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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:14 pm

littleflower wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:Great! I was thinking about changing the location to JP Morgan Chase in the 500 block of Market at 1st. I'd love to have you help LF. You know.....the press will be there and we'll get photographed and become famous for 15 seconds, but I've been there and done that. You can hold the scythe..... if you're not toooo scared.....
ooooh, i would love to touch your scythe!!!! although ... i must say, i prefer straight blades to curved ones ....

i'm surprised that they let you wander about the city with such a dangerous weapon.

yeah, especially when the scythe is made out of dollar bills!
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Post by littleflower » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:34 pm

a consumerist bitch might steal your scythe... perhaps i should dress up as something else? an honest, hardworking, taxpaying american who saves her money, perhaps? but that's no fun, plenty of those around.

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:58 pm

Thanks to Tiny Tim that dollar scythe will be devalued faster than an ice cube in hell. You oughta dress in some slinky black thing....to get attention of course....
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:58 pm

"The only ace in the hole is that the Fed is trying all these other creative instruments to get credit going again. You know what is the only thing that will work? The only way this will work is if the Fed and U.S. Treasury nationalize all banks and enforce lax lending standards and bring back the bubble days. That way, they can directly oversee how the funds are being disbursed."
"Yet the major losers here are those who are prudent and savers."
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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:11 pm

but but...the debt is soaring and China has been making waves about a new currency basket of international reserves. The Fed can print more money, but that will cause the dollars devaluation and inflation. That's where we're headed. We are so far in debt even our children will be saddled with it. That's what's wrong with this entire bail-out scam. And it is a scam, probably the biggest one to ever been hoisted on the American public.

There is the rest of the world.....a big big factor. G20 oughta be interesting.

Now I'm gonna go plan my next book shoot. Greenspan and Rush are up for review.. suggestions kindly taken

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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:23 pm

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Ok Obama's got his costume, and I've got mine (thanks to biker supplies) now, LF, show me the money babe.....
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Post by RingO'Fire » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:06 am

Matt Tiabbi did an excellent piece explaining the principal origin of the financial meltdown and bailout in this month's Rolling Stone. He names the names of the guilty parties too, including the guy who originally came up the idea of "collateralized debt obligations" and "credit default swaps", aka, "derivatives."
Matt Tiabbi wrote:That guy — the Patient Zero of the global economic meltdown — was one Joseph Cassano, the head of a tiny, 400-person unit within the company [AIG] called AIG Financial Products, or AIGFP.
The Big Takeover
The global economic crisis isn't about money - it's about power. How Wall Street insiders are using the bailout to stage a revolution


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... g_takeover
...but it seemed like such a good idea at the time...

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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:24 am

Hi Ring. Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. Yeah I'm aware of Cassano and the London unit of AIG.
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Post by littleflower » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:26 am

CBA ... what do you think of this? i could stick some dollar bills here and there ...

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actually ... i was always the one hiding in the back of the classroom ... never like people staring at me ....

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Post by AlCHEMY interupted » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:07 pm

how many burners does it take to rob a bank?


less than it takes to get the dork out of jail...
read the next post
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Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth is..just go rob a bank!?

Post by AlCHEMY interupted » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:37 pm

if ya hate banks and love burners..It seems you all will find this a wee bit interesting..A BURNER WALKS INTO A BANK ONE DAY AND....

Currently I know of one 5 year tried and true Burner of note and record..and I do mean ...record.
picture if you will...

this Postal camp volunteer
.of who-whom is sitting NOW in the nut hut section of a Northern California facility ...looking thru the glass devider with clouded med soaked eyes and drewlin into his oatmeal..
Why?

This common mans Toby Maquire-in a bi-polar bear suit
for whom a moment of complete desperation and bi-polar rebelion(?) wakes up one morning still --realing from the shock of returning from last years AWESOME burn,to find his Shop sacked and all his tools stollen by some tool. - phone rings and we find out my grandmother has died..
(get to the part about the pie!...)


and looking at his family and his life and our bag of stuggles gets completely insane about bringing home the bacon and dissapears caveat diem -

Hes gonna save the day..
... LATER RETURNS WITH A 12 UNIT POLICE ESCORT why?
for:
FUCKING THE BANK BACK !!

:twisted:

This is a man whom has never before commited a crime,not even a parking ticket. Who loves animals kids and old folks- just couldnt stand it anymore I guess bitchin in a virtual forum didnt quite satisfy....

What might of been crawlin up his ass was..
He just couldnt get a gig,had been robbed while at the Burn by some sack of shit that stole his tools and his livelyhood,couldnt pay his child support,-then my custody battle was going badly,my daughter was in danger f..wanted to get married and my grandmother held my morgage..she was dead..he wanted to save our home from forclosure,his shop from eviction,smog his truck,pay his support,get us medical insurance,and ironically...SAVE HIS BELOVED DOG from being euthanized at a local DOGGIE JAIL . They were gonna put him down because he was a pit bull and had been there too long for non-payment.!!! Problem I guess was he wanted to-and felt he had to do it all at once
LIKE
THAT morning!!! :shock:

The story is a jaw dropper in true Burner fashion. The whole act was a calamedy
Hes facing very serious charges,and possibly 30 years for being fed up with the federal banking practices .,economic sufferage from the real estate crisis (aaaaaand watching tooooo much TV.?) The report reads like a hysterical but tragic screen play.

My love is a hero and a fool.

So starting this April Fools Day, at the ST, STUPIDS Day Parade I will be putting the word out about my true loves situation-trying to get some public attention and to get his some support - It might be 30 years before he sees another burn,or makes love,or spins poi,or goes to the frogpond. Cashes a check..
He could use some letters -pictures-and funds. Hes lost everything..except me.

Hes an amazing guy. Crazier than a shit house rat..or maybe hes just a dreamer. Balls--you betcha! I beleive
The trigger was. the night before...when my ATM denied us a small dinner transaction for pie. I knew I had more money in my account,but he just snapped out about it . Personally..Im a cash and carry or go with out type..but I received an award and stuffed it into an account like a real live grown up-We were going to flip my morgage and build up equity in my home -turn it into a Burner conclave for the Burner Transplant Project- and let it be our retirement...

But then I HAD to go and crave PIE!!!

Im looking for a few of you commie pinko-politico hippees with savvy to get involved in my efforts to SAVE THE WILD GRIFFIN!!

Get the word out-do a fund raising gig..merchandise..letter write..
do a documentury, Rave for the raving mad..bailout the victems of the bailout..

It was those darned checking fees...

The long A.R.M of the law...

cause the fact is..my hero


would stand a better chance at surviving what ever the future brings if he was able to get better help that The Public defender.
He needs physciatric support and a decent lawyer..One has shown interest for his case,and dropped his retainer to $10,000 for costs.covers.investigative forensics and pie.This seems promicing...
we are about 2500 short..

maybe I could get a loan?
WAIT HE ROBBED MY FUCKING BANK!! now my credits fucked..and I wont get the toaster..

No really...he fucked my credit..who is gonna loan money on a morgage to someone financially tied to a 211 suspect?

Oh wait! The Government?

His family has givin alot of false hope..
supposedly we have $7000 raised -but they havent shown much real back up for this goin on how many monthes?
We will see. Theyre all "We got your back son..Dont worry!"
They pray for him alot..I here there is a request for " Devine Providence" from the Savior..a miracle has been scheduled and submitted to the Lord for emeadiate releif !!!!..I hear there was a bake sale..or a rummage sale..but fuck me for being a bitch!..anything (but false hope) will help. and we're thankful for it
Maybe
We could just go Rob a bank... or not.

all his old friends blew him off, he received maybe two visits from those who just wanted to see the train wreck...

22 hours a day in a 6-9 box eating grey food- watching his cellys fightin race wars and wearing orange. and no pie..

please.. SAVE THE WILD GRIFFIN...



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Post by ygmir » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:11 pm

WTF?
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:34 pm

it has been more than once that the very same "crazy" thought has come to mind.

desperate times, desperate measures.


the line is very thin, and quite easy to cross under the right conditions, and as the current zeitgeist is increasingly negative, i expect we will see more succumb to the lure of a righteous, yet doomed quick fix for an economic deluge that was unexpected and undeserved.

i suggest writing the screenplay asap and optioning it to pay for bail, legal fees, etc etc etc.

try working that angle, and good luck.

we are a multi-faceted city of 50,000, i'm surprised this has'nt happened more.
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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:45 pm

wtf is right. I'm not a robber, I just don't like the idea of Goldman Sachs-Kissinger and Associates Tiny Tim and his evil brood robbing me, and you and you and you and all of us. Clean fun protesting is where it's at. Ask Rev Billy.....
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Post by cowboyangel » Tue Mar 31, 2009 8:47 am

Finally, somebody nailed it. The tax rate ought to start at the top 1% .


Obama’s Attack on the Middle Class By Paul Craig Roberts
Posted on March 31, 2009 by dandelionsalad

Dandelion Salad

By Paul Craig Roberts
March 30, 2009 “Information Clearing House“

Obama and his public relations team have made it appear that his trillion dollars in higher taxes will fall only on “the rich.â€
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Post by littleflower » Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:49 am

i have to quibble with that 30%...

only self employed people pay 15% social security taxes... employers pay half for most people, and those living on investment income and pensions pay none. and SE people have deductions.

also, the first $7,850 is not taxed for single people, and that goes up ... e.g. $15K for a single parent with one child. a single person making 25K with no deductions would pay about $4451 ... or 17.8%. if they owned their home, that would likely go down, not up, because they would be able to itemize their deductions. state tax isn't enough to push it to 30%, even in a high tax state like CA. sales tax is bad in some states, like here in CA, but at least we don't have to pay it on food.

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Apr 01, 2009 6:08 pm

When the chips are down, you can always count on IBM to be innovative;
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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:28 pm

All I hope for is that the right number of tipping point Americans are getting that fact that big money runs everything, the president, congress, senate, the military, the media. It's important to know who is really screwing us.
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Post by littleflower » Wed Apr 01, 2009 9:41 pm

but who, exactly, is big money? how can we stop them if we don't know exactly who they are?

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:50 pm

cowboyangel wrote:All I hope for is that the right number of tipping point Americans are getting that fact that big money runs everything, the president, congress, senate, the military, the media. It's important to know who is really screwing us.
This was a big part of the reason people were so outraged by the AIG bonuses. But as long as there is un-checked (as in regulated) capitalism what can people expect? There is something positive to be said for wealth redistribution.

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Post by ygmir » Thu Apr 02, 2009 6:32 am

jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:
There is something positive to be said for wealth redistribution.

JK
would you qualify that?
Say,
would you be ok with probably over half your income taken, to re-distribute to Ecuadorian farmers?........
Re-distribute to put the world on equal terms? or, just the U.S.?

Might be only one third if it's U.S. only........

And, if people really want, "wealth redistribution", why not do it on your own? Why not give a very large portion of their incomes to the poor?

I say that mostly regarding the "hollywood elite" and other super rich people that sit on tv and complain about the poor.........

they want a large portion of my money, but, as a percentage, give almost nothing themselves........

Dang, sorry JK......I guess that pushed a button.......
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:00 am

i'm all for wealth redistribution.

please send your money to me. I will redistribute to those that really need it.*






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see what i MEAN?


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Post by can't sit still » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:22 am

Hey, I'm all for wealth distribution. Obama was financed by the banks. A normal mature economy can only grow by about 3--4 % a year. A war economy drains the system. Obama's defense budget is bigger than Bush's 2006 defense budget. Bankers can't make ?enough? in good times. So, they continuously invent new enemies to keep a continuous war economy,,, at a deficit.
War on Terror,,, war on drugs,,, etc.
REDISTRIBUTE my fucking money from the war industry to MY pocket.
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Post by littleflower » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:32 am

jkisha wrote: But as long as there is un-checked (as in regulated) capitalism what can people expect? There is something positive to be said for wealth redistribution.

JK
i also want some of that redistributed money!!! i deserve it. so there.

also JK ... we do have regulated capitalism. there are all kinds of laws and regulations ... you must know it. too much regulation and you will kill business. too little, and you get rampant corruption. the trick is to find the balance ... and it is not an easy thing to do. no matter what, there will always be people who will look to get around the law and make out with a bunch of loot. and people in power who want to hurt some person or business for their own selfish reasons. and people who want something for nothing and are willing to milk the system.

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Post by Elderberry » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:34 am

ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:
There is something positive to be said for wealth redistribution.

JK
would you qualify that?
Say,
would you be ok with probably over half your income taken, to re-distribute to Ecuadorian farmers?........
Re-distribute to put the world on equal terms? or, just the U.S.?

Might be only one third if it's U.S. only........

And, if people really want, "wealth redistribution", why not do it on your own? Why not give a very large portion of their incomes to the poor?

I say that mostly regarding the "hollywood elite" and other super rich people that sit on tv and complain about the poor.........

they want a large portion of my money, but, as a percentage, give almost nothing themselves........

Dang, sorry JK......I guess that pushed a button.......
:) OK, I knew this post would push someone's button! Here is my thinking on this. First,

I think we can agree that there will always be rich people and always be poor people and always be those in the middle.

I hope we can agree that poor people are usually poor because of their mental capabilities--sometimes because of circumstance, but I think history has proved that even those in unfavorable circumstances can pull themselves up if they have the mental capacity.

I hape we can also agree that rich people are usually rich because they have the mental capacity to make money. (yes some have inherited wealth and some have the mental capacity but lack drive, but there are always this sort of exception.

Then there are those of us in the middle--that work are asses off trying to compete and make as much money as we can, but no matter how hard we work we can never really have quite enough money to live a truly comfortable life. I don't want to argue on this figure--for some this could be as little as $30,000.00 and others maybe a million.

But what is the point when you have too much money? Who needs a Billioni dollars to be 'comfortable'? or even muti-millions?

Many well-known names that fall into this category are quite generous with their philanthropy. Most are just greedy and want more and more, no matter the consequence or whether they need it for even the most elaborate of creature comforts.

So...the poor either need to be taken care of by the rich or they need to be eliminated via selective breeding or forced birth control or some other totally unacceptable method that is against the current societal norms.

Like it or not, I think the government is in the best position to reach a balance here-- and how people are taxed is the best way to do it.

Is $250,000.00 the cut-off point of middle-class to rich? Personally, I don't think so, $250,000.00 doesn't buy as much as it used to! But to a person that earns $15,000.00, a person earning oer $250,000.00 is very rich.

And yes, littleflower, it is a complicated balancing act.

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Young Chuck moved to Texas and bought a donkey from a farmer for $100.

The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.

The next day the farmer drove up and said, "Sorry Chuck, but I have some
bad news.... The donkey died.'"

Chuck replied, "Well then, just give me my money back."

The farmer said," 'Can't do that. I went and spent it already."

Chuck said, "OK, then, just bring me the dead donkey."

The farmer asked, "What ya gonna do with a dead donkey?"

Chuck said, "I'm going to raffle him off."

The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"

Chuck said, "Sure I can. Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead."

A month later, the farmer met up with Chuck and asked, "What happened with
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Chuck said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars apiece
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Chuck said, "Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back."

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Post by cowboyangel » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:49 pm

I've heard about this linkage between the huge US global military presence/expenditures to the US financial condition, but never heard it explored or explained so well. Kudos Michael Hudson. Read this carefully or twice if you have to. It explains how the real economy works, I'm afraid. The SCO is an interesting counter force to NATO, THE IMF, World Bank and possibly to the US financial hegemony.



Economic Meltdown: The "Dollar Glut" is What Finances America's Global Military Build-up

by Prof. Michael Hudson


I am traveling in Europe for three weeks to discuss the global financial crisis with government officials, politicians and labor leaders. What is most remarkable is how differently the financial problem is perceived over here. It's like being in another economic universe, not just another continent.

The U.S. media are silent about the most important topic policy makers are discussing here (and I suspect in Asia too): how to protect their countries from three inter-related dynamics: (1) the surplus dollars pouring into the rest of the world for yet further financial speculation and corporate takeovers; (2) the fact that central banks are obliged to recycle these dollar inflows to buy U.S. Treasury bonds to finance the federal U.S. budget deficit; and most important (but most suppressed in the U.S. media, (3) the military character of the U.S. payments deficit and the domestic federal budget deficit.

Strange as it may seem ­ and irrational as it would be in a more logical system of world diplomacy ­ the "dollar glut" is what finances America's global military build-up. It forces foreign central banks to bear the costs of America's expanding military empire ­ effective "taxation without representation." Keeping international reserves in "dollars" means recycling their dollar inflows to buy U.S. Treasury bills ­ U.S. government debt issued largely to finance the military.

To date, countries have been as powerless to defend themselves against the fact that this compulsory financing of U.S. military spending is built into the global financial system. Neoliberal economists applaud this as "equilibrium," as if it is part of economic nature and "free markets" rather than bare-knuckle diplomacy wielded with increasing aggressiveness by U.S. officials. The mass media chime in, pretending that recycling the dollar glut to finance U.S. military spending is "showing their faith in U.S. economic strength" by sending "their" dollars here to "invest." It is as if a choice is involved, not financial and diplomatic compulsion to choose merely between "Yes" (from China, reluctantly), "Yes, please" (from Japan and the European Union) and "Yes, thank you" (Britain, Georgia and Australia).

It is not "foreign faith in the U.S. economy" that leads foreigners to "put their money here." This is a silly anthropomorphic picture of a more sinister dynamic. The "foreigners" in question are not consumers buying U.S. exports, nor are they private-sector "investors" buying U.S. stocks and bonds. The largest and most important foreign entities putting "their money" here are central banks, and it is not "their money" at all. They are sending back the dollars that foreign exporters and other recipients turn over to their central banks for domestic currency.

When the U.S. payments deficit pumps dollars into foreign economies, these banks are being given little option except to buy U.S. Treasury bills and bonds ­ which the Treasury spends on financing an enormous, hostile military build-up to encircle the major dollar-recyclers ­ China, Japan and Arab OPEC oil producers. Yet these governments are forced to recycle dollar inflows in a way that funds U.S. military policies in which they have no say in formulating, and which threaten them more and more belligerently. That is why China and Russia took the lead in forming the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) a few years ago.

Here in Europe there is a clear awareness that the U.S. payments deficit is much larger than just the trade deficit. One need merely look at Table 5 of the U.S. balance-of-payments data compiled by the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) and published by the Dept. of Commerce in its Survey of Current Business to see that the deficit does not stem merely from consumers buying more imports than the United States exports as the financial sector de-industrializes its economy. U.S. imports are now plunging as the economy shrinks and consumers are now finding themselves obliged to pay down the debts they have taken on.

Congress has told foreign investors in the largest dollar holder, China, not to buy anything except perhaps used-car dealerships and maybe more packaged mortgages and Fannie Mae stock ­ the equivalent of Japanese investors being steered into spending $1 billion for Rockefeller Center, on which they subsequently took a 100% loss, and Saudi investment in Citigroup. That's the kind of "international equilibrium" that U.S. officials love to see. "CNOOK go home" is the motto when it comes to serious attempts by foreign governments and their sovereign wealth funds (central bank departments trying to figure out what to do with their dollar glut) to make direct investments in American industry.

So we are left with the extent to which the U.S. payments deficit stems from military spending. The problem is not only the war in Iraq, now being extended to Afghanistan and Pakistan. It is the expensive build-up of U.S. military bases in Asian, European, post-Soviet and Third World countries. The Obama administration has promised to make the actual amount of this military spending more transparent. That presumably means publishing a revised set of balance of payments figures as well as domestic federal budget statistics.

The military overhead is much like a debt overhead, extracting revenue from the economy. In this case it is to pay the military-industrial complex, not merely Wall Street banks and other financial institutions. The domestic federal budget deficit does not stem only from "priming the pump" to give away enormous sums to create a new financial oligarchy. It contains an enormous and rapidly growing military component.

So Europeans and Asians see U.S. companies pumping more and more dollars into their economies, not only to buy their exports in excess of providing them with goods and services in return, and not only to buy their companies and "commanding heights" of privatized public enterprises without giving them reciprocal rights to buy important U.S. companies (remember the U.S. turn-down of China's attempt to buy into the U.S. oil distribution business), and not only to buy foreign stocks, bonds and real estate. The U.S. media somehow neglect to mention that the U.S. Government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars abroad ­ not only in the Near East for direct combat, but to build enormous military bases to encircle the rest of the world, to install radar systems, guided missile systems and other forms of military coercion, including the "color revolutions" that have been funded ­ and are still being funded ­ all around the former Soviet Union. Pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills adding up to tens of millions of the dollars at a time have become familiar "visuals" on some TV broadcasts, but the link is not made with U.S. military and diplomatic spending and foreign central-bank dollar holdings, which are reported simply as "wonderful faith in the U.S. economic recovery" and presumably the "monetary magic" being worked by Wall Street's Tim Geithner at Treasury and Helicopter Ben Bernanke at the Federal Reserve.

Here's the problem: The Coca Cola company recently tried to buy China's largest fruit-juice producer and distributor. China already holds nearly $2 trillion in U.S. securities ­ way more than it needs or can use, inasmuch as the United States Government refuses to let it buy meaningful U.S. companies. If the U.S. buyout would have been permitted to go through, this would have confronted China with a dilemma: Choice #1 would be to let the sale go through and accept payment in dollars, reinvesting them in what the U.S. Treasury tells it to do ­U.S. Treasury bonds yielding about 1%. China would take a capital loss on these when U.S. interest rates rise or when the dollar declines as the United States alone is pursuing expansionary Keynesian policies in an attempt to enable the U.S. economy to carry its debt overhead.

Choice #2 is not to recycle the dollar inflows. This would lead the renminbi to rise against the dollar, thereby eroding China's export competitiveness in world markets. So China chose a third way, which brought U.S. protests. It turned the sale of its tangible company for merely "paper" U.S. dollars ­ which went with the "choice" to fund further U.S. military encirclement of the S.C.O. The only people who seem not to be drawing this connection are the American mass media, and hence public. I can assure you from personal experience, it is being drawn here in Europe. (Here's a good diplomatic question to discuss: Which will be the first European country besides Russia to join the S.C.O.?)

Academic textbooks have nothing to say about how "equilibrium" in foreign capital movements ­ speculative as well as for direct investment ­ is infinite as far as the U.S. economy is concerned. The U.S. economy can create dollars freely, now that they no longer are convertible into gold or even into purchases of U.S. companies, inasmuch as America remains the world's most protected economy. It alone is permitted to protect its agriculture by import quotas, having "grandfathered" these into world trade rules half a century ago. Congress refuses to let "sovereign wealth" funds invest in important U.S. sectors.

So we are confronted with the fact that the U.S. Treasury prefers foreign central banks to keep on funding its domestic budget deficit, which means financing the cost of America's war in the Near East and encirclement of foreign countries with rings of military bases. The more "capital outflows" U.S. investors spend to buy up foreign economies ­the most profitable sectors, where the new U.S. owners can extract the highest monopoly rents ­ the more funds end up in foreign central banks to support America's global military build-up. No textbook on political theory or international relations has suggested axioms to explain how nations act in a way so adverse to their own political, military and economic interests. Yet this is just what has been happening for the past generation.

So the ultimate question turns out to be what countries can do to counter this financial attack. A Basque labor union asked me whether I thought that controlling speculative capital movements would ensure that the financial system would act in the public interest. Or is outright nationalization necessary to better develop the real economy?

It is not simply a problem of "regulation" or "control of speculative capital movements." The question is how nations can act as real nations, in their own interest rather than being roped into serving whatever U.S. diplomats decide is in America's interest.

Any country trying to do what the United States has done for the past 150 years is accused of being "socialist" ­ and this from the most anti-socialist economy in the world, except when it calls bailouts for its banks "socialism for the rich," a.k.a. financial oligarchy. This rhetorical inflation almost leaves no alternative but outright nationalization of credit as a basic public utility.

Of course, the word "nationalization" has become a synonym for bailing out the largest and most reckless banks from their bad loans, and bailing out hedge funds and non-bank counterparties for losses on "casino capitalism," gambling on derivatives that AIG and other insurers or players on the losing side of these gambles are unable to pay. Such bailouts are not nationalization in the traditional sense of the term ­ bringing credit creation and other basic financial functions back into the public domain. It is the opposite. It prints new government bonds to turn over ­ along with self-regulatory power ­ to the financial sector, blocking the citizenry from taking back these functions.

Framing the issue as a choice between democracy and oligarchy turns the question into one of who will control the government doing the regulation and "nationalizing." If it is done by a government whose central bank and major congressional committees dealing with finance are run by Wall Street, this will not help steer credit into productive uses. It will merely continue the Greenspan-Paulson-Geithner era of more and larger free lunches for their financial constituencies.

The financial oligarchy's idea of "regulation" is to make sure that deregulators are installed in the key positions and given only a minimal skeleton staff and little funding. Despite Mr. Greenspan's announcement that he has come to see the light and realizes that self-regulation doesn't work, the Treasury is still run by a Wall Street official and the Fed is run by a lobbyist for Wall Street. To lobbyists the real concern isn't ideology as such ­ it's naked self-interest for their clients. They may seek out well-meaning fools, especially prestigious figures from academia. But these are only front men, headed as they are by the followers of Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago. Such individuals are put in place as "gate-keepers" of the major academic journals to keep out ideas that do not well serve the financial lobbyists.

This pretence for excluding government from meaningful regulation is that finance is so technical that only someone from the financial "industry" is capable of regulating it. To add insult to injury, the additional counter-intuitive claim is made that a hallmark of democracy is to make the central bank "independent" of elected government. In reality, of course, that is just the opposite of democracy. Finance is the crux of the economic system. If it is not regulated democratically in the public interest, then it is "free" to be captured by special interests. So this becomes the oligarchic definition of "market freedom."

The danger is that governments will let the financial sector determine how "regulation" will be applied. Special interests seek to make money from the economy, and the financial sector does this in an extractive way. That is its marketing plan. Finance today is acting in a way that de-industrializes economies, not builds them up. The "plan" is austerity for labor, industry and all sectors outside of finance, as in the IMF programs imposed on hapless Third World debtor countries. The experience of Iceland, Latvia and other "financialized" economies should be examined as object lessons, if only because they top the World Bank's ranking of countries in terms of the "ease of doing business."

The only meaningful regulation can come from outside the financial sector. Otherwise, countries will suffer what the Japanese call "descent from heaven": regulators are selected from the ranks of bankers and their "useful idiots." Upon retiring from government they return to the financial sector to receive lucrative jobs, "speaking engagements" and kindred paybacks. Knowing this, they regulate in favor of financial special interests, not that of the public at large.

The problem of speculative capital movements goes beyond drawing up a set of specific regulations. It concerns the scope of national government power. The International Monetary Fund's Articles of Agreement prevent countries from restoring the "dual exchange rate" systems that many retained down through the 1950s and even into the Œ60s. It was widespread practice for countries to have one exchange rate for goods and services (sometimes various exchange rates for different import and export categories) and another for "capital movements." Under American pressure, the IMF enforced the pretence that there is an "equilibrium" rate that just happens to be the same for goods and services as it is for capital movements. Governments that did not buy into this ideology were excluded from membership in the IMF and World Bank ­ or were overthrown.

The implication today is that the only way a nation can block capital movements is to withdraw from the IMF, the World Bank and the World Trade Organization (WTO). For the first time since the 1950s this looks like a real possibility, thanks to worldwide awareness of how the U.S. economy is glutting the global economy with surplus "paper" dollars ­ and U.S. intransigence at stopping its free ride. From the U.S. vantage point, this is nothing less than an attempt to curtail its international military program.

Michael Hudson is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Michael Hudson
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Post by ygmir » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:09 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:
jkisha wrote: would you qualify that?
Say,
would you be ok with probably over half your income taken, to re-distribute to Ecuadorian farmers?........
Re-distribute to put the world on equal terms? or, just the U.S.?

Might be only one third if it's U.S. only........

And, if people really want, "wealth redistribution", why not do it on your own? Why not give a very large portion of their incomes to the poor?

I say that mostly regarding the "hollywood elite" and other super rich people that sit on tv and complain about the poor.........

they want a large portion of my money, but, as a percentage, give almost nothing themselves........

Dang, sorry JK......I guess that pushed a button.......
:) OK, I knew this post would push someone's button! Here is my thinking on this. First,

I think we can agree that there will always be rich people and always be poor people and always be those in the middle.

I hope we can agree that poor people are usually poor because of their mental capabilities--sometimes because of circumstance, but I think history has proved that even those in unfavorable circumstances can pull themselves up if they have the mental capacity.

I hape we can also agree that rich people are usually rich because they have the mental capacity to make money. (yes some have inherited wealth and some have the mental capacity but lack drive, but there are always this sort of exception.

Then there are those of us in the middle--that work are asses off trying to compete and make as much money as we can, but no matter how hard we work we can never really have quite enough money to live a truly comfortable life. I don't want to argue on this figure--for some this could be as little as $30,000.00 and others maybe a million.

But what is the point when you have too much money? Who needs a Billioni dollars to be 'comfortable'? or even muti-millions?

Many well-known names that fall into this category are quite generous with their philanthropy. Most are just greedy and want more and more, no matter the consequence or whether they need it for even the most elaborate of creature comforts.

So...the poor either need to be taken care of by the rich or they need to be eliminated via selective breeding or forced birth control or some other totally unacceptable method that is against the current societal norms.

Like it or not, I think the government is in the best position to reach a balance here-- and how people are taxed is the best way to do it.

Is $250,000.00 the cut-off point of middle-class to rich? Personally, I don't think so, $250,000.00 doesn't buy as much as it used to! But to a person that earns $15,000.00, a person earning oer $250,000.00 is very rich.

And yes, littleflower, it is a complicated balancing act.

JK

well, yes, to me 250K is pretty well off...........I'm nowhere near that.......

I think what I dislike about the "redistribution" idea, is, some arbitrary decision, made by some pencil neck in Washington, who's probably never lived in the "real world" (whatever you deem that to be).

Social architects, thinking that just given enough "help" all the poor will suddenly vanish.........

I agree with most of what you said above, and well said it is.

I'm just more of a "live and die, by my own hand" kind of person.........
simple needs, wants, and desires.........
Some would look at my income and wonder how I eat........
I feel quite comfortable in my lifestyle.......I'm just not sure I feel qualified, or have the right, to tell someone else what they should or shouldn't have............in principal anyway........

Sure, I'd like to see the Rockefellers, Kennedey's, etc. have to go get jobs and cook for themselves.....but, that's just personal.......not a social statement.......

But, JK, if you're ever hungry or cold, call me, I'll be there.........
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Post by cowboyangel » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:10 pm

I think I just coined this, so I want to take credit for it:



Obama: Bush With A Brain
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