Narcotraffickers rule Juarez: oust COP

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:26 pm

JUAREZ, Mexico (CNN) -- The mayor of Juarez announced Friday that the city's police chief is stepping down after receiving death threats from local drug cartels.

Police Chief Robert Orduna's resignation also came in response to the deaths of other police, Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz told reporters.

"The police chief has resigned, saying he did not want to be responsible for any more police dying," Reyes said.

But observers should not interpret the resignation as a capitulation to narcotraffickers, he said.

"We have not blinked," Reyes said. "We will continue to fight organized crime... he has done a good job, but we will find someone else."

The change in command in Juarez's police force comes in the wake of a campaign of intimidation by a drug cartel that has the border city in its grip.

Federal police and local police have locked down much of Juarez, which lies across the border from El Paso, Texas. It serves as a major transit point for the smuggling of cocaine, marijuana and methamphetamine into the United States.

Orduna tendered his resignation in a bid to protect the men who serve him, Reyes told reporters.

"They started killing police officers when they were going home or getting into police cars," he said.

Drug-related violence in Mexico has continued unabated since December 2006, when President Felipe Calderon took power and launched an offensive against the cartels.

Last year, drug violence was blamed for the deaths of 78 Mexican soldiers and more than 6,000 civilians.

oneeyeddick · Post by **oneeyeddick** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:13 pm

Is this gonna affect your connects, Oldguy ?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:45 pm

So what comment do you have to go along with this post, Oldguy?

What should be done?

And 1 I Dick, when are you going to run out of cum?

AIIZ

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:10 pm

They tell the cops plomo o plata ,,, lead or silver. Mexico is just too poor to protect the cops from a well-financed drug cartel. Each individual cop is approached and threatened. What can he do?
Peru was overrun by a terrorist group,, Sendero Luminoso. The country was paralyzed. They elected Fujimoro. He appointed Montesinos. Together, they suspended the constitution and killed everyone they suspected. Yep,,, it was cold-blooded. Yep, it worked.

Thanks to American dollars, the Mexican cartels are much better funded than Sendero Luminoso. The army has been used but, it hasn't been as effective as hoped. The constitution forbids the death penalty. The cons just continue their enterprise safe in jail where the competition can't get at them as easily.

Mexico is in the process of losing 50 % of it's income. As it gets poorer, the problems will get worse. There is no hope of getting rid of the cartels unless they adopt the Peruvian solution,,,, or Americans stop financing the cartels.

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:30 pm

No, I do not use drugs. I have no contacts, nor do I wish the traffic across the border to continue. Times must really be bad in Mexico.

I was thinking that this story would be interesting to Texas people who live in El Paso. I was wondering if the El paso Chief of Police was considering quiting. I don't think so.

I wonder if the Federalis are connected, and if the Mayor is on the drug payroll. Corruption in politics south of the border is well known. (Columbia, Nicarague, Brazil, Peru, Ecuador and now Mexico.)

Perhaps it is a cultural thing with Mexican officials/ politicians/ police to give in to force. I thought the Mexicans were a brave people, but I'm reconsidering this in the light of these individuals reaction to the terrorist threat. I guess its gangland war writ large. (Ignore them and maybe they will kill each other off.)

It also reminds me also of the Taliban's tactics in dealing with the Afganis, the source of opium farmer's power in politics .( Give us money and your girls, and we won't kill you.)

It also reminds me of Pakistan's acceptance of Sharia Law in the Swat region, how they are giving in to the physical violence of the Taliban. Along with the Afganis, the Pakistanis are also becoming a narcotrafficing state.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:25 am

What if Mexico legalized? Would the mob be pissed because their margin dried up? Would drug tourism boost Mexico's economy? Would Mexicans stop hopping the fence?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:43 am

someday people will get what Catherine Austin Fitts has been saying all along, that the drug trade keeps the Banks going....though it ain't helping them that much now.....

http://solari.com

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:45 am

oh, btw, don't buy cocaine or Mexican weed. There's all this death vibe on it. Is that what ya want in your lungs, blood and soul?

Post by **mdmf007** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:46 am

cowboyangel wrote:oh, btw, don't buy cocaine or Mexican weed. There's all this death vibe on it. Is that what ya want in your lungs, blood and soul?

Yeah, why not - I prefer sweat in all my clothes and wal mart goods so a little blood oughta help that blunt burn evenly.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:48 am

mdmf007 wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:oh, btw, don't buy cocaine or Mexican weed. There's all this death vibe on it. Is that what ya want in your lungs, blood and soul?
Yeah, why not - I prefer sweat in all my clothes and wal mart goods so a little blood oughta help that blunt burn evenly.

stop pickin yer nose....

Sail Man · Post by **Sail Man** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:59 am

mmm pakalolo

lonestoner916 · Post by **lonestoner916** » Sat Feb 21, 2009 3:17 pm

I'm going to go out on limb here and say that Legalization would go a long way towards stopping all the unnecesary killing.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:34 pm

I have mixed feelings about legalization, especially of harder drugs, but moving away from "the War on Drugs" and towards a treatment model would do a lot to improve things down there.

No, I didn't mean "down there" as some sort of pubic euphamism.

ALICEtheGOON · Post by **ALICEtheGOON** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:56 pm

I miss going to MEXICO

San Felipe , la mison , la bufadora . My family made Bi-yearly camping trips . I miss going out with the local fishermen on their rickity wooden boats to get the yellowtail and yellowfin. I miss the drunken bottle rocket wars , I miss the beauty and freedom.

Even with the drug cartels running around I wasnt afraid to go until banditos started robbing tourists on the road to San felipe. The popular surf spots were getting hit as well, with american touristas being raped and robbed.

Ah well ....

I need to plan a trip!!!

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:06 pm

And it sounds like it's gonna get worse before it gets better. Does "wacky dictator brings order" sound familier?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:41 pm

I spent 10 years driving around Mexico,,, about 5 months a year. It's really sad. Unfortunately, Mexicans have learned from Colombia. 50 % of kidnappings worldwide occurred in Colombia. It's a thriving cottage industry. Now it's a big hit in Mexico. My friends can't even go at Christmas to visit their families.
Mexico has let the population increase wildly while their petroleum supply dwindles. With tourism and remittance falling off, there is no solution. The campesinos and indians will survive with their milpas and the cities will die.
I hear in E-mails but, not the press that food riots have begun. The cartels, like any parasite, are willing to kill their host. Tan triste !

Yeah, weed should be legalized. Sure, it kills you incentive. That's not as bad as the effects of booze. Life is excruciatingly boring to many people. If they're going to escape, better they escape without ruining their liver, crashing their car and beating up the old lady.
Prohibition in the 30s was a failure. The war on drugs is equally destructive. Stop the shit !!!
Ban crack and heroin though. Teenagers are just too stupid to make a decision on those.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:37 pm

..and this why it is a great new thing to have concealed carry in Texas border National Parks like Big Bend. That's where lots of drug drops and "burrito" hike ins are made.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:41 pm

I just think it's a bummer that it's so expensive and difficult, here in CA anyway, to get a CCW. It seems, with no record, you'd automatically be allowed, and, they'd have to stop you......as opposed to "allow" you.......

dang....

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:54 pm

can't sit still wrote:Ban crack and heroin though. Teenagers are just too stupid to make a decision on those.

You're probably right on the crack--but then again, teens will get it illegally, just like cigarettes, so make it all legal--and if they are too stupid and their parents can't do their jobs--oh well...

Regarding heroin, aside from the addictive quality, it has little ill effect to the body, and if it were legal and users could easily feed their addiction, there would be little if any medical problems caused by it's use. (Assuming they practiced good hygiene.)

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:00 pm

yeah, as long as public funding isn't used to re-hab people that can't handle drugs,,,,,,,,and, there could be a "stupid/waste of good air clause" allowing for drowning them......it'd work........

that whole personal responsibility thing always gets in the way.........

Legalize, but, zero tolerance for screwing up........

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:07 pm

Most of the plans for legalization I have heard include taxing the sale (big surprise there) with a portion of the money being earmarked for education, treatment and rehabilitation; combined with extremely harsh sentences for selling to minors.

JK

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:09 am

Maybe if the kids were perpetually stoned, they would be too lazy to look for crack.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:29 pm

That's got to be a fig leaf of some sort.
Why would you tax something, then use that tax to discourage its use?
Somebody is smoking reefer.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:45 pm

As the world economies are hiccupping, perspectives are changing...maybe, someday we will steal the profits away from the thieves.
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/200 ... ntrodu.php

Oldguy · Post by **Oldguy** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:16 am

U.S. sweep said to cripple Mexico drug cartel
Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:01am GMT
By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. authorities capped a nearly two-year campaign against one of Mexico's most violent drug cartels with 52 arrests on Wednesday, and said they had crippled its U.S. distribution network.

The arrests in California, Maryland and Minnesota brought to 755 the total charged in the United States under "Operation XCellerator" that began in May 2007 and was aimed at Mexico's Sinaloa Cartel, authorities said.

The cartel is a leading combatant in the violent battles in Mexico for control of Mexican trafficking operations.

The turf wars killed more than 6,000 people there last year and sparked fears of spillover violence in the United States, despite Mexican President Felipe Calderon sending thousands of troops to crush the gangs. Washington has also pledged $1.6 billion in military equipment and training assistance to Mexico over three years.

"They are a national-security threat," Attorney General Eric Holder said of the cartels. "They are lucrative. They are violent. And they are operated with stunning planning and precision."

The operation was the third major strike against Mexican cartels and the second against the Sinaloa group, officials said. "These cartels will be destroyed," Holder told a news conference.

The operation targeted some 70 U.S. distribution hubs and cells in 26 U.S. states, in cities ranging from Los Angeles to tiny Stow, Ohio, Michele Leonhart, acting administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration, told reporters. It began with the discovery of a cell in California's Imperial Valley, authorities said.

More than 12,000 kilograms (26,460 pounds) of cocaine were seized in total, along with 16,000 pounds of marijuana, 1,200 pounds of methamphetamine and 1.3 million Ecstasy pills.

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Looks like the DEA is working on this side of the border...

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:53 am

Another front to fight on. Great.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:54 pm

I really doubt that they've crippled anything.
"Federal investigators arrive in Tijuana from Mexico City and administer lie-detector, urinalysis and personal wealth tests to the entire police force. Ninety per cent of the officers fail outright, and only four per cent are â€˜recommendedâ€™ for duty. "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... emacy.html

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:12 pm

We tend to think that Mexico is run by a corrupt criminal oligarchy, bent on using violent means to achieve power, ruling class and drug oligarchs included.

The US is run by a corrupt criminal oligarchy, bent on using violent means, financial terror and inbred corruption to achieve power over democratic institutions.

Difference?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:18 pm

Hey,,,, lets form a union!!. The difference is that Mexico doesn't have the CIA to protect opium growers. Mexico has a different system,,,, Napoleonic. " Guilt, which is presumed, and innocence which must be proven (the Napoleonic Code) is decided by a single judge - there is no jury of one's peers. "
http://www.counterpunch.org/ross05152008.html
Guilt is presumed. Most americans are not aware of this tiny difference. I worked there for 10 years and was careful. Mexico does not have the death penalty. They do have execution squads though.
It's damn near impossible to have a decent police force in a dirt-poor country.