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Post by can't sit still » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:13 pm

" why should we give a fuck what the goyim think of us? " Well for starters, israel can't survive economically without sucking in $ billions from other countries like the US. Should the goyim in the US finally open their eyes, they will toss out both AIPAC, MOSSAD and the JDL. Hopefully we will amend our laws so that NO dual-citizenship people can work in GOV. What a radical idea; America for Americans.
israelis consider the Americans to be stupid. Well, they're right on that account. The US continues to find israei spies in the US GOV. We still do nothing about it.
The stupid Americans did nothing about the attack by israel on the USS Liberty. Same with the attack by MOSSAD on the USS Cole. We did nothing about all the MOSSAD agents who showed up when the towers were being attacked. We only deported a few who were found partying with great jubilation when the planes hit.
Truth is, israel is an economic piece of shit. True for all theocracies. Iran is going down the tubes pretty fast. The Papal state, like israel depends on contributions from faithful followers. GOV is plenty fucked up as it is. Adding god to the equation makes it worse.
The world will be a better place when there aren't any theocracies.
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Post by DVD Burner » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:08 am

Well that sorta sums it all up.
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:12 am

Simon,,, now THAT is funny. What are the chances that we will ever see a flick with Robin Williams playing Bibi Netanyahu? :lol:
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:25 am

Now that the elections are over and we will find out the results tomorrow, wonder how soon the ethnic cleansing will continue to be completed?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:28 am

The Jewish candidate has the edge.

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:30 am

Israel is a democracy. If you are not Jewish you shall be exterminated.


There is no way now no one will be able to not say Israel is starting to look like the old South Africa.
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:29 pm

Violence, fraud mar Israel's elections


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Fraud and violence have marred Israel's vote with rival factions accusing each other of conspiring to hijack the results of the Elections.

Police arrested a woman in Jerusalem (al-Quds) after she entered a polling station with forged ballots allegedly belonging to Avigdor Lieberman's YIsrael Beiteinu faction.

The woman confessed that she was asked to distribute the ballots at the entrance to the polling station.

At another voting station in the city's David Yalin Street, a youth entered a polling station and turned over a table containing ballots.

He also stole all of the ballots marked with the Hebrew letter "Gimmel" representing the United Torah Judaism faction, Haaretz reported on Tuesday.

In another incident, supporters of Kadima and its ally Labor clashed with each other. Police arrested a Labor Party activist over the row.

The Election Committee says it has received 68 complains about irregularities.

The Meretz Party filed a complaint claiming that the name YIsrael Beiteinu Chairman Avigdor Lieberman was written on the back of its ballots in a polling station in Jerusalem in order to invalidate the ballots.

YIsrael Beiteinu, complained that many polling stations had run out of the party's ballots and the National Union party claimed that its ballots were removed from a polling station in Bnei Brak, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported on its website on Tuesday.

Kadima also reported attempts to tamper with the party's ballots in several cities including Ramat Gan, Ariel, Nes Ziona, Ofakim and Ashdod.

The centrist party also claimed that several Likud activists who were seeking to tamper with Kadima's ballots were arrested by police in four polling stations in Kiryat Bialik.

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 12:34 pm

Arabs fear rise of hard-right in Israel


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CAIRO: Arabs on Wednesday saw little hope for peace from whatever government emerges from Israel's inconclusive elections, and they expressed fears over the rising power of Israel's far right.

With the prospect of a hard-line Israeli government, some in the region said any progress in Arab-Israeli negotiations will now rely even more on pressure from President Barack Obama, who has said his administration will take an active role in pursuing a Mideast peace.

"Everybody knows that peace is in the hands of the Americans, and that the U.S. is capable of practicing pressures on any given government," said Saudi analyst Anwar Eshki, head of the Middle East Center for Strategic and Legal Studies in Jeddah.

"Obama promised to achieve peace and he is the one who chose Palestinian file to be at the top of his foreign policy agenda," he said.

Tuesday's election in Israel left the two top parties neck-and-neck — the Kadima party of Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, who favors pursuing peace talks, and the Likud of opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu, who has derided negotiations as a waste of time and rejects a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza.

But the voting in general boosted right-wing parties — particularly the ultranationalist, anti-Arab politician Avigdor Lieberman, who wants to redraw Israel's borders to push out heavily Arab areas and require Arabs who remain to sign a loyalty oath or lose the right to vote or run for office. The final word on who forms a government will likely be determined by Lieberman, after gains by his party, Yisrael Beiteinu, or Israel Our Home.

Newspapers across the Middle East decried Lieberman's rise, denouncing him as racist and a sign of growing extremism in Israel. "The Israelis are electing war and extremism," the Syrian government-run Al-Thawra newspaper said. "It's the same no matter from which trend the government comes. There is one trend in Israel; so long as the Israeli street is extremist and racist, the (Israeli) government would be like it."

In Iran, Foreign Ministry Spokesman Hassan Qashqavi called it "regretful" that all sides tried to appeal to the right wing in their election campaigns. "Each party tried to show a more brutal, aggressive and pro-occupation face toward Palestinians," Qashqavi said. He added that Tehran has no official stance on Israel's election since it does not recognize the country.

Arabs see somewhat better hopes for peace negotiations under the more centrist Livni. But several political analysts said any government she forms will likely rely on far-right parties or be too weak to make decisive moves in the peace process.

"The only difference between a right-wing and center-leaning government in Israel is that with Livni, it will be possible to market the illusion of the existence of a peace process for another year or two," said Oraib al-Rentawi, head of the Al Quds Center for Political Studies, a private think tank based in Jordan. "But with Netanyahu's government, the mission will be far more difficult."

In the peace process, Arabs have long been suspicious of Israel's centrist and leftist parties, pointing out that they have continued with expansion of Jewish settlements in the territories that the Palestinians seek for an independent state. Still, they see hope in the acceptance by those parties — including Livni's — of the idea of a Palestinian state.

Netanyahu's Likud, however, is opposed to any state, and during Netanyahu's three-year term as prime minister a decade ago, he largely froze the interim peace deals his predecessors negotiated with the Palestinians. Netanyahu says he wants to negotiate only better economic conditions for the Palestinians.

Still, Netanyahu did seal some deals with the Palestinians while prime minister, most notably the handover of most of the West Bank city of Hebron to Palestinian control.

A former Egyptian ambassador to Israel, Mohammed Bassiouni, said he expected Netanyahu would be named prime minister and that he was open to movement on peace — depending on who else makes up the government.

"If he forged coalition with extremists of right-wing parties, peace will return to square zero," Bassiouni told The Associated Press. "But if he formed a national unity government, where Kadima, Labor and even Israel Our Home are represented, there is actually a chance to move forward."
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:33 pm

Any opinions on Avigdor Lieberman?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:37 pm

You don't think Livniis a hottie?

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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:46 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:You don't think Livniis a hottie?
No doubt she is the type of fascist everyone would love to rape.

But what's your opinion of Avigdor Lieberman?
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:56 pm

I'd seriously love to hear your opinion of Avigdor Lieberman.

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Hamas murder campaign in Gaza exposed
Rory McCarthy, bethlehem guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 February 2009 18.19 GMT

Islamist regime has killed dozens and tortured others as 'collaborators' with Israel in war's aftermath, Amnesty and Guardian sources say New evidence has emerged revealing the extent of the crackdown by Hamas during and after Israel's war in Gaza last month.

Amnesty International said Hamas forces and militias were involved in a "campaign of abductions, deliberate and unlawful killings, torture and death threats against those they accuse of 'collaborating' with Israel, as well as opponents and critics". It said at least two dozen men had been shot by Hamas since the end of December and "scores of others" shot in the legs, kneecapped or beaten.Amnesty gave detailed accounts of some of the cases and said there was "incontrovertible evidence" that Hamas security forces and militia were "responsible for grave human rights abuses". Hamas officials have admitted hunting for suspected collaborators, but they have denied this campaign of attacks.

Hamas apparently fears it lost some of its control in Gaza during Israel's devastating three-week war and launched a new and violent crackdown to enforce its rule, targeting not only those suspected of giving information to the Israeli military but also escaped prisoners and all perceived internal opponents.

The new evidence corroborates witness accounts given to the Guardian, as well as an investigation by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, based in Gaza City, that found 32 people had been killed by the Palestinian security services and other gunmen in Gaza since the war began, and that dozens more were shot or beaten.

In an interview today, one Palestinian working for a civil society organisation described how he was forced to leave Gaza because of the growing intimidation and threats. Mowaffaq Alami, 36, worked for the One Voice organisation in Gaza promoting grassroots discussions about Israeli-Palestinian peace proposals.

After Hamas took full security control of Gaza in June 2007, its forces raided the group's office and seized computers and other equipment. One Voice later closed its office, but the staff went on working from home. Then Hamas ordered all civil society groups to obtain its permission to continue their work. One Voice refused and six months ago halted all its work in Gaza.

"People are afraid to live normal lives, to express their opinions freely," Alami said. "There is no freedom of speech, of movement, of travelling or having real healthcare. Hamas is raising George Bush's policy: those not with us are against us." One of his colleagues was forced to leave Gaza after receiving threats from Hamas.

The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights said Hamas had tightened its restrictions on civil society groups, ordering them to inform the Hamas authorities before receiving or distributing aid and obtain Hamas approval before starting new construction or development work.

Alami, who secured a rare permit to leave Gaza a week ago with his family to live in the West Bank, said there were frequently differences between orders given by local Hamas commanders on the ground and the more senior leadership within the movement. Other small extremist movements were also beginning to return to force again – one prominent cafe in Gaza City was bombed last week.

He said many Palestinians no longer felt affiliated to any political group, either Hamas or Fatah, its West Bank-based rival. "Politicians and the media think that there is a simple division between Gaza and the West Bank, between Hamas and Fatah ... The majority of the Palestinian people today are with none of them."

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:08 pm

DVD Burner wrote:slight change of topic but related to the topic at hand, I was watching an old Southpark and was wondering, in relation to the Mormons, is the story of Smith telling people that they were the real American Indians that were actually Jews and the Red Indians were the fake ones that God turned red because they were evil or something like that, true?
Not sure which people you are talking about And I have never seen southpark, but here is what the Mormons believe about that.

The Book of Mormon tells of Jews who left the middle east before the time of Christ and traveled by boat to the Americas. There were 3 separate groups according th the book. The book focuses on one family group who they believe settled in Central and South America about 600 BC. The Father (and prophet for the group) had 3 sons. The youngest son believed every word the father said. The older two did not believe everything the father said and were dissatified so there was soon a falling out and they took their families and left. These two groups grew into two nations with the first one continuing to be Jews and the second one worshipping a variety of Gods much like the Egyptians did. They have many wars between them and at some point early on the God of the Jews turns the skin of the second group red. About 500 AD the Jewish group (who are now Christians by this time) becomes so evil that their God allows the Red skinned people to wipe them out in a genocidal war. The war lasted for many years and none of the white skinned people survived.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:33 pm

Box Burner wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:slight change of topic but related to the topic at hand, I was watching an old Southpark and was wondering, in relation to the Mormons, is the story of Smith telling people that they were the real American Indians that were actually Jews and the Red Indians were the fake ones that God turned red because they were evil or something like that, true?
Not sure which people you are talking about And I have never seen southpark, but here is what the Mormons believe about that.

The Book of Mormon tells of Jews who left the middle east before the time of Christ and traveled by boat to the Americas. There were 3 separate groups according th the book. The book focuses on one family group who they believe settled in Central and South America about 600 BC. The Father (and prophet for the group) had 3 sons. The youngest son believed every word the father said. The older two did not believe everything the father said and were dissatified so there was soon a falling out and they took their families and left. These two groups grew into two nations with the first one continuing to be Jews and the second one worshipping a variety of Gods much like the Egyptians did. They have many wars between them and at some point early on the God of the Jews turns the skin of the second group red. About 500 AD the Jewish group (who are now Christians by this time) becomes so evil that their God allows the Red skinned people to wipe them out in a genocidal war. The war lasted for many years and none of the white skinned people survived.
Well SHIT! It is true then. The south park episode link I posted is true. Man, that's just as messed up as the Scientologists.
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Post by DVD Burner » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:37 pm

EvilSockPuppy, what more can be said.
You dont want to post facts so you resort to propaganda without links and use a sock to do it.
Just as blind as the Israelis that let the IDF and government think for them.

You actually think it's fun what you do?

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:31 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Box Burner wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:slight change of topic but related to the topic at hand, I was watching an old Southpark and was wondering, in relation to the Mormons, is the story of Smith telling people that they were the real American Indians that were actually Jews and the Red Indians were the fake ones that God turned red because they were evil or something like that, true?
Not sure which people you are talking about And I have never seen southpark, but here is what the Mormons believe about that.

The Book of Mormon tells of Jews who left the middle east before the time of Christ and traveled by boat to the Americas. There were 3 separate groups according th the book. The book focuses on one family group who they believe settled in Central and South America about 600 BC. The Father (and prophet for the group) had 3 sons. The youngest son believed every word the father said. The older two did not believe everything the father said and were dissatified so there was soon a falling out and they took their families and left. These two groups grew into two nations with the first one continuing to be Jews and the second one worshipping a variety of Gods much like the Egyptians did. They have many wars between them and at some point early on the God of the Jews turns the skin of the second group red. About 500 AD the Jewish group (who are now Christians by this time) becomes so evil that their God allows the Red skinned people to wipe them out in a genocidal war. The war lasted for many years and none of the white skinned people survived.
Well SHIT! It is true then. The south park episode link I posted is true. Man, that's just as messed up as the Scientologists.
I don't think that you can really compare the Mormons to the Scientologists. They are really just another Christian Church. Their belief in additional scriptures is not any wierder than that of the ones who throw out scripture that they feel is not "divinely inspired". I would place them closer in belief to the Catholics with a slightly heavier reliance on Judaism and a smattering of (non-Catholic) Christian ideas from other churches. :wink:
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Post by EvilSockPuppy » Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:32 pm

I don't know Box Burner.... DVD Burner did do his research.
1) He watched a satirical adult cartoon on the "mormons".
2) He then checked his facts by asking in internet forum unrelated to the LDS church, mormons or their beliefs. (& gave us a link to said research/cartoon)

From this scholarly research he was able to sum up his findings in 24 words that ridiculed not one but two different belief systems.

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:06 pm

EvilSockPuppy - Noooo... I think that you are not paying attention. Go back and read his post.

1 - He saw a fictional cartoon episode that told about Mormons.

2 - He wondered about some of the information presented in the cartoon and asked if anyone could verify the information.

3 - He then voiced his opinion by comparing the Mormons to another religious group. whether he intended to ridicule them or not is irevelent and the information in the post is not enought to determine that.

FYI - DVD Burner thinks all religions are a wast of time.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:36 pm

There is no doubt that Hamas has killed collaborators. Well, that's what war is all about,,, killing the enemy. The sad conclusion that i'm gradually coming to is that Hamas wants as much civilian death as possible. If things slow down, they shoot more rockets. While it may be Fatah or even MOSSAD that shoots the rockets, the end result is more civilian death.

I believe that the Palestinian leaders are trying to provoke worldwide outrage at the killing of so many non-combatants. If they can't win militarily, maybe they can win the PR battle. They need a lot of carnage for that. israel has said that they don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Netanyahu has said that he will stop all rocket attacks.
Bibi may be playing right into the Palestinian plan. There is going to be a lot more death before the world demands justice :cry:
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:27 am

Let me guess, the sock is a Mormon and is pissed off at me for bringing up how stupid it is to be Mormon, so this idiot decides to create a sock and attempt to bug me instead of dealing with the fact they are a sucker for being Mormon.

Noticing the date the sock was created and how many posts it has.

Socks are yester year.

RICH!


Oh and thanks Box for bringing up my point about religion in general.
Seems the sock is too dumb to realize my point.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:40 am

can't sit still wrote:There is no doubt that Hamas has killed collaborators. Well, that's what war is all about,,, killing the enemy. The sad conclusion that i'm gradually coming to is that Hamas wants as much civilian death as possible. If things slow down, they shoot more rockets. While it may be Fatah or even MOSSAD that shoots the rockets, the end result is more civilian death.

I believe that the Palestinian leaders are trying to provoke worldwide outrage at the killing of so many non-combatants. If they can't win militarily, maybe they can win the PR battle. They need a lot of carnage for that. israel has said that they don't care what the rest of the world thinks. Netanyahu has said that he will stop all rocket attacks.
Bibi may be playing right into the Palestinian plan. There is going to be a lot more death before the world demands justice :cry:
Well that's what America and Israel get for creating, training and financing Hamas.
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Post by EvilSockPuppy » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:19 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Let me guess, the sock is a Mormon and is pissed off at me for bringing up how stupid it is to be Mormon, so this idiot decides to create a sock and attempt to bug me instead of dealing with the fact they are a sucker for being Mormon.

Noticing the date the sock was created and how many posts it has.
Oh and thanks Box for bringing up my point about religion in general.
Seems the sock is too dumb to realize my point. ]
1) No, I am not a mormon.

2) No, I am not pissed off at you for bringing up how "stupid" it is to be mormon. Pissed at how bigoted* you are.

BIGOTED –adjective: to be utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

3) No, I did not create this "sock" to bug you instead of dealing with the fact(?) they (who me? see # 1) "are a sucker for being a mormon".

I joined this board 19 days before your first mormon post. So your point is?

I notice you do a lot of name calling... were you picked on a lot a a kid?

Bigots are pathetic, and always have been. :roll:
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:43 pm

EvilSockPuppy wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:Let me guess, the sock is a Mormon and is pissed off at me for bringing up how stupid it is to be Mormon, so this idiot decides to create a sock and attempt to bug me instead of dealing with the fact they are a sucker for being Mormon.

Noticing the date the sock was created and how many posts it has.
Oh and thanks Box for bringing up my point about religion in general.
Seems the sock is too dumb to realize my point. ]
1) No, I am not a mormon.

2) No, I am not pissed off at you for bringing up how "stupid" it is to be mormon. Pissed at how bigoted* you are.

BIGOTED –adjective: to be utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

3) No, I did not create this "sock" to bug you instead of dealing with the fact(?) they (who me? see # 1) "are a sucker for being a mormon".

I joined this board 19 days before your first mormon post. So your point is?

I notice you do a lot of name calling... were you picked on a lot a a kid?

Bigots are pathetic, and always have been. :roll:
And what's bigoted about my post?

And yepper, you're pissed.
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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:04 pm

The most hilarious part is this sock calls themselves an evil sock, post Hippocratic nonsense and calls me a bigot for posting fact and my opinion based on fact.

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Post by DVD Burner » Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:12 pm

Anyway, back to the topic at hand: Oh, and please let me know if this is not the fact or a bigoted post.



Israel seizes West Bank land


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Israel has taken control of a large area near a prominent settlement in the Palestinian West Bank, paving the way for a possible construction of 2,500 settlement homes, officials have said.

Oded Revivi, the mayor of Efrat, said on Monday that the Israeli military has designated 425 acres near the settlement of about 1,600 families south of Jerusalem, as so-called
state land two weeks ago.

Revivi said Efrat plans to build 2,500 homes on that land, but government approval would still be needed before construction begins, a process that could take years.

Eventually, Efrat is to grow to a city of 30,000 people, he said.

The settlement is situated in one of three settlement blocs Israel expects to hold on to in any final peace deal with the Palestinians.

Revivi said nine appeals, eight of which were rejected and one was upheld, had been filed by Palestinian landowners.

'Sticking point'

Al Jazeera's Nour Odeh, reporting from Ramallah, West Bank, said the "confiscation [of the land], which by international law is deemed illegal, has been greeted with condemnation among Palestinian circles".

"We've seen statements from these leaderships describing this measure as condemnable, calling on the international community to take a firm stance," she said.

"... This will undoubtedly be a major sticking point when the US peace envoy George Mitchell visits the region towards the end of the month.

"This is what [the] Palestinians will be concentrating on. Already we've heard from the Palestinian president's office that there will be no negotiations until all settlement activities in the occupied West Bank including east Jerusalem stops."

Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, has warned that continued settlement expansion would cripple peace talks.

His aides said recently that peace talks can only resume after a settlement freeze.

Expansion could also create friction with the US, as Mitchell, the US Middle East envoy, has long called on Israel to halt construction in settlements.

Nearly 290,000 Israelis currently live in West Bank settlements.
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Here is some more research I didn't do.


New U.S. Administration Disappoints Israel



By MEL FRYKBERG (Middle East Times)
Published: February 16, 2009


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JERUSALEM -- As predicted by seasoned analysts both in the U.S. and Israel, it appears the Barack Obama administration and Israel could be heading on a collision course in several areas as the new U.S. administration gets a little firmer with Israel.

Three particular issues are concerning Israel: The new administration's desire to hold talks with Iran when Israel would prefer military action, Washington's decision to attend a preparatory meeting for the forthcoming U.N. World Conference Against Racism, and a probable American crackdown on Israel's illegal settlement building and expansion in the Palestinian West Bank.

Following the news that U.S. President Barack Obama intends to pursue dialogue with Tehran and Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, Israeli officials are busy putting together a position paper for the new administration in Washington.

Last year the George W. Bush administration thwarted an Israeli attempt to take military action against Iran, according to a report in The New York Times.

The Israelis held simulated dummy runs for an attack on Iran by partaking in aerial maneuvers over eastern Greece in June last year.

Tel Aviv requested bunker-busting bombs from Washington to use against Iran's alleged underground nuclear reactor in Natanz.

Upgraded refueling jets, which would be necessary for a strike on Iran, were also requested as was a clear flight path over Iraq in order to strike Iran. Israel received 100 bunker-busting bombs but the flight path over Iraq was turned down.

The position paper being formulated by the Israelis lists the problems facing international efforts to curb Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions.

Israel doesn't want to see prolonged negotiations between the U.S. and Iran and has argued that Washington should only hold talks for a short period. And should negotiations fail, it has recommended harsh sanctions against Tehran as a precursor to military action.

But Iran is not the only problem the Israelis are facing. The U.S. administration has decided to attend preparatory talks for the forthcoming U.N. Conference Against Racism, Durban 2, to be held in Geneva in April – much to Israel's chagrin.

"This will be the first opportunity the Obama administration has had to engage in the negotiations for the Durban Review, and – in line with our commitment to diplomacy – the U.S. has decided to send a delegation to engage in the negotiations on the text of the conference document," the U.S. State Department said in a statement.

"The intent of our participation is to work to try to change the direction in which the review conference is heading," it said. "We hope to work with other countries that want the Conference to responsibly and productively address racism around the world."

The conference is named after the first conference which took place in Durban, South Africa, in 2001, amongst bitter acrimony between conference attendees and Israeli delegates.

Critics of Israel stated in Durban that Zionism was racism. Israel in turn accused its critics of being anti-Semitic.

Israel is again afraid that against the background of its recent three-week bloody assault on Gaza, which left over 1,300 Palestinians dead, nearly 5,000 wounded, most of them civilian, and much of the territory's infrastructure decimated, that it could again receive a lambasting.

Israeli Foreign Ministry officials had previously sought to block efforts by senior American administration officials to change Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's decision to boycott the conference.

One of these officials included Susan Rice, the new U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and Obama's former campaign adviser. Rice is also pushing for the U.S. to join the U.N. Human Rights Council, which is based in Geneva.

The body had been boycotted by the U.S., partly because of Washington's view that it is one-sided in its criticism of Israel.

Samantha Power, another Obama adviser at the National Security Council, is the other official pushing for American participation in Durban 2. Power participated in the initial Durban conference as the representative of a non-government organization and is known for her strong criticism of Israel.

In the past, she expressed support for cutting U.S. military assistance to Israel and transferring the funds as aid to build a Palestinian state. The U.S. will later make a decision on whether to attend the conference in Geneva.

In the interim, Israel's continued settlement building and expansion in the West Bank could come under fire when U.S. envoy George Mitchell and Hillary Clinton next visit Jerusalem.

It is expected that the new U.S. administration will pressure Israel heavily to freeze settlement construction and keep its promise to lift some of the more than 600 Israeli military roadblocks in the West Bank.

Mitchell will bring a team of experts with him who are au fait with the facts surrounding the settlements. They are also up to date on new developments and Israel's various excuses as to why it failed in the past to meet its obligations under the international peace Quartet's "road map."

Measures the Obama administration could possibly take include cutting the equivalent sum of the latest investments in settlements from the remaining budget for U.S. guaranteed loans. This is approximately $1.3 billion out of a total of $10 billion that the U.S. made available to Israel for it to absorb immigrants from the former Soviet Union.



Meanwhile the State Department is evaluating the implication of reports that MP Avigdor Lieberman, head of Yisrael Beiteinu – which came third in Israel's elections last week and is expected to heavily influence the composition of the next Israeli government – was a member of the extremist organization Kach.

Kach appears on the State Department list of terrorist organizations.
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Ok, since I dont have time to post the way I like, here is a quick summary of links of what is happening today with MOSSAD :

Israel launches covert war against Iran
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It is using hitmen, sabotage, front companies and double agents to disrupt the regime's illicit weapons project, the experts say.

The most dramatic element of the "decapitation" programme is the planned assassination of top figures involved in Iran's atomic operations.

Despite fears in Israel and the US that Iran is approaching the point of no return in its ability to build atom bomb, Israeli officials are aware of the change in mood in Washington since President Barack Obama took office.

They privately acknowledge the new US administration is unlikely to sanction an air attack on Iran's nuclear installations and Mr Obama's offer to extend a hand of peace to Tehran puts any direct military action beyond reach for now.

The aim is to slow down or interrupt Iran's research programme, without the gamble of a direct confrontation that could lead to a wider war.

A former CIA officer on Iran told The Daily Telegraph: "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the programme, done in such a way that they don't realise what's happening. You are never going to stop it.

"The goal is delay, delay, delay until you can come up with some other solution or approach. We certainly don't want the current Iranian government to have those weapons. It's a good policy, short of taking them out militarily, which probably carries unacceptable risks."

Reva Bhalla, a senior analyst with Stratfor, the US private intelligence company with strong government security connections, said the strategy was to take out key people.

"With co-operation from the United States, Israeli covert operations have focused both on eliminating key human assets involved in the nuclear programme and in sabotaging the Iranian nuclear supply chain," she said.

"As US-Israeli relations are bound to come under strain over the Obama administration's outreach to Iran, and as the political atmosphere grows in complexity, an intensification of Israeli covert activity against Iran is likely to result."

Mossad was rumoured to be behind the death of Ardeshire Hassanpour, a top nuclear scientist at Iran's Isfahan uranium plant, who died in mysterious circumstances from reported "gas poisoning" in 2007.

Other recent deaths of important figures in the procurement and enrichment process in Iran and Europe have been the result of Israeli "hits", intended to deprive Tehran of key technical skills at the head of the programme, according to Western intelligence analysts.

"Israel has shown no hesitation in assassinating weapons scientists for hostile regimes in the past," said a European intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. They did it with Iraq and they will do it with Iran when they can."

Mossad's covert operations cover a range of activities. The former CIA operative revealed how Israeli and US intelligence co-operated with European companies working in Iran to obtain photographs and other confidential material about Iranian nuclear and missile sites.

"It was a real company that operated from time to time in Iran and in the nature of their legitimate business came across information on various suspect Iranian facilities," he said.

Israel has also used front companies to infiltrate the Iranian purchasing network that the clerical regime uses to circumvent United Nations sanctions and obtain so-called "dual use" items – metals, valves, electronics, machinery – for its nuclear programme.

The businesses initially supply Iran with legitimate material, winning Tehran's trust, and then start to deliver faulty or defective items that "poison" the country's atomic activities.

"Without military strikes, there is still considerable scope for disrupting and damaging the Iranian programme and this has been done with some success," said Yossi Melman, a prominent Israeli journalist who covers security and intelligence issues for the Haaretz newspaper.

Mossad and Western intelligence operations have also infiltrated the Iranian nuclear programme and "bought" information from prominent atomic scientists. Israel has later selectively leaked some details to its allies, the media and United Nations atomic agency inspectors.

On one occasion, Iran itself is understood to have destroyed a nuclear facility near Tehran, bulldozing over the remains and replacing it with a football pitch, after its existence was revealed to UN inspectors. The regime feared that the discovery by inspectors of an undeclared nuclear facility would result in overwhelming pressure at the UN for tougher action against Iran.

The Iranian government has become so concerned about penetration of its programme that it has announced arrests of alleged spies in an attempt to discourage double agents. "Israel is part of a detailed and elaborate international effort to slow down the Iranian programme," said Mr Melman.

But Vince Canastraro, the former CIA counter-terrorism chief, expressed doubts about the efficacy of secret Israeli operations against Iran. "You cannot carry out foreign policy objectives via covert operations," he said. "You can't get rid of a couple of people and hope to affect Iran's nuclear capability."

Iran has consistently asserted that it is pursuing a nuclear capability for civilian energy generation purposes. But Israeli and Western intelligence agencies believe the 20-year-old programme, which was a secret until 2002, is designed to give the ruling mullahs an atom bomb.

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