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Post by Elderberry » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:28 am

ygmir wrote:
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All they are asking for is that the Federal Gov respect california Prop 215 and tell the DEA to not do anything to harm Medicinal Marijuana Dispensaries or the people who have a legal right to use it.

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IMHO, if the 10th amendment were respected, it'd be a non issue.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I wonder exactly what the legal argument is for drug laws then?

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Post by ygmir » Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:39 am

that's my question, too.
how can the fed dictate what drugs are legal in the states?

I bet it centers around withholding federal funding, and, the unwillingness of the states to stand up to them and kick them out....the state can bar federal law enforcement, IIRC.
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Post by wedeliver » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:06 pm

It looks like the White House heard us. Here is the response,

2-5-09

White House Responds to DEA Raids, Vows to End Policy

Washington, DC -- White House Spokesman Nick Shapiro reacted to new Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) raids at medical cannabis collectives in California, saying he expects President Obama to end that policy when a new DEA Administrator is seated. “The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws, and as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," Shapiro said.

The statement puts the Department of Justice and the DEA on notice of a change in federal policy, and indicates that continued raids may not be tolerated. "Americans for Safe Access acknowledges President Obama's continued pledge to end federal interference with state medical marijuana laws," commented Caren Woodson, Director of Government Affairs. “We look forward to working with the President and his Administration to enact long-term policies that support safe and legal access to cannabis for therapeutic use and research." Americans for Safe Access (ASA), the nation’s largest medical cannabis advocacy organization, sent policy recommendations aimed at harmonizing federal and state law and encouraging research to President Obama and Congress earlier this year.

Shapiro’s statement followed a groundswell of public opposition and critical media following a DEA raid in South Lake Tahoe on January 22 and four simultaneous raids in the Los Angeles area on Tuesday. ASA members and other medical cannabis advocates responded with thousands of phone calls to the White House and an Internet campaign on the President’s web site, Change.gov, asking the President to fulfill his repeated campaign pledges to not use federal resources to interfere with state medical marijuana laws.

Medical cannabis raids intensified under former President George W. Bush, with more than one hundred paramilitary style raids, new indictments, and letters threatening property owners who rent to medical cannabis facilities with prosecution and civil asset forfeiture. "More than 72 million people live in a state that has enacted laws that authorize the limited use and distribution of cannabis for therapeutic use," Woodson said. "The White House's comments have provided patients and their loved ones a sense of relief, and we hope the President and our Attorney General will keep this pledge in mind when considering appointments to the DEA and Office of National Drug Control Policy."

For interviews with medical cannabis patients impacted by federal raids, defendants facing prosecution or sentencing, doctors, and researchers, contact Media Specialist Kris Hermes at (510) 681-6361 or Director of Government Affairs Caren Woodson at (202) 857-5350.

Comments by Obama on ending medical marijuana raids: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /803230336

ASA medical marijuana recommendations for President Obama: http://AmericansForSafeAccess.org/Presi ... mendations
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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:13 pm

Well that's good to hear.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:46 pm

nice......and, I don't smoke pot.......but, the freedom issue......

I've seen the prez do a few good things so far.........deeping it balanced, I guess

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:54 pm

wedeliver wrote: I also have been told that today you can find at your local dispensary things like "lollipops" which I am told taste great and leave you feeling very mellow. So, whats a matter with that?
I'll tell you what the matter is!

If these political activists do "lollipops", get mellow, then they will forget or not give a damn about the anti-conservative agenda!

And the republican conservative neocons win!

They WIN!

now if we can only get the conservatives to believe that?

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Post by wedeliver » Sat Feb 07, 2009 8:33 pm

"It is no longer federal policy to beat up on hippies,"


The White House won't say it explicitly. Neither will the Drug Enforcement Administration. Yet there is a whiff in the air that U.S. policy is about to change when it comes to medical marijuana.

The message is clear, said UCLA professor Mark Kleiman, a former Justice Department official and an expert on crime and drug policy.

"It is no longer federal policy to beat up on hippies," said Kleiman.

Tell that to the DEA.

In California this past week, agents raided four dispensaries in Los Angeles and seized 500 pounds (225 kilograms) of pot.

"It's a little bit surprising, because I think current DEA management didn't get the message," said Kleiman. "The message is, this is no longer drug warrior time. We are not on a cultural crusade against pot-smoking."

California law permits the sale of marijuana for medical purposes, though it is still against federal law.

Thirteen states have laws permitting medicinal use of marijuana. California is unique among them for the presence of dispensaries, businesses that sell marijuana and even advertise their services. Legal under California law, such dispensaries are still illegal under federal law.

"Anyone possessing, distributing or cultivating marijuana for any reason is in violation of federal law," Sarah Pullen, a DEA spokeswoman in Los Angeles, said Thursday.

That may be the law, but it contradicts the medical marijuana position of the new president.

"The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws, and as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind," said White House spokesman Nick Shapiro, repeating past statements.

So on Friday, DEA officials in Washington declined to comment at all on the subject.

As a presidential candidate, Obama repeatedly promised a change in federal drug policy in situations where state laws allow use of medical marijuana.

"I think the basic concept of using medical marijuana for the same purposes and with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors, I think that's entirely appropriate," Obama told the Mail Tribune of Medford, Oregon, in March.

A year earlier at a campaign stop in New Hampshire, Obama said: "I would not have the Justice Department prosecuting and raiding medical marijuana users."

At age 47, Obama is part of a generation that had plenty of exposure to pot.

In his memoir, "Dreams from My Father," he described time spent as a youth struggling with questions about his race and identity, and turning to drugs -- including marijuana and cocaine -- to "push questions of who I was out of my mind."

The new president is unlikely to make any official change in policy before he has a new DEA chief and drug czar in place.

Yet experts believe it is already clear the Obama administration will change the strategy, if not the law, on medical marijuana.

Philip Heymann, a former deputy attorney general in the Clinton administration who is now a Harvard professor, said it's time for the agency to put more effort into fighting drugs more dangerous than marijuana.

"I do expect him to appoint an administrator who takes marijuana less seriously than is traditional for the DEA, as I think most Americans do," said Heymann.

Heymann said he expects the Obama administration will eventually instruct the DEA to emphatically scale back raids on dispensaries, and conduct such raids only in instances where investigators believe a business is abusing the dispensary system as a cover for other criminal behavior.

So last week's raids in California may be the last of their kind.

"The DEA's not likely to want to confront a new president," said Heymann. "It may simply be that they're behaving as they have traditionally, and they haven't anticipated the change Obama and his spokesman are signaling."
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:46 pm

ygmir wrote:nice......and, I don't smoke pot.......but, the freedom issue......

I've seen the prez do a few good things so far.........deeping it balanced, I guess

t
Really? Do you eat it in brownies? I just can't imagine you not doing any drugs at all.

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Post by ygmir » Sat Feb 07, 2009 9:50 pm

I had a cookie last year.
ate the whole thing, right after, my friends kid, who baked them, came into camp and told his dad: "Hey dad (who is an avid smoker), don't eat a whole cookie by yourself, even you'll get way to stoned...."

he looked at me and shrugged.........

I didn't know much of where I was for about a day and a half.......

nope, not much into drugs. No problem with others doing it, just, I'm a wimp.
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:18 pm

ygmir wrote:I had a cookie last year.
ate the whole thing, right after, my friends kid, who baked them, came into camp and told his dad: "Hey dad (who is an avid smoker), don't eat a whole cookie by yourself, even you'll get way to stoned...."

he looked at me and shrugged.........

I didn't know much of where I was for about a day and a half.......

nope, not much into drugs. No problem with others doing it, just, I'm a wimp.
I've got it down to a science. I like the ritual (much as I know I'll like the ritual of Absinthe). I also test just about anything I injest. And as I'm getting older, I don't tolerate some drugs as well as I did in days gone by. Just about my only rule, other than testing, is never do drugs as the main activity. I only do drugs these days to augment whatever else it is that I might be doing.

That being said, these days, my drug use is pretty much limited to BM and the holidays.

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Post by ygmir » Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:22 pm

yeah, I'm looking forward to meeting absinthe folks and sharing and tasting on playa......yeehaw.......

at some point later, I may post a thread to see if we can make a map or something........scavenger hunt, as such..........
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:39 pm

Drug law are just another form corruption and social discrimination:

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"Ecstasy’s emergence as the drug of Brazil’s wealthy has opened the door even wider for corrupt police officers to seize upon users and their families. Now that Brazil has eliminated prison sentences for drug users, sending them to treatment or community service instead, the police are extracting sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes in exchange for not charging those caught with Ecstasy as drug dealers, according to defense lawyers and three convicted drug dealers now out of prison."

we can thank the United State's DEA for this:
In the United States, MDMA was legal and unregulated until May 31, 1985, at which time it was emergency scheduled to DEA Schedule I, for drugs deemed to have no medical uses and a high potential for abuse. During DEA hearings to schedule MDMA, most experts recommended DEA Schedule III prescription status for the drug, due to beneficial usage of MDMA in psychotherapy. The judge overseeing the hearings, Francis Young, also recommended that MDMA be placed in Schedule III. Nonetheless, the DEA chose to ignore the ruling of its own Administrative Law Judge and unilaterally classified MDMA as Schedule I.[43] In 2001, responding to a mandate from the U.S. Congress, the U.S. Sentencing Commission, resulted in an increase in the penalties for MDMA by nearly 3,000%,[44] despite scientific protest calling for a decrease in the penalties for MDMA possession and distribution.[45] The increase makes 1 gram of MDMA (four pills at 250 mg per pill's total weight regardless of purity, standard for Federal charges) equivalent to 1 gram of heroin (approximately fifty doses) or 2.2 pounds (1 kg) of marijuana for sentencing purposes at the federal level.

Four Pills and its a felony!

What the fuck?

Drug laws like this are a waste of my tax dollars and our courts. Not to mentions the cost of financing the world order of the DEA

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:01 pm

Seems to be some anti pots laws activists working in places you never thought- in the courts.

Many judges are just letting pot users go, dropping charges before court even opens. theyre pissed off that these cases are taking away court time from REAL issues and problems.

A judge in my area gave some pot heads a penalty of writing an essay on the problems associated with pot use. That's it!

Some judges are telling local police department NOT to spend time on pot laws.

Something tells me we could see it legalized within a few years on a national level!

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http://www.salem-news.com/articles/febr ... -25-09.php

(WASHINGTON D.C.) - Speaking at a press conference on Feb. 25 with DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters that ending federal medical marijuana raids "is now American policy."

Don Duncan, California Director of Americans for Safe Access, says the Attorney General’s comments are the latest sign of a sea change in federal policy prompted by a groundswell of grassroots pressure by Americans for Safe Access (ASA) and our allies.

"They came as a response to Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) raids carried out by Bush Administration holdovers in California in January and February," Duncan said.

President Obama indicated he would end the DEA raids during his presidential campaign, a position reiterated by the White House following DEA raids in raids which took placeon February 4.

In response to a question last night about DEA raids at medical marijuana facilities in California, Holder said, "What the President said during the campaign...is consistent with what we will be doing here in law enforcement. He was my boss in the campaign....He is my boss now. What he said in the campaign is now American policy."
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Post by mojo » Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:40 pm

I have a copy of a letter sent by Lois Capps, Dem Congresswoman from my district to the new Attorney General. It was eloquent and insightful, calling for a stop to the threats of the DEA to confiscate the real property of landlords who rent space to medical marijuana dispensaries.

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:17 pm

mojo wrote:I have a copy of a letter sent by Lois Capps, Dem Congresswoman from my district to the new Attorney General. It was eloquent and insightful, calling for a stop to the threats of the DEA to confiscate the real property of landlords who rent space to medical marijuana dispensaries.
Let us know what the Attorney General replies back to her.

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Post by mojo » Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:51 pm

jkisha wrote:
mojo wrote:I have a copy of a letter sent by Lois Capps, Dem Congresswoman from my district to the new Attorney General. It was eloquent and insightful, calling for a stop to the threats of the DEA to confiscate the real property of landlords who rent space to medical marijuana dispensaries.
Let us know what the Attorney General replies back to her.

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Will do. Some of the best news was in the Attorney General's news conference yesterday, where he said that ending federal raids "is now American policy".

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:02 pm

mojo wrote:
jkisha wrote:
mojo wrote:I have a copy of a letter sent by Lois Capps, Dem Congresswoman from my district to the new Attorney General. It was eloquent and insightful, calling for a stop to the threats of the DEA to confiscate the real property of landlords who rent space to medical marijuana dispensaries.
Let us know what the Attorney General replies back to her.

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Will do. Some of the best news was in the Attorney General's news conference yesterday, where he said that ending federal raids "is now American policy".
Yes, I think that is in a post above yours. I missed it before I posted addressing your post; basically he's replied back to her publicly by just reiterating the policy.

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Post by wedeliver » Fri Feb 27, 2009 9:25 am

I think this calls for a celebration! Humm, now what might we do to celebrate news like this?

perhaps we should smoke two joints, two medicinal joints

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Post by chiefdanfox » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:33 pm

The best part about growing pot is all that fertilizer run-off, stream diversion, erosion and garbage left in national forests!

LNT, as in leave no trace of pristine wilderness! It isn't all the War on Drugs, it also has something to do with demand, and a lack of concern by consumers.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:19 pm

Is it all grown in national forests? Lots of pot is grown indorrs, I understand.

And this is NOT about legalization, it's about providing medicine to oh allright its about getting high, who are we fooling?

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Post by ygmir » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:30 pm

chiefdanfox wrote:The best part about growing pot is all that fertilizer run-off, stream diversion, erosion and garbage left in national forests!

LNT, as in leave no trace of pristine wilderness! It isn't all the War on Drugs, it also has something to do with demand, and a lack of concern by consumers.
Those are good points, CDF.
a lot of the "farms" in our area end up totally trashed by the (mostly illegals)
'gardeners', who, are left there, not even knowing where they are, not speaking the language, and, being told to guard and take care of it, "or else"............
they leave so much garbage, waste, overusing fertilizers and chemicals, destruction.....dang them............poaching game for food.
I'm sort of surprised, by the reaction, or, lack thereof, from a lot of the "hemp" society towards this problem.
A lot of folks demonstrate against corporations who pollute, clearcut, whatever.......and, these 'growers' are doing the same thing. Scale may be different, but, not the actions...........

But, no one says anything or goes out and demonstrates, or whatever.
I'd say, because, since they're growing pot, they overlook these actions, because, they like what is produced...........and, fear getting killed if entering the area.....
Seems somewhat hypocritical.........

UD:
a lot is grown indoors, but, I'd bet the vast majority is on public lands.......
And, I agree with you, it's about getting high, for a lot of folks.......

Understand, I'm totally for legalization, as I've stated elsewhere.
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Post by ygmir » Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:34 pm

I will also note that, I heard the feds are now backing off on raids on dispensaries.
it seems they are allowing the state laws to rule, and, states to choose.

being a 10th amendment proponent, I stand and applaud.........

not because it's pot, but, because they allow a state it's constitutional powers and rights to autonomy.

if true, I'll give the messiah a gold star in the plus column............
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Post by Elderberry » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:44 pm

ygmir wrote:I will also note that, I heard the feds are now backing off on raids on dispensaries.
it seems they are allowing the state laws to rule, and, states to choose.

being a 10th amendment proponent, I stand and applaud.........

not because it's pot, but, because they allow a state it's constitutional powers and rights to autonomy.

if true, I'll give the messiah a gold star in the plus column............
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:39 am

ygmir wrote: UD:
a lot is grown indoors, but, I'd bet the vast majority is on public lands.......
And, I agree with you, it's about getting high, for a lot of folks.......

Understand, I'm totally for legalization, as I've stated elsewhere.
The ones growing on public lands are commercial concerns, more interested in turning a profit than medical MJ or even legalization. Most of the time they are Mexican mafia. They are not friends of the average stoner, IMHO.

The vast majority of medical MJ is grown responsibly and this should be the model for rec MJ as well.

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Post by wedeliver » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:02 pm

Now that we have been told that the DEA will not raid Medicinal Pharmacies, we are hoping for a statement allowing the use of this medicine in federal parks and on federal land.
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By Alice Carver
14:00, March 1st 2009


Recently, U.S Attorney General Eric Holder said his Justice Department would leave it to states to decide their own medical marijuana policy. He also said that raids by the Drug Enforcement Administration on medical marijuana dispensaries have ended.

President Barack Obama also expressed his support on this decision and said that he agreed that states should decide their own medical marijuana rules. The ban on DEA raids of legal medical marijuana dispensaries is now the government's policy as promised by President Barack Obama during his election campaign in November 2007, according to the attorney general.

Despite the fact that in 1996, medical marijuana was recognized by the State of California as a legal form of medicine for a variety of illnesses ranging from anxiety to cancer, chronic pain and HIV, those who were in the position to purchase or prescribe medical marijuana were the target of dozens of DEA raids, especially during the Bush administration.
It is estimated that about 300,000 Americans use medical marijuana.

Supporters of programs to provide legal marijuana to patients with painful medical conditions are celebrating the decision to end federal raids to medical marijuana distributors; they hope it would also offer workplace protection to medical marijuana users.

“What the president said during the campaign, you'll be surprised to know, will be consistent with what we'll be doing here in law enforcement … What he said during the campaign is now American policy,â€
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