn just as much by examinining our failures than by counting our successes. Great men are capable of change, small men are not able to change,.....and learn.

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:03 pm

Tragedy is an imitation of an action that is admirable, complete
(composed of an introduction, a middle part and an ending), and
possesses magnitude; in language made pleasurable, each of its species
separated in different parts; performed by actors, not through narration;
effecting through pity and fear the purification of such emotions.

tragic... really

mayavin · Post by **mayavin** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:53 pm

visual learners
kinesthetic learners
tactile learners
auditory learners

with the prominance and depth of eye perception,
as if to say "hey look... the sun universe"

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:52 pm

My perception of events was wrong. I only thought that because my video was not put up that I had done something incorrectly. Not true!...I must learn patience, and not be so selfdepricating.

My video resume was posted today. I'm number 110 on the site. It just took them 2 days to add the videos to the site. D'oh!...
http://gooddaysacramento.com/jobcenter/ ... ?cwrid=105

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:16 pm

Oldguy wrote:yes, Cryptofishy, you are correct.

Yesterday, I drove down to Marysville to make a video resume. Good Day Sacramento TV program was doing a remote in Marysville at the Appeal-Democrat newspaper office. I was number 111 of 124 participants. Later in the day I was looking at GDS's website. They only posted 87 videos. I was thinking today about why 37 of us didn't get on.

Self-examination is a great tool of learning. I looked at the published resumes, looking for commonalities. All were well groomed, emaculate even. All were well spoken. All were brief and to the point. They all had specific skills and experiance.

I was not well groomed, I stammered and was overlong in speaking. I failed to mention enough specifics. I failed to make a good first impression and it was entirely my own fault. It dawned on me that my unemployment and all my difficulties were my own doing or failure to act.

I have to praise myself, however, for getting out there and making the attempt. We learn just as much by examinining our failures than by counting our successes. Great men are capable of change, small men are not able to change,.....and learn.

Sounds like you learned an important lesson.

JK

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:48 pm

jkisha wrote:
Oldguy wrote:yes, Cryptofishy, you are correct.

Yesterday, I drove down to Marysville to make a video resume. Good Day Sacramento TV program was doing a remote in Marysville at the Appeal-Democrat newspaper office. I was number 111 of 124 participants. Later in the day I was looking at GDS's website. They only posted 87 videos. I was thinking today about why 37 of us didn't get on.

Self-examination is a great tool of learning. I looked at the published resumes, looking for commonalities. All were well groomed, emaculate even. All were well spoken. All were brief and to the point. They all had specific skills and experiance.

I was not well groomed, I stammered and was overlong in speaking. I failed to mention enough specifics. I failed to make a good first impression and it was entirely my own fault. It dawned on me that my unemployment and all my difficulties were my own doing or failure to act.

I have to praise myself, however, for getting out there and making the attempt. We learn just as much by examinining our failures than by counting our successes. Great men are capable of change, small men are not able to change,.....and learn.
Sounds like you learned an important lesson.

Fuck Important Lessons!

I want to experience wierdness beyond the Alps, not learn "important lessons."

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:04 am

Right, life should be a playground or amusement park NOT a fucking school.
Things go wrong because things go wrong, not for some Higher Purpose.
But whatever helps you sleep at night.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:10 am

I think we are all correct here.

You just can't pay your bills with total wierdness and playing in the playground 100% of the time without learning a lesson or two along the way.

Balance is key.

JK

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:19 am

not only would taking the rope for the snake be a waste of useful time,
the organistic storage of the stress induced purely by mind raises national health costs

the fire elf · Post by **the fire elf** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:27 am

mostly because incidents indicate tendencies, while tendencies are obscured by instance interpretation variables

a social role is a set of connected behaviors, rights and obligations as
conceptualized by actors in a social situation. It is an expected behavior in
a given individual social status and social position. It is vital to both
functionalist and interactionist understandings of society.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 6:53 am

Look both ways.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:04 am

harder for the "cranio-rectally inverted" to do.......considering their handicap................

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:36 am

http://www.stevenkenny.com/default.asp

JK

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:49 am

Happy New Year!

Random thoughts...

"In prison, you come face to face with time."

Year of the Ox