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Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:48 pm

It seems to me that Joel was cutting and pasting political articles in order to spark debate. I don't think that demeans him, his intellect or his contribution to this topic.

In fact, I think his pasted article has more content to it than the assertions you made and consider 'proved' because you pointed everbody to a website.

If you mean to prove something, provide the proof. Please don't point people at a website with a poorly organized mass of sloppily written, uncritical and hard-on-the-eyes 'articles,' and expect them to winnow through the proverbial shit looking for your alleged pony.

Responsibility for proving your point belongs to you.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:07 pm

Don Muerto wrote: If you mean to prove something, provide the proof.

Ignorance is bliss. I need not prove anything I've posted because what I post is proof. That's why I post it.
I like Joel and he knows that. Several lines of text takes up more disk space than a single link.

BTW I like you too Don. you may have a problem with that but that's ok. you dont know me.

May I suggest you just take a big breath and get over whatever it is that is bothering you and put a little twist on it.

You'll feel much better.

Now back to politics. Why is it gonna take Dr. Rice a week to get her shit together? Should'nt she have her shit together already? If not, what is she doing with a Phd. and teaching at Stamford no less.

(well it's not Columbia U. or Cornell U.) east coast rules.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:15 pm

Well I guess you are one of the ones to prove the above not to be true.

What I have posted is not anything of what I have written. These are facts. not my opinion. In fact, you have not heard my opinion about this yet.

So please enlighten me as to what in the link I've posted is not true or just my opinion.

This is you stating that your assertions need to be disproven by Joel.

Simply stating that something is true, or a fact, or 'proof' carries absolutely no merit. Allow me to demonstrate:

* Black is White
* Up is Down
* This is Proof

None of these statements is provably true, yet I assert them much as you have asserted political points that I do not beleive you can back up. Instead of you insisting that your point be disproven, how about you prove it for us?

Please feel free to use a link if it is to some content that is directly applicable to the subject. Providing a link to the sinfinity site does not accomplish this.

Also, given that this is a political discussion thread. Please leave your feelings for me and your thoughts about what I need emotionally and mentally out of it. Your argument should be able to stand on it's own without you impugning those that question it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:35 pm

Well I guess you are one of the ones to prove the above not to be true.

I see you've been away from eplaya too long. You've seem to have lost your satrical humor bone. So since you misunderstood what I ment I'll explain. That was a sarcastic statement.

2. I dont need to prove what is posted in the http://www.sinfinity.net link because the accused in the link have left a huge paper trail. if you do your research ( I have, and I'm not gonna do it for you nor hold your hand.) It is common knowledge what the Bush family's history is. Has been for 4 generations.

3. I dont need to prove any of the above because it will be totally clear before the year is out. I need not write the book here. there are plenty of them written already.

4. fools like Bush always fail because 1) it's genetic, 2) their IQ shows it, and 3) they always fuck up in a big public way. (this is proven with Nixon.)

come back to me in about 2 months with the same question.

anyhoo, back to Dr. Rice.

will she be proven to have purgered herself and will she and this administration be put in jail? ( I think they will committ suicide and try to take the rest of the world with them.)

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:41 pm

No one of any consequence in this Administration will be doing jail time. There will always be the G.G. Liddy's and Oliver North's for that.

I think you will find Dr. Rice's testimony to be almost totally useless. She will hover, safely tethered to her talking points and never really say anything at all.

After all, what does she have to prove? That the Bush Administration took terrorism seriously enough?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:46 pm

speaking of big mistakes, here's a big one.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/lettersstatements.htm

and this is not made up by so called off the wall nuts. it was posted by the nuts I speak of that leave huge paper trails.

Now with this one read at the bottom to know who is involved with this fuck up.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/state ... ciples.htm

what loosers.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:50 pm

Why do you think it is a big mistake for the PNAC to publish it's beliefs and goals. They are totally up front about what they are about, and none of it illuminates anything that isn't already apparent.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:50 pm

Don Muerto wrote:No one of any consequence in this Administration will be doing jail time. There will always be the G.G. Liddy's and Oliver North's for that.

I think you will find Dr. Rice's testimony to be almost totally useless. She will hover, safely tethered to her talking points and never really say anything at all.

After all, what does she have to prove? That the Bush Administration took terrorism seriously enough?

exactly my point.

there is a revolution around the corner and guess who will loose?
hint: the ones with the lowest IQ's.

It will take awhile but everyone will have to learn that one world is enough for all of us. But then again.....humans......

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:55 pm

I think as long as the vast majority of Americans are overfed and given enough plastic Americredits to buy a new TV every couple of years then you will wait a damn long time before you see any revolution.

It's silly of you to characterize the people that lead the most powerful nation in the world as "low IQ." These people are not stupid, they have an agenda and manage to coerce hundreds of millions of people worldwide to fullfill it.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:57 pm

Don Muerto wrote:Why do you think it is a big mistake for the PNAC to publish it's beliefs and goals. They are totally up front about what they are about, and none of it illuminates anything that isn't already apparent.

PNAC has incriminated themselves. no need for me to show my cards at this point. nor will anyone else that wants and knows that these people need to be put away for the worlds sake and for there to be world peace.

Fact: if the Brittish and certain Americans did'nt go mucking in places that were doing perfectly fine before they got there the world would have been a better place. and I am speaking of at least several centuries ago. and they are doing it again as they repeat history.

who knows, knowing them they will do their best to try and change history again. you know what that's called? Lying.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:00 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
PNAC has incriminated themselves. no need for me to show my cards at this point. nor will anyone else that wants and knows that these people need to be put away for the worlds sake and for there to be world peace.

Fact: if the Brittish and certain Americans did'nt go mucking in places that were doing perfectly fine before they got there the world would have been a better place. and I am speaking of at least several centuries ago. and they are doing it again as they repeat history.

who knows, knowing them they will do their best to try and change history again. you know what that's called? Lying.

None of that contributes anything to a discussion of PNAC. Would you be more comfortable on another subject?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:00 pm

Don Muerto wrote:I think as long as the vast majority of Americans are overfed and given enough plastic Americredits to buy a new TV every couple of years then you will wait a damn long time before you see any revolution.

It's silly of you to characterize the people that lead the most powerful nation in the world as "low IQ." These people are not stupid, they have an agenda and manage to coerce hundreds of millions of people worldwide to fullfill it.

America is not the world and the world out numbers America. remember that.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:03 pm

DVD Burner wrote: America is not the world and the world out numbers America. remember that.

So you are saying that a anti-American world revolution is imminent? Think it's safe to 'show your cards' on this one?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:05 pm

Don Muerto wrote: None of that contributes anything to a discussion of PNAC. Would you be more comfortable on another subject?

This is the politics thread. why choose another topic? are you uncomfotable discussing it?

sounding like thoes that dont want to show the incedent of the "Blackwater" security car bombing in Iraq yesterday.
more comfy with watching "the passion"?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:07 pm

Don Muerto wrote: So you are saying that a anti-American world revolution is imminent? Think it's safe to 'show your cards' on this one?

No, the world doen't have a beef with America. they have a beef with this Bush establishment. everyone else is getting caught in the crossfire.
the sooner Americans recognize this the sooner they will see the truth.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:08 pm

DVD Burner wrote: This is the politics thread. why choose another topic? are you uncomfotable discussing it?

No, I am perfectly comfortable discussing PNAC. It was you who didn't want to show his cards.

Are you able to discuss PNAC without compromising something you would rather not?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:10 pm

hey man sorry. I gotta take a break.

I gotta eat. can sombody else take over for a few? I'll brb.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:11 pm

DVD Burner wrote: No, the world doen't have a beef with America. they have a beef with this Bush establishment. everyone else is getting caught in the crossfire.
the sooner Americans recognize this the sooner they will see the truth.

I'm a little confused.

You said a revolution was coming, and I said Americans were too contented.

You replied that "America is not the world and the world out numbers America" and I asked if you are predicting a worldwide revolution.

Now you say the world doesn't have a beef with America, so I ask for clarification, again: What is this revolution you are referring to?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:26 pm

Don Muerto wrote: I'm a little confused.

Is there no wonder why?

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:30 pm

Is it possible for you to contribute to a Politics thread with Political content?

Are you uncomfortable discussing your assertion that "there is a revolution around the corner?"

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:36 pm

Don Muerto wrote:Is it possible for you to contribute to a Politics thread with Political content?

hey, we both are.

Don Muerto wrote: Are you uncomfortable discussing your assertion that "there is a revolution around the corner?"

Everybody is playing by the same rules. The rules put in place by the lower IQ's. that's what a revolution/evolution is all about. how do you think the Americans separated from the British.

btw, I right now am so comfortable. I feel like a cozy little big bear.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:42 pm

very comfy

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:43 pm

A cozy little big bear? Huh?

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:43 pm

So, (and correct me if I am wrong), what you are saying is that currently the people of the planet are ruled by a homogenous set of rules set by the less intelligent among them, and that a reversal of this which you characterize as a 'revolution' is imminent. Yes?

Why? Why would people change/evolve/revolt? Human societies have supported ruling classes throughout history and pan-culturally. In fact, it seems to be one of the few constants in human political relations.

What is it about now that makes this change imminent?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:46 pm

Tancorix wrote:A cozy little big bear? Huh?

That was pretty funny huh?

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:56 pm

Well Tony, it's time for me to go. I'll 'discuss politics' with you some other time.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:57 pm

Don Muerto wrote:Well Tony, it's time for me to go. I'll 'discuss politics' with you some other time.

hey it was great debating with you tonight.

see ya tomorrow.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:30 am

Sometimes, I am filled with the urge to defecate.

Regarding the new login… the ornery is gone, long live the ornery.
Ornery was one facet of my diamond like existence which is "simply" not going to expressed by me any longer. I won't deliver my opinion via sock puppets... just in this personae... or until I grow weary of it.

Regarding " homogenous set of rules" as referred to by Don Muerto... as I have been taught, those rules are a result of "intrinsic values" The intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that that thing has “in itself,” or “for its own sake,” or “as such,” or “in its own right.” Cite: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/value ... extrinsic/

Chew on that one for a little while... it will make your brain full and hurt.

Google results: 197,000 for "intrinsic value"

Maybe "ethics" will be next....

glam_daddy · Post by **glam_daddy** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:41 am

Hey thanks dvd! just doing my part to spread some info
http://www.jordansplace.net/politics/politics.html

DVD Burner wrote: Glam_daddy Rocks.
I've seen that page floating around from time to time and saw some other intersting things on there. mostly the photography and other graphics, but it's a nice site.

I'm not sure if I put it under "Really got it going on".

anyhoo, tight site.

Don Muerto · Post by **Don Muerto** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 2:19 pm

Simply Joel wrote: Regarding " homogenous set of rules" as referred to by Don Muerto... as I have been taught, those rules are a result of "intrinsic values"

For the record, I was attempting to understand De Facto's argument. I don't believe there to be a homogenous set of operational rules.

I also do not believe that any rule has intrinsic value, it only has subjective value which will vary according to the perceiver. obPolitics, the illegalization of Marijuana as a Schedule I controlled substance may appear to somebody like John Ashcroft as a first, and necessary, line of defense against drug addiction. To me, lumping marijuana in a category with LSD and heroin and as more dangerous than Schedule II drugs like cocaine is simply preposterous. Who is right? Nobody, it's purely subjective.