Party like it's Dec.21, 2012

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How will you handle it?

Find a good spot for a lawn chair and a case of whiskey.
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Find a good spot for a lawn chair and a case of whiskey.
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Nothing.
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Nothing.
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Screw everything in sight.
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Screw everything in sight.
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Loot and Pillage.
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Loot and Pillage.
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Submit to your alter-ego.
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Submit to your alter-ego.
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Take up yoga so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
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Take up yoga so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
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Other.
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Other.
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Post by tubahurl » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:15 pm

Greetings fellow deviants,

After spending the last week in the throws of a nasty little flu bug and watching waaaaayyyyyyy too much TV(damn that digital signal).
It occurred to me, how at least this country is entranced by prophetic apocalyptic doomsday theories. Just watch the discovery, history, national geographic, or the science channel, not to mention the multitude of religious channels, and it won’t be long before some show comes on and says; Guess what? Were all fucked in 2012.
So, here’s my question to you. Assssuuummmming that the neigh-sayers are correct and universal alignment will be our ultimate doom, How will you handle it? Image

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Post by Igneouss » Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:59 pm

12/21 is my birthday :)
I suppose if life on earth ends it might as well be on that day. LOL

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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:20 pm

How many times did the world not end before the Seventh Day Adventists stopped predicting the end of the world. I think Jehovah's Witnesses did the same thing. Of course, the mid-evil flagelents had good reason; it really must have looked like the world was ending. Having lived through the Harmonic Convergence and the Millenium Bug I don't have any fear that the world is ending in my lifetime.




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Post by Ugly Dougly » Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:51 am

I will be REAL disappointed if life goes on.

*sigh*

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:31 am

I will deal with it in a manner appropriate to my needs.

Well Dressed, High as a Kite, and in the Company of Honorable Thieves.

oh wait, thats the way i always live....


nevermind.
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Post by Oldguy » Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:11 pm

No, no, no.

It's triple boxcars.

12/ 12/ 12

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Post by Isotopia » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:05 pm

O Find a good spot for a lawn chair and a case of whiskey.
O Nothing.
O Screw everything in sight.
O Loot and Pillage.
O Submit to your alter-ego.
O Take up yoga so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
X Other. It's all clueless hippie bullshit

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Post by ygmir » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:10 pm

Oldguy wrote:No, no, no.

It's triple boxcars.

12/ 12/ 12
is a boxcar 6 or 12?
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Post by CapSmashy » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:30 am

My plan is to start selling "end of the world" kits. Survival gear, bottled water, mre's...

Everything the clueless and prophecy loons with too much money would ever need to ride out the apocalypse.

For a nominal 200% mark up over retail of course.

And a bit for my time to assemble this package.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:00 pm

ygmir wrote:
Oldguy wrote:No, no, no.

It's triple boxcars.

12/ 12/ 12
is a boxcar 6 or 12?
Boxcars are two sixes the way snake eyes are two ones.

Didn't you spend your childhood running a crap game in an alley?
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Post by Igneouss » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:41 pm

My plan is to take all the worldly belongings and cash off all the fools that believe this crap -- being the generous guy that I am and all.

:)

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Post by Sham » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:23 pm

No people, I think this time the end of humanity is for real. I read it on the internet. I am so glad the the date of the end of civilization falls after Burning Man 2012. It would be a shame to miss my last chance to dance naked in the desert.
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Post by Igneouss » Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:48 am

Interesting thing: academics that actually study this stuff do not agree on the date or on the meaning. It's not until you mix in some of that classic 'new age' philosophy that carefully picks and chooses only supporting facts and actively shuns legitimate interpretations and contradictory data, that you arrive at this point. The Mayanists cults that subscribe to the 2012 'end of the world' belief do so only by actively avoiding contradictory data and interpretations of history.

The early Mayans left us with a wealth of really cool information. The problem that the cults avoid is that the Mayan calendars were not particularly accurate. People confuse the wealth of documentation with accuracy. Compared to contemporaneous societies with recorded calendars, the Mayans rank pretty low for useful accuracy.

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Post by Artemis » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:20 am

This morning on the subway some lady was running from car to car yelling "eight twenty-one twenty eleven". At first I thought maybe she was calling some football formation but I couldn't remember if I was supposed to run or catch the ball. But then she added "end of the world" to the end of her chant and I guess she was talking about doomsday. Question is - how did it move up 16 months?

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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:00 am

Shambala wrote:No people, I think this time the end of humanity is for real. I read it on the internet.
So that's why the harmonic convergence didn't take.
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Post by BAS » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:32 pm

Artemis wrote:This morning on the subway some lady was running from car to car yelling "eight twenty-one twenty eleven". At first I thought maybe she was calling some football formation but I couldn't remember if I was supposed to run or catch the ball. But then she added "end of the world" to the end of her chant and I guess she was talking about doomsday. Question is - how did it move up 16 months?
Scheduling conflict-- Igneouss' birthday was on that day. They kept pushing the date up until the whole doomsday committee came to an agreement. So now, barring any other conflicts, 08/21/2011 is the end of the world. Be sure to stop by for the Post-Apocalyptic Going Out of Business Sale.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:57 am

i've said it before....A REALLY long surfboard. The top of the Empire State Bldg.
Wait for Tsunami.
Ride that Mother to the Catskills.

Kowabunga.
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Post by ygmir » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:50 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:i've said it before....A REALLY long surfboard. The top of the Empire State Bldg.
Wait for Tsunami.
Ride that Mother to the Catskills.

Kowabunga.
see, that surprises me.
I'd have taken you for an "out-rigger war canoe with a bevy of Mowry warriors"
type of post apocalyptic surfing person........
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Post by lordgrizz » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:12 pm

I love the end of the world! Last time it happened (y2k) I threw a huge end of the world party. I got as many tv's as I could and put them all over the house, all tuned into different stations. That way we would not miss any thing. I invited all of my friends, and told them to invite all of their friends. It was freaking awesome! I can wait for 2012, End of the World parties rock.
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Post by bx1 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:46 am

For *anyone* who cares, there is no actual known date for the world ending. However, I will say that every theory on (December) 2012 being the year is utter B.S. Since I'm bored, I'll go through the theories and why they hold no weight...

Reasons why some people say it will happen:
The Bible predicts it
The Mayans predicted it
Nostradamus predicted it
Scientists like Zecharia Sitchin have proof it will happen
There will be a planetary alignment
Earth will cross the galactic plane
Increased solar activity: flares/sun spots that year will fry us
Polar shift (geomagnetic reversal or an actual shift)
We are headed for a photon belt in the pleiades

Ok here we go.
1. First, the Bible *never* mentions 2012 or references it in any way. It talks about the end times, but there is no mention of when. It does note however that no man shall know the date. Oh and for people who say the bible code predicts it (I've heard some rumors), the bible code is non sense. Supercomputers have examined the same passages and found no patterns. People will find patterns when they want to, it's called being creative. To prove this, some people actually applied the bible code to a copy of "Moby Dick" and they were able to show it explaining past events and predicting future events as well.

2. The Mayans didn’t predict doomsday. As with many other civilizations, their calendar is based on cycles. December 21, 2012 is just the end of the current cycle of their 'Long Count' calendar. Similarly, ours ends on December 31 of every year, does this mean the world ends every December 31? No. And, those who say the Mayan translations on the same calendar predict it are interpreting it the way they want are really reaching, there are numerous cryptic and religious writings on it, any of which can be interpreted a multiple of ways. The Mayans calendar was done in cycles and ages. Their years always end at the winter solstice, as does their long count calendar. The current cycle ends December 21, 2012. The Mayans didn’t predict the end of the world, only the end of that cycle.

3. Nostradamus didn’t predict it. Oh yes there are several supposed quatrains out there saying this, THEY ARE FAKE. Nostradamus has never mentioned 2012. Do some research. Even his actual predictions are interpreted a multiple ways. Ask any Nostradamus scholar, no one agrees on his predictions anyway.

4. Zecharia Sitchin = *NOT A SCIENTIST* He is an author of books that promote alien origin theories for human beings. He attributes the creation of the ancient Sumerian culture to the Annunaki or Nephilim (aliens), from a hypothetical planet named Nibiru in the outer solar system. Nibiru does not exist, NASA has numerous articles explaining gravitional forces in our outer solar system that explain why a planet out there would have been found by now. Sitchin has only recently decided to revolve his writings around 2012 and a collision with the planet Nibiru. Furthermore, his translations of Sumerian texts have proven to be false and full of errors. In many of his supposed translations, he uses several *different* words to describe the aliens, whenever it is convenient and matches his theories (hardly sounds like a scientist to me).

5. A planetary alignment. Ok, for starters, it is impossible for all the planets to form a straight line out from the Sun (or viewed superimposed on each other in the sky), because each planetary orbit is tilted slightly with respect to the Earth's orbit. Visible alignments occur, this simply means that all the other planets lined up as seen in our view of the sky, not in a straight line as many misinterpret it.

6. There is no galactic alignment occurring in 2012. We will begin passing through the galactic plane, but it takes 36 years to precess through galactic equator, and we will be 6 degrees off in 2012. Even if we did have an alignment, it would have no effect on us. There are vast distances involved that will have no effect on us. This has also happened before in earth's history, and there is no evidence to support that it will effect us at all. NASA has even stated this is merely a celestial event that will simply change our perspective to the center of the galaxy.

7. Solar activity: flares / sun spots. Yes, there will be increased solar activity. These increase in an 11 year cycle, and we do have one of the biggest ones in 50 years headed are way. However, even the worst of these have shown to only effect radio and satellite communications slightly, not cause a cataclysmic event.

8. Geomagnetic reversal - These reversals of the magnetic field have occurred in the past, as shown by magnetic striping, but we can’t predict when they will occur again. The time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. Although fast by geological standards, reversals are by no means quick on the human time scale. They take between 1000 to 8000 years to complete. There is no evidence to support that an "immediate reversal" is even possible, let alone that it has happened in the past, however, Homo Erectus and their ancestors survived previous reversals.

9. Photon belt: We are not heading for a photon belt in the Pleiades. The earth isn't heading toward the Pleiades but away from them. In the 1850s it was conjectured that the earth orbited the Pleiades, but this has long since been discredited. No photon belt or other such region of increased energy has been discovered. Photons in any case are merely particles of electromagnetic energy, which we commonly experience as light. Upon exposure to excess photons the most common transformation of your being is sunburn.

BONUS: Past Doomsday Predictions

1983: In the 1970's a guy named John Gribbin wrote a book called "The Jupiter Effect" that predicted the end of the world would occur in 1983 due a once in a millennium planetary alignment. The 1983 event was just a "visible alignment" in with the term alignment as I stated before.

1999: Y2K (computers crashing, etc.), the end of 2000 years of the gregorian calendar, etc. Note: Many predicting 2012 as doomsday also predicted 1999 and other dates as well.

2000: The Survival Center had claimed the destruction of the Earth to occur in May 2000 due to the "planetary alignment."

2003: The original collision date for the planet Nibiru was predicted to be 2003. Undaunted when it didn't show up, the doomsdayers just moved it out to 2012 to coincide with the end of the current cycle of the Mayan calendar.

2029: Collision with the asteroid "Apophis" There was an actual collision alert was for 2029, but was canceled after additional observations showed it would not hit us.

I am not saying nothing will happen in 2012 (hell we could blow ourselves up for all I know). I am just saying there is no actual scientific evidence that anything unusual is going to happen. It is a collection of myths and disproven theories being promulgated by doomsday predictors, who predict a new one every few years.

Source(s):
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/
http://www.etsu.edu/physics/etsuobs/sta ... nalign.htm
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... we-know-it
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050909
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Si...
Paul Chodas / NASA / JPL : www.nasa.gov
Donald Yeomans, manager of the Near Earth Object Program
Jean Meeus, Mathematical Astronomy Morsels, 1997
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/19 ... y-in-2012/
http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/nmp/reversals_e.php
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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:41 pm

Nice, Bx1. Too bad the believers won't be persuaded. I would add that the Revalation of St. John isn't about some future date, but is rather a symbolic destruction of his present in its (percieved) decadence.
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Post by Badger » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:38 pm

With all this 2012 bullshit I can almost understand why Romans were tossing Christians to the lions.

People who espouse this mystic bullshit should have gas tossed on their collective numbers and then set aflame by some lucky observer who gets the lucky lotto number to toss the match.

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Re: Party like it's Dec.21, 2012

Post by Sensei » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:49 pm

tubahurl wrote:It occurred to me, how at least this country is entranced by prophetic apocalyptic doomsday theories.
I find that girl's eyebrows to be much, much more frightening (and interesting) than any moldy old Mayan prophesy.

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Post by blyslv » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:07 pm

Sensei, WTF? Will party with me like it's 2012?
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Post by Sensei » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:32 pm

Before, during and afterwards, sir.

As if you didn't know that...

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Post by bx1 » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:06 pm

Sensei do I know you from somewhere? You aren't on Junglescene are you?
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Post by Sensei » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:29 pm

Nope, I'm a strict Freudian.

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Post by bx1 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:34 am

Sensei wrote:Nope, I'm a strict Freudian.
So no DnB in your life? That's the most depressing thing I've ever heard.
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Post by Playa Tom » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:54 pm

The last end of the earth Y2K day I spent on the playa, I was the only human in 100 square miles, had a great time then went back to Gerlach and partied. 12/12 might be a good excuse to do it again.

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Post by oneeyeddick » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:06 pm

Playa Tom wrote:The last end of the earth Y2K day I spent on the playa, I was the only human in 100 square miles, had a great time then went back to Gerlach and partied. 12/12 might be a good excuse to do it again.
No you weren't ...I was there too, but you couldn't see me because of my camoflauge suit.


You are lucky my sniper rifle jammed.

See you in 2012...........
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