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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:50 pm

goathead wrote:
DVD Burner wrote: It would be a good idea to post some facts of when they have just I have posted facts of when Israel has lied.
Sort of like this.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_conte ... ticle=1603
DVD Burner wrote:Seems you dont really know what is going on with Israel and the zionist that run the place at the moment.
They are full blown Racists. It's why everyone is calling what Israel is doing apartheid. Fuckin aye right I'd fight against these assholes too.
So you judge all Israelis by that asshole?

If I judged all Palestinians by the acts of their "martyrs" like the one who killed a friend of mine back in 2000 I would say FUCKING FRY THEM ALL.
But I don't think they are all like that.
As far as not knowing what's going on FUCK YOU.
DVD Burner wrote:Too bad Hamas doesn't have the weapons Israel has.
goathead wrote:Wishing for a bigger and better blood bath? Yep, thats real constructive.
DVD Burner wrote:See my statement above.
Like I said you wish to see a bigger blood bath right? I would rather see PEACE.

DVD Burner wrote:You mean the same ol lies Israel has been doing for 60 years. Can you at least do your research? Dude, you really are a sucker for American news media TV.
Just like you suck up the Hamas lies.
DVD Burner wrote:Israel doesn't seem to be able to stop the rockets from coming in.
DVD Burner wrote:So I guess you agree with the racist that run Israel eh?
Hey, that's on you.
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Our Qur'an was right and your Talmud lied.
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You will never return. We will drive you out of the belly of the earth and you will disappear from the surface of the earth.

And I guess you agree with the murdering fuckers who never want peace till Israel disappears from the face of the Earth.

So just what does that make you?

the least you could do was use a legitamate paper other than the camera thing and as far as what the paper has posted in their link.....


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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:54 pm

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littleflower wrote:you wanna talk apartheid, DVD?

the only palestinians who do not live under apartheid are those living in israel or the west.
Wrong again.

How do you explain this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/ ... 9723.shtml
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:55 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Just so everyone knows, a faction of fatah admitted today it was they that shot off the last round of rockets into Israel.

News at 11.
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Post by goathead » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:03 pm

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Still haven't heard your opinion on the apartheid Israel is imposing.

Israel wouldn't have the problems they have now if apartheid was not imposed.

Nor have I heard your opinion about how the U.S and Israel created Hamas.

What say you?


And I have watched all your videos. Have you watched any of mine?
Apartheid= the new buzz word.

I guess they are lucky they are dealing with the Israelis and not Jordan.

"September 1970 is known as the Black September (Arabic: أيلول الأسود) in Arab history and sometimes is referred to as the "era of regrettable events." It was a month when Hashemite King Hussein of Jordan moved to quash the autonomy of Palestinian organizations and restore his monarchy's rule over the country.[2] The violence resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the vast majority Palestinian.[1] Armed conflict lasted until July 1971 with the expulsion of the PLO and thousands of Palestinian fighters to Lebanon."

These people are PAWNS, of the Middle East.
I doubt very much whether the KSA, Syria, Iran, or any number of other players would ever let them make peace with Israel.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:14 pm

goathead wrote:
DVD Burner wrote: It would be a good idea to post some facts of when they have just I have posted facts of when Israel has lied.
Sort of like this.
http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_conte ... ticle=1603
DVD Burner wrote:Seems you dont really know what is going on with Israel and the zionist that run the place at the moment.
They are full blown Racists. It's why everyone is calling what Israel is doing apartheid. Fuckin aye right I'd fight against these assholes too.
So you judge all Israelis by that asshole?
So let me reiterate again:
DVD Burner wrote:Seems you dont really know what is going on with Israel and the zionist that run the place at the moment.
They are full blown Racists. It's why everyone is calling what Israel is doing apartheid. Fuckin aye right I'd fight against these assholes too.
Let me again leave you with an accurate ACTUAL Racist Zionist Rabbi speaking the words himself from his own mouth and the other Racist Zionists on Palestinian property from their own mouths.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:16 pm

It's really not my problem if you have a hard time accepting the truth.

I just post the facts.

Note; I dont post propaganda cartoons gathered from some source I know nothing about.

Try doing some real research.

The videos I post speak for themselves.
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Post by littleflower » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:30 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
littleflower wrote:you wanna talk apartheid, DVD?

the only palestinians who do not live under apartheid are those living in israel or the west.
Wrong again.

How do you explain this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/ ... 9723.shtml
Just want to make sure Little doesn't miss this wonderful footage that was just aired on American TV not long ago.
DVD, we have no argument about israeli settlements. the israelis should leave them, and let palestinians have the houses ... or give the palestinians land to compensate. i am as disgusted at israel as you are on that point.

what i was referring to above was palestinians who are israeli citizens, or citizens of the west, vs. palestinians living in syria, lebanon, and other arab countries.

i thought this was clear.... your link above was your usual feeble attempt at a response. and i agree with goathead - the arabs do not want peace, or they would help the palestinian people with life, rather than war...and death.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:51 pm

littleflower wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
DVD Burner wrote: Wrong again.

How do you explain this: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/ ... 9723.shtml
Just want to make sure Little doesn't miss this wonderful footage that was just aired on American TV not long ago.
DVD, we have no argument about israeli settlements. the israelis should leave them, and let palestinians have the houses ... or give the palestinians land to compensate. i am as disgusted at israel as you are on that point.

what i was referring to above was palestinians who are israeli citizens, or citizens of the west, vs. palestinians living in syria, lebanon, and other arab countries.

i thought this was clear.... your link above was your usual feeble attempt at a response. and i agree with goathead - the arabs do not want peace, or they would help the palestinian people with life, rather than war...and death.
the point has gone straight out the window with you 2.

You blakently say "The Arabs" then accuse me of saying the same when it comes to Israel when I explicitly say "THOSE THAT RUN ISRAEL" I have even gone as far as saying " THE RACIST ZIONIST THAT CURRENTLY RUN ISRAEL".

Fact of the matter is, THERE ARE TONS OF ARABS that are trying to work things out with Israel as we speak.

Dont tell me Egypt and Jordan has not this past month.
Fact of the matter is, Israel has a history of starting shit in the area and giving excuses/lies for their bloodbaths. They have even done it to American military.

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Post by thirt33n » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:04 pm

...this thread resembles the endless headache of the middle east.

mine, no, mine, no mine, you did it, no, you did it, no wrong, you're wrong.

if i was GOD i would evacuate and submerge the whole middle east, make all muslims stay south of the equator and make all jews stay north of the equator and eat a big slice of pizza pie.

stubborn close minded people fanning endless flames.
blow.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:19 pm

thirt33n wrote:...this thread resembles the endless headache of the middle east.

mine, no, mine, no mine, you did it, no, you did it, no wrong, you're wrong.

if i was GOD i would evacuate and submerge the whole middle east, make all muslims stay south of the equator and make all jews stay north of the equator and eat a big slice of pizza pie.

stubborn close minded people fanning endless flames.
Everything was fine there till the British and french created that mess.

Well the Americans also.

but the fact of the matter is, the shit has to get fixed.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:27 pm

here are some other facts, Hamas has offered a truce and kept to it 8 times.
Israel has not and has lied to the world that they have and lied about Hamas not keeping the truce.

I'm sorry but I hate liars.

I'm just that way.
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Post by Elderberry » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:58 pm

thirt33n wrote: stubborn close minded people fanning endless flames.
right you are.

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From Gaza to Jerusalem: the impact of war on the Israeli election

Peter Beaumont finds Israel's peace movement being pushed to the margins like never before as the country prepares to vote



* Peter Beaumont
* guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 3 February 2009 11.03 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/fe ... gaza-peace

Out of Gaza and across the border to the sound of rocket fire.

A handful of hours later I am at the Hebrew University for a lecture by Gershon Baskin, one of Israel's most prominent peace activists, who is describing his attempts to open a channel of communication between Israel's leaders and Hamas.

It's a strange and sudden quantum shift – from the ruins, anxiety and stench of war to normality, calm and mannered debate. What it entails is a journey from one ethos of conflict, the Palestinian one still raw, edgy and angry from the recent violence, to an Israeli one, expressed – most obviously for most – in the harsh rhetoric of political contest.

In a bare room littered with bean bags and exposed piping, less than a dozen students sit patiently to listen to Baskin's account. The meeting has been organised by a group called It Is No Legend. It is an ironic play on a quote from Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism: "If you will it, it is no legend".

Herzl meant the will to bring about the foundation of Israel. Among this group it signifies the will to peace and coexistence with Palestinian Arabs.

I know Baskin via his articles and his emails. The story he tells to the students is largely unreported: one of the hidden tales that Israel's government would like to gloss over.

In meetings with Hamas figures, arranged through texts, calls and emails, Baskin established a kind of one-way channel of communication to the office of Israel's prime minister, Ehud Olmert. It was the offer of a means of negotiation that Olmert and his government emphatically rejected.

The students pose questions at the end. Was the war inevitable, they want to know. Most think it was. What are the prospects for the future? It is a subdued gathering.

The reality is that the facts of the war, the civilian deaths and the destruction, are not simply better known in Gaza than they are in Israel. In its sparse attendance, this meeting reflects a fundamental shift in Israeli society – despite the students' excuses to the contrary.

Support for the war has been almost unanimous at up to 94%. Israel's peace movement, as a consequence, has been pushed to the margins like never before. More than that, many of its members have been co-opted.

I recall a conversation I had with Orith Shochat before going into Gaza. A liberal Israeli journalist, she has spent most of her life campaigning against the occupation. It was Shochat who drafted the 2003 letter for the Israeli air force pilots who refused to take part in attacks on civilian areas. This is a war, however, that Shochat has supported.

When I ask her about the civilian casualties she tells me she is "shocked how it does not shock her". "I am amazed," she adds, "how it doesn't haunt me."

She reflects on a journey over five years that led her to the conclusion that the targeted assassinations she once opposed might be more moral than the alternative. That there might be no other solution to the rocket fire out of Gaza than a demonstration that Israel's commitment to deterrence has not weakened.

I meet others – at a friend's flat in Jerusalem and elsewhere – who evince the same views while insisting that they belong to the left; that they support the idea of peace and a negotiated two-state solution.

I hear from several people the conviction that out of the blood of Gaza a new solution and impetus towards peace might yet be born. It is a view, having come from Gaza, that I struggle to understand.

Physics student Ofek Birnholtz, 25, who organised the lecture at the Hebrew University, offers another take. He is convinced that the two trends – strong support for the war and growing support for the end of occupation and a two-state solution – coexist; that it is caught up in a moment of collective anger that will pass.

But the political dynamics of the Israeli election campaign suggest something else is going on. The rightwing Likud party of Binyamin Netanyahu, and the far-right Yisrael Beiteinu party of Avigdor Lieberman – both of which had the least to do with the war against Gaza and Hamas – have have benefited most, suggesting a nationalist retrenchment.

The reality is that a polarisation and radicalisation within Palestinian society has been reflected in an equal radicalisation among Israeli Jews, accelerated by the conflict in Gaza, that has seen even well-established connections between peacemakers on both sides collapse.

The question that remains is why?

For Daniel Bar-Tal, of Tel Aviv University, who has a long record of researching the functioning of each group's "conflict ethos" in the Israeli-Palestinian confrontation, the current state of the national psyche is as much manufactured as it is willed.

He explained it in a recent interview in Haaretz. "After the bitter experience of the second Lebanon war, during which the memory of the war was taken out of their hands and allowed to be formed freely," he explained, "the country's leaders learned their lesson, and decided that they wouldn't let that happen again.

"They were not satisfied with attempts to inculcate Palestinian awareness and tried to influence Jewish awareness in Israel as well. For that purpose, heavy censorship and monitoring of information were imposed [during the Gaza campaign]."

It was achieved, he believes, by the willing enlistment of the media, who concentrated only on the sense of victimisation of residents of the so-called "Gaza envelope" – those within the range of missiles from Gaza – largely ignoring the situation of the residents of besieged Gaza.

The veteran peace campaigner Gila Svirsky, of Women in Black, argues for an even more radical interpretation. At her small flat in Jerusalem, cluttered with the mementoes of her life in activism, she says she believes that much of the rejection of the "others' story" has been self-willed.

Gila tells me a story. It is about a neighbour who admits avoiding the take of foreign media on Gaza to avoid being challenged in her assumptions.

"You can feel it," says Gila. "The temptation of being sucked into only watching Israeli news. It is really hard to extricate oneself from the dominant discourse. There is a word in Hebrew – miguyas – it means, I suppose, seduced. People don't want to go there. Don't want to think bad thoughts [about what is being done in their name]."

It has been accomplished, Svirsky insists, by portraying Hamas as an "existential threat, the forward guard of Iran", not as a local problem to be negotiated. It is precisely the story that Netanyahu has been pushing so hard and successfully in the election campaign.

But there is another difficulty. While those like Gershon Baskin frame the war in terms of multiple missed opportunities to engage with Hamas – or attempts to understand it at least – there are others on the left like Yaron Ezrahi, author and professor of politics at the Hebrew University, who believe there was a failure on the Israeli left's part to formulate an adequate response to the Qassam missiles fired out of Gaza into southern Israel.

Despite that, this war – he insists to me – will be Israel's "Macbeth moment". It will be something – to reverse Shochat's formulation – to shock in the long run. "Israel will be forever haunted by the ghosts of this war," Ezrahi says sadly.

But in the immediate aftermath of war, there does not seem to be much haunting of the majority. It is embraced enthusiastically, grimly or fatalistically as necessary.

At the margins it is not rejected but avoided. I meet an elderly woman in a deli in west Jerusalem, listening to the radio and drinking her tea among a handful of pavement tables. I am told she was a demolitions expert in the Palmach, the organisation that fought for Israel's creation in 1948.

We chat and she is happy to talk about most things. But when I ask her about the current situation she says – with a touch of anger at my presumption in asking the question – that she does not feel well enough informed to comment.

A young woman at Hebrew University, who listens to Baskin for an hour and half, fends off my questions with the same determined excuse: she does not know enough.

But in the offices of Breaking the Silence, the organisation of former Israeli soldiers dedicated to exposing human rights abuses committed by the Israeli defence forces, Michael Manekin and Yehuda Shaul believe it is simply a question of time.

After previous operations, they say, it has taken six months to a year for soldiers to come forward with testimony about events that disturbed them.

The media, Manekin explains, acted as the military's cheerleader at the beginning of the war in Gaza. Now, he says, it is calling every day, hungry for soldiers' stories that contradict the official line.

Yehuda, a burly former infantryman who served during Operation Defensive Shield in 2002, opens up a scanned file on his computer – a pamphlet circulated by the army's chief military rabbi to soldiers before entering Gaza. It is a document as unsettling in its own way as the religious justifications of Hamas for its own violence. It talks about the necessity of cruelty against the enemy, and dehumanises and de-legitimises the Palestinians and their claims.

Manekin translates the words: "We are not allowed by religious command to return an inch of land to the Palestinians. It is our land – God's land. There is a question [in the pamphlet]: 'Can we compare the Palestinians now to the biblical era of the Philistines? And if so, does this guide us how we act militarily'? The answer says: 'Yes we can. The Palestinians like the Philistines are not a natural part of this region'."

Listening to Manekin, I think about the words of Bar-Tal. And I wonder – as I have always wondered in wartime – how much is manufactured? How much willed?

And I wonder what kind of government a society still drunk on the euphoria of military action will elect with a handful of days remaining.
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Hamas: Israel offering banned Gaza aid goods in return for Schalit
Feb 4, 2009 1:19 | Updated Feb 4, 2009 1:22
Hamas: Israel offering banned Gaza aid goods in return for Schalit

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Israel offered to allow 75% of the goods currently banned from entering Gaza into the Strip in exchange for the release of abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Schalit, Hamas leader Salah Bardawil told the Palestinian Ma'an News Agency on Tuesday evening. The remaining 25% are goods Israel says could be used to make weapons.

Speaking from Cairo, where cease-fire talks were being held, Bardawil said Hamas was regarding the Egyptian ceasefire proposal positively. However, he added, Hamas asked for explanations of some Israeli conditions.

"We do not object a ceasefire in exchange for lifting the siege and opening crossing points. We don't oppose addressing Schalit's case in tandem with ceasefire negotiations, but asked for explanations about the nature of this material Israel won't let in," he added, asserting that Hamas would be ready for a prisoner exchange with Israel from tomorrow.

Bardawil added that Hamas would, as a part of a ceasefire, agree to stop firing projectiles into Israel. However, he said Hamas asked for Egypt's help in convincing other factions to restrain themselves.

With regard to Israel's demand that Hamas stop smuggling through tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border, he said Hamas's response is that Hamas is not a state and would need help in clamping down on smuggling.

However, Bardawil added, "Hamas won't agree on stopping smuggling weapons into Gaza because that would mean the end of resistance."
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:22 pm

Egypt has gotten themselves boxed in, in this one. They have foolishly let their population rise too high. After their latest war with israel, the US agreed to pay them off yearly not to fight with israel. If I recall correctly, we payed israel something like $ 8 B and egypt <7>. Egypt can't possibly feed their people without US money. Mubarak is screwed no matter what. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=30204
The egyptians seemed to be a pretty cool people,,,, as long as they weren't driving. I walked Cairo for a few days. The egyptian GOV can't afford to support the palestinians. Sad.
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:31 pm

Much at stake for Egypt in Palestinian-Israel talks


If Cairo brokers a long-term cease-fire between Hamas and Israel, it could reaffirm its stature as an influential voice in the Middle East.


By Jeffrey Fleishman


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 7872.story


5:04 PM PST, February 4, 2009
Reporting from Cairo -- Men with satchels and briefcases come and go, negotiating into the night, slipping away in the morning, attempting to make peace in a place where it seems hardest to find.

An Egyptian spy with a wisp of a mustache and an array of tailored suits listens to them all: the Israelis and the moderate and radical Palestinians, including those from the militant group Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip. Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman has been working to cement a lasting truce between Hamas and Israel, and to bring reconciliation between rival Palestinian parties.

There is something else at stake for Cairo: its reputation as an influential voice in the Middle East. Its Persian Gulf allies, such as Saudi Arabia, have emerged as prominent players in Arab affairs while Iran, with its links to Syria and the Islamic group Hezbollah in Lebanon, is regarded as a dangerous mix of swagger and mischief that challenges Egypt's sway in an unstable region.

Cairo fears the 22-day Israeli incursion into the Gaza Strip has polarized the Arab world between moderate states and those taking a harder line against Washington and Israel. Cairo believes hammering out a long-term cease-fire between Hamas and Israel and easing hostilities between the Palestinian camps will reaffirm its stature at a time when the Obama administration is considering renewing Egypt's nearly $2 billion in annual U.S. military and economic aid.

"Egypt wants to prove its critics wrong," said political analyst Mustafa Kamel Sayed. "It wants to say to the American administration, 'We are quite useful for Middle East peace.' "

Egypt has given Hamas until Thursday to accept a deal on a "durable" truce with Israel. The temporary cease-fire between the two that began Jan. 18 has been rattled by Palestinian rockets that have streamed into Israel, followed by retaliatory airstrikes.

Mistrust also runs deep between Hamas and the Fatah faction led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Political agreements between Hamas and the more moderate Fatah are critical to progress on the larger Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

"If Egypt fails in brokering a reconciliation between the different factions, its regional significance will be dealt a new blow, its negotiating strength vis-a-vis Israel will wane, and, finally, other regional actors such as Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia will be invited to play a stronger role in dealing with the Palestinian question," said Ahmed Thabet, a political science professor at Cairo University.

Egypt, if not always successful, knows the terrain, both diplomatically and geographically. It is trusted by Israel, having signed a peace treaty with the Jewish state in 1979, and it is intertwined with the fate of the Palestinians by its northern border with Gaza. Both dynamics have put pressure on the government of President Hosni Mubarak, which is balancing the Gaza crisis amid growing economic problems and political unrest at home.

Egyptians did not want to go to war with Israel over Gaza, but many condemned Mubarak's decision to keep the border largely closed to Palestinians during Israel's incursion. Humanitarian aid couldn't enter the battered enclave and many of the wounded couldn't get out.

The president's aim was to weaken and discredit Hamas, which has ties to Egypt's opposition Muslim Brotherhood, to help prevent radical Islam from spreading. The nation's tourism industry lost billions of dollars in the 1990s because of bombings, assassination attempts and other violence attributed to Islamic militants.

Egypt finds itself, like much of the Arab world, torn over helping Palestinians while rejecting Hamas and its Iranian backers. The dilemma has highlighted the widening political divide in the region. At an emergency summit in Qatar in January, attended by non-Arab Iran and boycotted by Egypt and Saudi Arabia, Cairo was criticized for favoring relations with Israel and the U.S. over its Arab obligations to aid the Palestinians.

Gamal Mubarak, the president's son, said at a recent meeting of the ruling National Democratic Party that anti-Egypt "forces were primarily concerned to eliminate the role of Egypt in Arab and Middle East affairs."

He added that countries opposed to Cairo tried their "best to play with the emotions of the Arab street against Egypt, portraying Egypt as being against the [Palestinian] resistance."

The Muslim Brotherhood, which holds about 20% of Egypt's parliamentary seats, has attempted to benefit as well. Scores of its members were arrested nationwide during large rallies and demonstrations that supported Palestinians and chided Mubarak for not standing up to Israel. But as weeks went on, Hamas, which doesn't want to be portrayed as giving up its fight against Israel, and the Muslim Brotherhood faced limited options.

"Hamas officials in Gaza are realizing they have no other party to turn to except Egypt. No other Middle East country can play this role," said political analyst Sayed. "And although the Muslim Brotherhood has been trying to benefit, I doubt they can translate their popularity from the protests into political gain. Egypt remains a state reliant on its security forces."

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can't sit still wrote:Egypt has gotten themselves boxed in, in this one. They have foolishly let their population rise too high. After their latest war with israel, the US agreed to pay them off yearly not to fight with israel. If I recall correctly, we payed israel something like $ 8 B and egypt <7>. Egypt can't possibly feed their people without US money. Mubarak is screwed no matter what. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=30204
The egyptians seemed to be a pretty cool people,,,, as long as they weren't driving. I walked Cairo for a few days. The egyptian GOV can't afford to support the palestinians. Sad.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:52 pm

I'm not sure what paper you're referring to. I was in Cairo when Klinghoffer was thrown overboard from the Achille Lauro. It damn near brought down Mubarak and the Italian GOV. I went to the US embassies to get my news. The embassy in Amman had a jeep with a mounted .50 in front of the entrance. It got my attention.
I had been on the road for quite a while when I went to the embassy in Damascus. They had a POOL and books and a regular toilet!! I asked the bartender in the Marine bar for asylum. He said it was OK with him. :lol:
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:42 am

Hamas response to Gaza truce proposals expected by Saturday

By Amos Harel and Avi Issacharoff, Haaretz Correspondents
Last update - 10:36 05/02/2009

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061764.html

Hamas is expected to give Egypt its response to proposals for a truce with Israel in the Gaza Strip by Saturday, Egypt's state-run Middle
East News Agency (MENA) reported on Thursday.

Talks between Egyptian intelligence officials and a Hamas delegation ended on Wednesday without a deal. Hamas said Israeli proposals for an agreement, carried through Egypt, were vague.
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An unidentified Egyptian official told MENA the Hamas delegation "will come back to Cairo on Saturday to inform the Egyptian officials of the final response".

Meanwhile, a representative of the Hamas delegation, Salah al-Bardawil, told the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram on Thursday that Egypt and Hamas had reached a draft agreement for a cease-fire.

Bardwail said that the draft stipulates a year-and-a-half long truce between Hamas and Israel. It also includes the opening of all border crossings for 80 percent of goods, though would need to clarify exactly what type of goods it would allow in, Bardawil said.

Bardawil told Al-Ahram that according to the draft agreement, the Rafah crossing would be closed from time to time. He also said that Israel rejected a proposal to station international observers on the Rafah border.

Another member of the Hamas delegation, Mohamed Nasr, told the Arabic television station Al Jazeera that Israel had presented its own offer to Egypt, but that the issue of border openings remained unclear.

"We have received through the brothers in Egypt an Israeli offer. This offer has a lot of vagueness," said Nasr. "This offer does not talk about lifting the blockade." He said the Egyptians still needed time to relay Hamas's questions to Israel.

Hamas and Israel have been holding separate talks with Egyptian mediators on terms for a long-term truce after three weeks of Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip and Hamas rocket barrages on southern Israel.

Both sides declared separate cease-fires on January 18, but acts of violence have continued. H

amas wants Israel and Egypt to reopen all Gaza's border crossings so that people and goods can move freely. Gaza has been under blockade for most of the time since Hamas took power there in June 2007.

Senior Hamas official Moussa Abu Marzouk said on Wednesday the Israelis were offering to reopen the crossings at 70 percent capacity but said Hamas wanted a more precise definition of Israel's commitment.

Israel still sees number of unresolved issues for truce

Israeli security officials said Wednesday they believed Egypt and Hamas were making significant progress in drafting terms for a long-term lull in fighting in the Gaza Strip, but that a number of unresolved issues remain between the two sides.

Egypt had set Thursday as the target date for signing the agreement, but the differences in opinion mean it may take several more days or even longer before a deal is reached, with all clarifications set.

Israel is not participating in Hamas' talks with Egypt, but is expected to arrive at a verbal agreement with Egypt that would allow the lull to continue at a later date.

Egypt has been pushing for an agreement that includes a lull for a year and a half, while Israel prefers to see one lasting only a year, and in the framework of a non-binding agreement.

A key issue in the negotiations is the opening of Rafah crossing, which Hamas is seeking to have opened completely, with Turkish troops monitoring its operation, in accordance with a plan drafted by the United States three years ago.

Egypt is opposed to such a move, but is nevertheless seeking to place a force loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at the crossing, a proposal Hamas has thus far resisted.

Another outstanding issue is the Israeli request to create a half-kilometer buffer zone in the area known as the "security parameter" on the Palestinian side of the border fence with Israel. Israel is seeking to prevent the entry of armed militants to the area to combat the placement of explosive devices or the digging of tunnels there.

Another critical issue involves the link between the release of captive Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit with the lull and the opening of crossings.

Israel is demanding that even a partial opening of the crossings be dependent on progress towards Shalit's release, for example providing a clear sign the soldier is still alive. H

amas has until now opposed such a link. Egypt has expressed uncertainty in relation to its capacity to force Hamas into such an agreement, but promised Israel it would make efforts towards that end.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:44 am

How long do you think it will take before Israel messes this one up?

The elections is in a few days now.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:11 am

Israel fires on Gaza aid ship

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 11355.html

A Lebanese boat carrying more than 60 tonnes of aid for Gaza has been fired upon by Israeli troops off the coast of Gaza.

Al Jazeera's correspondent aboard the al-Ikhua (Brotherhood) ship reported that five Israeli troops then boarded the ship, beating and threatening the crew.

"They are pointing guns against us - they are kicking us and beating us. They are threatening our lives," Al Jazeera's Salam Khoder said.

Communication with the ship was then lost.

The Israeli military has refused to comment on the incident so far.

According to the owner of the boat, Israeli troops destroyed the communication equipment on the ship and confiscated the phones.

The ship left the Lebanese port city of Tripoli on Tuesday.
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Post by DVD Burner » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:50 am

Israel Settles with Family of Slain British Journalist

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/ ... 30021.html

An Israeli newspaper reports Israel has agreed to pay some $2 million to the family of a British journalist killed by Israeli soldiers in 2003.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported the settlement on Sunday, saying it followed lengthy legal discussions. The attorney for the victim confirmed that a settlement had been reached with the Israeli government, although he would only say the amount was more than $1.4 million.

Cameraman James Miller was shooting a documentary on Palestinian children in the Gazan border town of Rafah in 2003 when he was killed by Israeli gunfire despite carrying a white flag.

The soldier who fired the shot was cleared in a court-martial, but a British inquest concluded the event constituted murder.

The Miller family lawyer said Sunday that the family believes the settlement is the closest thing to an admission of guilt that they can get.

Some information for this report was provided by AP.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Feb 07, 2009 5:21 pm

In his book, L’antisémitisme son histoire et ses causes, published in 1894, noted Jewish author, Bernard Lazare, stated the following with regard to these expulsions of Jews,



“If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been on the contrary an object of hatred to all the peoples among whom it has established itself. It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, since they lived in countries very distant from each other; since they were ruled by very different laws, governed by opposite principles, since they had neither the same morals, nor the same customs, since they were animated by unlike dispositions which did not permit them to judge of anything in the some way, it must be therefore that the general cause of anti-Semitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel.â€
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Post by Bin Noddin » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:04 pm

As to Israel's barbaric conduct in Gaza - that is murder and should be treated as such. As for the rest of the shit you've posted here - why should we give a fuck what the goyim think of us? It ain't us, folks, it you.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Black folk have gone through more than the Jews.


That is really kinda weak.

And why is it so hard to just face the facts, those that are running Israel are racist.

Love how they choose to switch that shit around.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:41 pm

slight change of topic but related to the topic at hand, I was watching an old Southpark and was wondering, in relation to the Mormons, is the story of Smith telling people that they were the real American Indians that were actually Jews and the Red Indians were the fake ones that God turned red because they were evil or something like that, true?
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