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Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:37 pm

wedeliver wrote:
ygmir wrote: I bet the court arguments were fascinating..........
It's actually quite a referendum, if I use the term correctly, on the system here in CA for constitutional changes..........
Does the majority rule? Who has the ultimate power, the people, or, the court, or the capital gangsters.........

And, if a change is made due to undue, outside influence, is it not possible, for the opposition, to bring up an opposite, or negating, change in the following election? And, if they are truly in the majority, and, can muster their voters, change it back?

....
"Who has the ultimate power"?? How about fairness, equality, logic, and inclusion.

If there had been a vote on Slavery, the "people" would have voted for it. Lincoln understood, that slavery was wrong on many levels. Denial of equality is WRONG also.
And yet when he was sworn in in 1861, he was not anti-slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was a political tool in the war. I think Lincoln came to be anti-slavery the hard way, the way that some of the people who voted against gay marraige in 77 and for it in 08 came to it. By seeing enough to realize the truth of suffering and injustice the status quo brought and that it should be changed. In the end, that, for me, is what make Lincoln our greatest president. He was able to learn in office, and to learn in a moral sense. I don't know of any current politicos in our current crop who have done that. I do hope that our current great crises is an opportunity for someone in a leadership position to do that now.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:56 pm

jkisha wrote:Say what you will, all ye with little faith. It took 8 years to get us here, we ain't getting out of it in 8 weeks. I'll be here silently gloating when the Obama plan turns the economy around.

Don't forget it was the republican thinking and philosophies that got us here, they have admittedly failed, so by definition, their arguments against Obama's plan are specious and have absolutely no credibility nor validity, yet they still persist.

Now be quiet and keep those opinions to yourself and let the man do his job.

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I think you will be loudly weeping when it dawns on you and the American public just what the bail outs really mean. Obama was funded by Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan far more than McCain. Think about it. The recent 80 billion to AIG only went to cover hedge fund shortfalls, not their prime insurance section. Hedge fund players must sign a form from the SEC that ensures they can survive big time losses in that million dollar + club. So, why do they need to get bailed out? Obama fully endorsed the bail out from day one.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:13 pm

oh, hereeeees Jerry!

$30 billion more for AIG By Jerry Mazza
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American International Group (AIG) will get another $30 billion in government aid. This comes on the heels of its quarterly loss of $61.7 billion.

There’s nothing like rewarding massive failure with a series of massive bailouts. This included taking a $21 billion charge related to taxes and wrote down $25.9 billion in assets this quarter, which included mortgage-back dreck and credit-default swill, according to The New York Times.

This is the fourth bailout, so far, so the government now owns 80 percent of the insurer’s holding company, owing to the previous bailouts, including a $60 billion loan, a $40 billion purchase of preferred shares and $50 billion to soak up poison assets. How we doin, okay? But Federal officials are going to hang in there with AIG, valued at about $1 billion by hedge funds, according to Jim Cramer’s The Street.com, behind General Motors at $1.4 billion, both from giants to small caps.

The government’s cumulative bailouts from AIG far exceed Citi-group ($50 bill) and Bank of America ($45). AIG faced default on debt, purportedly threatening to send “shock waves through the systemâ€
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Post by ygmir » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:10 pm

I'd vote to wipe D.C. clean, and, start over...........all of 'em, "good" and "bad" (since I don't see much difference there)........

back to original intent.........

put the financiers in the gulag.....or, maybe it'd be worse punishment, to just take all their assets and make them "regular Joes"............it'd be a living hell for them.......driving themselves, wiping their own butts.........cooking.........

well, maybe we could take a few on a "Deliverance" trip..........
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Post by can't sit still » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:40 am

Obama's ratings are lower than Bush's ratings at a comparable time. Looks like the enthusiasm is wearing off.,
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123690358175013837.html
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Post by Elderberry » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:55 pm

ygmir wrote:I'd vote to wipe D.C. clean, and, start over...........all of 'em, "good" and "bad" (since I don't see much difference there)........

back to original intent.........

put the financiers in the gulag.....or, maybe it'd be worse punishment, to just take all their assets and make them "regular Joes"............it'd be a living hell for them.......driving themselves, wiping their own butts.........cooking.........

well, maybe we could take a few on a "Deliverance" trip..........
I heard this a long time ago in regard to wealth--"If you took all the money in the world and distributed it evenly among all of the people in the world, within five or 10 years, it would all be back with the original people in the same proportion as it was before it was redistributed."

Somehow I think this might apply to power and politicians as well--save for those on that deliverance trip.

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Post by ygmir » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:39 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:I'd vote to wipe D.C. clean, and, start over...........all of 'em, "good" and "bad" (since I don't see much difference there)........

back to original intent.........

put the financiers in the gulag.....or, maybe it'd be worse punishment, to just take all their assets and make them "regular Joes"............it'd be a living hell for them.......driving themselves, wiping their own butts.........cooking.........

well, maybe we could take a few on a "Deliverance" trip..........
I heard this a long time ago in regard to wealth--"If you took all the money in the world and distributed it evenly among all of the people in the world, within five or 10 years, it would all be back with the original people in the same proportion as it was before it was redistributed."

Somehow I think this might apply to power and politicians as well--save for those on that deliverance trip.
JK
yeah, I think I agree with you................It'd be nice for a while, though.......
all novice "leaders", no background in politics, just, hopefully, some "horse(Mule) sense"..........
I also agree about the wealth............

Funny, really, how we want to deny human nature and condition:
There will always be poor, and rich.........
Haves and have nots.
It's intrinsic that some are more motivated, smarter, "luckier", whatever.........
Some times, things just suck.......or not......

But, we think we can make it all "fair", whether it's wealth re-distribution, set asides, affirmative action, confiscatory tax rates, welfare,......it never has worked, for any length of time.........IMHO......

But, we feel "good" about ourselves because "we care"..........
Look at all the wealth transfer since "the great society" of LBJ...........
It has not improved the lot of the poor, as a percentage, and, some say it has gotten worse.............

Sure, we try, sure we feel sorry, or take pity and help, but, where does it end up? Same place it started......maybe different faces, same scene........

And, we tell the government, in all it's wisdom, to tax us, and others, and, do the work for us............at it's highly efficient best..........

nope, not cynical.......maybe to,(too, two?) pragmatic...........
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Post by Box Burner » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:47 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
wedeliver wrote:
ygmir wrote: I bet the court arguments were fascinating..........
It's actually quite a referendum, if I use the term correctly, on the system here in CA for constitutional changes..........
Does the majority rule? Who has the ultimate power, the people, or, the court, or the capital gangsters.........

And, if a change is made due to undue, outside influence, is it not possible, for the opposition, to bring up an opposite, or negating, change in the following election? And, if they are truly in the majority, and, can muster their voters, change it back?

....
"Who has the ultimate power"?? How about fairness, equality, logic, and inclusion.

If there had been a vote on Slavery, the "people" would have voted for it. Lincoln understood, that slavery was wrong on many levels. Denial of equality is WRONG also.
And yet when he was sworn in in 1861, he was not anti-slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was a political tool in the war. I think Lincoln came to be anti-slavery the hard way, the way that some of the people who voted against gay marraige in 77 and for it in 08 came to it. By seeing enough to realize the truth of suffering and injustice the status quo brought and that it should be changed. In the end, that, for me, is what make Lincoln our greatest president. He was able to learn in office, and to learn in a moral sense. I don't know of any current politicos in our current crop who have done that. I do hope that our current great crises is an opportunity for someone in a leadership position to do that now.

Or better yet, more than one.


However Lincoln felt about slavery, the real reason for freeing them was political. The war between the states was dragging on longer than both sides had anticipated and it appeared that it would go on for quite a long time yet. It was hoped that if the slaves knew that they would be free if the Northern states won they would rebel against their masters and help to end the war more quickly. It actually did not have much impact. It is unfortunate that Lincoln chose to do that during the war. In dong so he actually failed to really free the slaves, but rather made slaves of us all. While slavery was the underlying cause of the War Between the States, the real issue of the war was the right of the southern states to Secede from the Union. In that war the north was much Like Russia/Soviet Union; sending in troops to crush the smaller satellite states who did not want to play the soviet communist game anymore. So now everyone thinks that the Civil War was to free the slaves in the south. It was not. It was to force the southern states to remain a part of the Capitalist United States. We got screwed big time. It would have been better if he had not freed the slaves. Don't get me wrong, I think slavery is a stupid idea in the first place. But freeing the slaves when he did took the focus off of the fact that none of the states are really free. Slavery was already doomed. The industrial revolution was already underway and it was legal everywhere to pay a free man less than it cost for the upkeep of slaves.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:30 am

Good post !! Now we've come full circle again. Once again we're fighting states rights Vs federal power. The FEDs have power but not rights,,,, at least if you go by the constitution.
Once again the states are trying to assert their rights, especially under the 9th and 10th amendment. Once again the FED is preparing to slap them down.
If the federal GOV continues in power, we can look forward to increasing impoverishment as we try to maintain our empire. Not to mention trying to maintain the security of israel.
Reportedly, that looks like a lost cause anyway;
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=8 ... =351020202
Obama appears to have given free rein to the banks. The appointment of Rahm made that pretty clear. Geitner's appointment clarifies it. I believe that Obama will let the banks do whatever they please as long as he is allowed to institute socialism.
Obama has his blinders on because he moves forward in spite of the fact that socialism can't work. Vladimir Putin made it very clear to him that it didn't work in the USSR and it won't work in America.
It appears that obama is so on fixed on creating a legacy of bringing social equality to America that, he is ignoring too many fundamentals of the world economy.
His hero, Lincoln was a total failure. Obama wants to emulate him.
Celente has predicted that the US would be in revolution. Maybe yes,,, maybe no. Is civil war to be the legacy of Obama as it was for Lincoln?

I believe that Obama will be steamrollered by situations that are far beyond his control. Just as Bernanke was sucked in to be the fall guy, Obama is going to find that most of his high ideals are unworkable. He plans to spend most of the stimulus in 2010 when a bunch of dems in congress come up for re-election.

He's so cucoo that he thinks that the world is going to pony up $ 3 trillion next year to buy our debt. All his plans are predicated on impossible ideas and expectations.
He's just not being responsible or realistic.
We're going to pay for his dreams.
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Post by cowboyangel » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:33 pm

<<He's so cucoo that he thinks that the world is going to pony up $ 3 trillion next year to buy our debt. All his plans are predicated on impossible ideas and expectations.
He's just not being responsible or realistic.
We're going to pay for his dreams.>>

how true. When and 'if" the public at large begins to understand that they have and are being ripped off by an institution as corrupt as Bernie Madoff, then they'll be rioting in the streets. Labor Unions can get smart too and start using their own communications networks to sound the alarm regarding this colossal theft.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Mar 14, 2009 3:55 pm

Cowboy, don't hold your breath waiting for the unions to raise a stink. It's an open secret that social security has no money. Bush even said so. David Walker, the US comptroller-general said we have no money for retirees. The pension funds are blowing to hell.
Have you heard a peep out of AARP? This amazes the shit out of me. 401 K plans blown out of the water,,, not a word from AARP. The fortune 500 is something like $ 40 billion in arrears for pension contributions. CALPERS lost $ 7.8 billion in 1 week,,, no AARP.

It would be nice if the unions tried to let their members know how big the screwing is going to be. I haven't heard a word. How often did you hear union complaints about NAFTA ?
"Most favored nation" trading status for China ?? Latino immigration?
Ross Perot is a business man. He talked about the giant sucking sound,,,, not the unions.
Here's a vid from his site; http://perotcharts.com/2009/02/living-i ... ial-times/

The unions seem to be missing in action.
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Post by cowboyangel » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:31 pm

The problem with unions is union leadership not the rank and file. The ILWU has balls and may speak up. Let's see. The ILWU, pilots union , Teamsters and SEIU do have strong unions and can launch general strikes if push comes to shove. If enough of us are all out of work, what have we to lose?
I mention the unions because as embattled as they are, they do have the means to organize nationwide actions. The line in the sand is the employee free choice act. Watch that. Corporations and the banks are weakened now. It will be interesting to see what kind of wack-job rhetoric they use to try to destroy it.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:46 pm

There are some who claim that we are doing a redux of Clinton. Here's a well written summary of his accomplishments
http://www.rense.com/general/agony.htm
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Post by cowboyangel » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:02 pm

Ok. Obama supports the death penalty, increasing the military budget, maintaining US bases and troop levels at current, even increasing it in some cases (Afghanistan), nuclear power, keeping in place the Fed power structure -Giethner, Summers, Volker, not reversing the Bush array of anti-constitutional measures, putting out phony messages of hope, like his predecessor, agreeing to more bail-outs, to name a few.

Nothing is worse than a so called liberal at the reigns of a power structure truly run by the global financial cabal. At least we knew that Bush was an up-front scumbag.
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Post by can't sit still » Sat Mar 14, 2009 6:35 pm

I sense that you feel a tiny bit let down by Obama's failure to follow through on a couple of piddly promises. :lol: Well, give it time. When treasury debt sales fail, then you can feel more than just a tiny bit let down. :mrgreen:
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Post by Elderberry » Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:49 pm

All you nay sayers will be chocking on your words in a couple years.

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:01 am

jkisha wrote:All you nay sayers will be chocking on your words in a couple years.

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The Looming Collapse of the American Empire by Chris Hedges
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Transcript of Chris Hedges’ presentation at the University of Missouri, Columbia, February 17, 2009. University Lecture sponsored by College of Arts and Science, Peace Studies Program, and Center on Religion and the Professions.

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The daily bleeding of thousands of jobs will soon turn our economic crisis into a political crisis. The street protests, strikes and riots that have rattled France, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Iceland will descend on us. It is only a matter of time. And not much time. When things start to go sour, when Barack Obama is exposed as a mortal waving a sword at a tidal wave, the United States could plunge into a long period of precarious social instability.

At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real. Our way of life is over. Our profligate consumption is finished. Our empire is imploding. Our children will never have the standard of living we had. And poverty and despair will sweep across the landscape like a plague. This is the bleak future. There is nothing President Obama can do to stop it. It has been decades in the making. It cannot be undone with a trillion or two trillion dollars in bailout money. Our empire is dying. Our economy has collapsed.

Take a look at the grim statistics. The United Nations’ International Labor Organization estimates that some 50 million workers will lose their jobs worldwide this year. The collapse has already seen 3.6 million lost jobs in the United States. The International Monetary Fund’s prediction for global economic growth in 2009 is 0.5 percent-the worst since World War II. There are 2.3 million properties in the United States that received a default notice or were repossessed last year. And this number is set to rise in 2009, especially as vacant commercial real estate begins to be foreclosed. About 20,000 major global banks collapsed, were sold or were nationalized in 2008. There are an estimated 62,000 U.S. companies expected to shut down this year. Unemployment, when you add people no longer looking for jobs and part-time workers who cannot find full-time employment, is close to 14 percent.

And we have few tools left to dig our way out. The manufacturing sector in the United States has been destroyed by globalization. Consumers, thanks to credit card companies, shady mortgage brokers and easy lines of credit, are $14 trillion in debt. Banks, which have negative equities, are charging 23 to 30 percent on credit cards to try and recoup the loss made gambling on subprime bonds. The government has pledged trillions toward the crisis, most of it borrowed or printed in the form of new money. It is borrowing trillions more to fund our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And no one states the obvious: We will never be able to pay these loans back. We are supposed to somehow spend our way out of the crisis and maintain our imperial project on credit. Let our kids worry about it. There is no coherent and realistic plan, one built around the recognition of our severe limitations, to stanch the bleeding or ameliorate the mounting deprivations we will suffer as citizens. I am all in favor of a stimulus plan, but not a giveaway to zombie banks, to the creditors, without a dime for actual debt reduction. The hope that half a percentage point, $ 50 billion, might be used to write down troubled mortgage debtors was quashed by this current plan. As Michael Hudson, a professor at The University of Missouri, in Kansas City and a former Wall Street economist has correctly pointed out, what we have done is give $ 12 trillion to the richest one percent - or ten percent of the population - and indebted the economy and the government to this oligarchic class for the next 100 years. We need to refinance mortgages directly so that aid goes to homeowners. The banks and bondholders who made massive profits on these con schemes should take the hit, not the elderly couple down the street. This is what Roosevelt did in the 1930s with the Home Owners Loan Corporation. The stimulus plan is far too small to staunch the bleeding. State and Local governments will face revenue declines of $ 400 to $ 500 billion over the next two years — yet the money for the states in the stimulus package is about $ 140 billion. Why have we handed $ 135 billion to AIG, which has been raided in Britain by police because of allegations of financial fraud? We are paying out taxpayer dollars to mafia capitalists rather than the victims. It is insane. It is regressive politics. It is the opposite of New deal economics. And it will not work. The taxpayer dollars spent on high speed rail, on clean energy, on infrastructure repair, on food stamps, unemployment compensation and public health are helpful, but pitifully small given the magnitude of what we face.

How will we cope with our decline? Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark reality? Will we heed those who are sober and rational, those who speak of a new simplicity and humility, or will we follow the demagogues and charlatans who rise up out of the slime in moments of crisis to offer fantastic visions? Will we radically transform our system to one that protects the ordinary citizen and fosters the common good, that defies the corporate state and that dismantles our imperial wars and projects, or will we employ the brutality and technology of our internal security and surveillance apparatus to crush all dissent? We won’t have to wait long to find out.

We have a remarkable ability to create our own monsters. A few decades of meddling in the Middle East with our Israeli doppelgänger and we get Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaida, the Iraqi resistance movement and a resurgent Taliban. Now we trash the world economy and destroy the ecosystem and sit back to watch our handiwork. Hints of our brave new world seeped out last Thursday when Washington’s new director of national intelligence, retired Adm. Dennis Blair, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee. He warned that the deepening economic crisis posed perhaps our gravest threat to stability and national security. It could trigger, he said, a return to the “violent extremismâ€
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:58 am

Yes, I know...and all of the power grid and all the computers in the world are going to come crashing down in 2000, and the world will end in 2012...and how many years prior have these predictions of gloom and doom come and gone.

I'm way too lazy to put in my teeth this morning to start chewing on all of these doomsday predictions.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Mar 15, 2009 9:24 am

Cowboy, just imagine that you're standing in front of a tall building talking to someone. In your peripheral vision, you see someone throw a bowling ball off the top of the building. It's coming in your general direction and you think of warning the person that you're talking to. But, he's a small target, it will probably miss. You watch the progress of the ball in it's descent. You keep figuring that it will miss the guy. Finally, when the bowling ball is a few inches above his head, you figure that you should mention something to the guy,,,, for his own safety. :mrgreen:
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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:04 pm

Right. We can print more money, but really is that? Will China continue to loan us money with nearly 30 millions of its own workers unemployed? What pray tell is money anyway? Clouds. And these ones are evaporating fast.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:50 pm

Sir James George Frazer, The Golden Bough wrote: XXV. Temporary Kings

IN SOME places the modified form of the old custom of regicide which appears to have prevailed at Babylon has been further softened down. The king still abdicates annually for a short time and his place is filled by a more or less nominal sovereign; but at the close of his short reign the latter is no longer killed, though sometimes a mock execution still survives as a memorial of the time when he was actually put to death.

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:35 pm

Obama seems to be taking liberties with the Bill of Rights;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/our_governmen ... tion/#bill;


Actual: Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Here's the White House Version:

The First Amendment provides that Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise. It protects freedom of speech, the press, assembly, and the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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Actual: Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Here's the White House Version:
The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.
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Actual: Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Here's the White House Version:
The Third Amendment prohibits the government from quartering troops in private homes, a major grievance during the American Revolution.
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Actual: Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Here's the White House Version:
The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure. The government may not conduct any searches without a warrant, and such warrants must be issued by a judge and based on probable cause.
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Actual: Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

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The Fifth Amendment provides that citizens not be subject to criminal prosecution and punishment without due process. Citizens may not be tried on the same set of facts twice, and are protected from self-incrimination (the right to remain silent). The amendment also establishes the power of eminent domain, ensuring that private property is not seized for public use without just compensation.

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Actual: Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

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The Sixth Amendment assures the right to a speedy trial by a jury of one's peers, to be informed of the crimes with which they are charged, and to confront the witnesses brought by the government. The amendment also provides the accused the right to compel testimony from witnesses, and to legal representation.
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Actual: Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

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The Seventh Amendment provides that civil cases also be tried by jury.

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Actual: Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

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The Eighth Amendment prohibits excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel and unusual punishments.

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Actual: Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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The Ninth Amendment states that the list of rights enumerated in the Constitution is not exhaustive, and that the people retain all rights not enumerated.

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Actual: Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

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The Tenth Amendment assigns all powers not delegated to the United States, or prohibited to the states, to either the states or to the people.
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:17 pm

And your point?

This is not a change to, or alternative interpretation of, it is merely an explanation; much like a school teacher might paraphrase it. I don't see anything wrong with this; but I'm not a right wing talk-show host aficionado either.

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:21 pm

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Post by can't sit still » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:47 pm

This guy seems to be sour grapes about our commander in chief;
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Post by can't sit still » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:59 pm

"Additionally, Gloda predicted that almost every country will be ruled by women in 2020.

Moscow astrologers are currently lobbying to have astrology officially recognized as a serious science. "
http://www.mosnews.com/politics/2009/03/06/147/
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Post by **burn** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:43 am

A tangent from the last series of posts, and yet on topic.

From the Reno News & Review, April 9, 2009:
"Nevada's Black Rock Desert National Conservation Area was established as part of a 26-million acre National Landscape Conservation System, (NLCS) last week, when President Obama signed a sweeping lands package. The Washington Post called the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009 the "most significant wilderness law in at least 15 years." Within it, the NLCS aims to protect the most environmentally and historically significant lands controlled by the Bureau of Land Management. The designation requires the BLM to make conservation a priority when managing areas within the NLCS. The law contains language that protects access to hunting, fishing, trapping and recreational shooting." - Kat Kerlin

Does this mean we can bring back the drive by shooting range?

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:51 am

**burn** wrote: Does this mean we can bring back the drive by shooting range?

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What does this mean? Was there a time when guns were brought to BM or are you referencing something else?

I posted hearing something about guns being allowed at BM in times gone by, but was told this was just a rumor.

What's the scoop?

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