Guns, Love Em or Leave Em

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:15 pm

And then you forgot to mention the 14 killed in Binghamton NY--both of his guns were legal and registered.

There are lots of crazy people and any stresser can set them off. Can't go jumping to conclusions or take extreme positionis based on the wacko's in the world.

This certainly isn't the first time these sort of things have happened and it won't be the last.

This has nothing to do with Obama or his policies. Now stop it with all this reactionary fear mongering.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:39 pm

seems it used to be ok to blame whatever president is or was in office for everything that goes or went wrong.........why stop now?............

That has always been "life at the top", getting blamed for whatever happens, "on your watch"............

carry on............

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:44 pm

ygmir wrote:seems it used to be ok to blame whatever president is or was in office for everything that goes or went wrong.........why stop now?............

That has always been "life at the top", getting blamed for whatever happens, "on your watch"............

carry on............

LOL. So I should blame Obama for my hang-nail? I wouldn't even blame Bush for some idiot that decides to shoot up a college campus or blow up an abortion clinic. I would only blame the president if he condoned such behavior.

Now if it were a terrorist attack...

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 2:56 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:seems it used to be ok to blame whatever president is or was in office for everything that goes or went wrong.........why stop now?............

That has always been "life at the top", getting blamed for whatever happens, "on your watch"............

carry on............
LOL. So I should blame Obama for my hang-nail? I wouldn't even blame Bush for some idiot that decides to shoot up a college campus or blow up an abortion clinic. I would only blame the president if he condoned such behavior.

Now if it were a terrorist attack...

JK

JK: not referring to you specifically, I know you to be a pretty fair, somewhat left, thinking person.......

.......surely, I've seen, over the years, every president, blamed for anything that happened on "their watch".............

I guess I was just sayin........why stop now?............

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:31 pm

The tensions are not Obamas fault, but some of the solutions are his responsibility. Escalating military spending, troop levels and engagements in Afghanistan and not initiating deep financial reform in this country are his responsibilities.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:58 pm

cowboyangel wrote:The tensions are not Obamas fault, but some of the solutions are his responsibility. Escalating military spending, troop levels and engagements in Afghanistan and not initiating deep financial reform in this country are his responsibilities.

OK, here's my take on this. We all had to put up with GWB for the last eight years and look what it got us. Now all the republicans and other ledt-wing nut jobs suddenly have all the right answers to fix things.

Well, it's now Obama's turn, so shut up, let him do his thing, (after all, he did win the election) and if he doesn't do what he promised in four years, vote him out of office.

As the saying goes--Lead, follow or get out of the way. The republicans had their chance for eight years to do their leading, so it's time for them to shut the fuck up and start following--or get the hell out of the way and let the man do his job!

(Just my not so humble opinion.)

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:54 pm

jkisha wrote:
cowboyangel wrote:The tensions are not Obamas fault, but some of the solutions are his responsibility. Escalating military spending, troop levels and engagements in Afghanistan and not initiating deep financial reform in this country are his responsibilities.
OK, here's my take on this. We all had to put up with GWB for the last eight years and look what it got us. Now all the republicans and other ledt-wing nut jobs suddenly have all the right answers to fix things.

Well, it's now Obama's turn, so shut up, let him do his thing, (after all, he did win the election) and if he doesn't do what he promised in four years, vote him out of office.

As the saying goes--Lead, follow or get out of the way. The republicans had their chance for eight years to do their leading, so it's time for them to shut the fuck up and start following--or get the hell out of the way and let the man do his job!

(Just my not so humble opinion.)

JK

giggling at the irony..........

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:18 pm

As much as a president can be good or bad, the problems of the country or the worlds aren't their fault. They're just an easy target for blame.

There are three branches of the US government and the executive branch is actually probably the weakest of the three -- with the exception of Executive Orders the other two can override the President -- if we really must blame someone then it should be congress or the supreme court. I may have voted for the president -- I got no direct vote for the members of the supreme court, only got 2/535th vote for congress.

So whose fault is it? Probably really the blame lies with the British -- if they hadn't lost the revolutionary war it'd all be QEII's fault.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:49 pm

jkisha, I've covered this ground with you before. I am not going to sit and wait for Obama to do the right thing. The problems demand big changes, bigger than Barak is so far willing or able to enact. If you wanna sit on your haunches and watch, go for it bro.

**burn** · Post by **burn** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:18 pm

jkisha wrote:Well, it's now Obama's turn, so shut up ...
The republicans had their chance ... so it's time for them to shut the fuck up and start following ...

Interesting confession on the status of our first amendment.

I am neither republican or democrat, I am an American.
I'll be damned if I will shut the hell up and start "following" anyone.

I know for a fact you weren't a silent little lamb during GWB's terms. Bah!

________
Risky

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:44 pm

**burn** wrote:
I know for a fact you weren't a silent little lamb during GWB's terms. Bah!

________
Risky

LOL How can you say that!!!

JK

**burn** · Post by **burn** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:37 pm

hmm, if anyone is buying the innocent look on jkisha,
I have a playa penthouse with an oceanside view for rent.

________________
Risky

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:47 pm

of all the looks JK can produce, and well, "innocent" may be one not believed by at least 50,000 other people......

now, mind you, I'd beleive it, but, the other 50K........well.........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:18 pm

This is a poll from USA today. It's not a bad idea to let your views be clearly known.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquest ... up5895.htm

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:59 pm

Just got back from the range a few minutes ago. Look like that poll is a wee bit old - November of 2007 but I voted anyway.

EspressoDude · Post by **EspressoDude** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:49 pm

anyone know of place to rent/shoot 50 cal M.G. in Vegas?

two places advertising got little stuff....where's the bigguns?

geospyder · Post by **geospyder** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:09 pm

EspressoDude wrote:anyone know of place to rent/shoot 50 cal M.G. in Vegas?

two places advertising got little stuff....where's the bigguns?

I'm from Northern Nevada so I have no idea about this place but they advertise machine guns. Probably mostly the small stuff as you say. http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/ We have a place up north called the http://www.mustangrange.org/

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:55 am

It seems that GOV just doesn't trust anyone;
http://www.rense.com/general85/morf.htm

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:16 am

considering how, now, our government is depicting military and returning vets as "threats"................

they probably know, if called to "repress the populous", many individuals will resist that order.........

I go back to two ruled of tyranny:

one: Don't piss off the peasants

two: if you're going to piss them off, dis-arm them first

"The natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life; second to liberty; third to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can." - Samuel Adams

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:23 pm

Interesting;
http://www.rense.com/general85/mont.htm

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon May 04, 2009 9:55 pm

yeah, it'll be quite interesting to see how the feds react.........I'd sure like to see the states rights given back...........the autonomy we were originally inteded to have...........

I don't see it anytime soon, though.........

**burn** · Post by **burn** » Mon May 04, 2009 10:21 pm

can't sit still wrote:Interesting;
http://www.rense.com/general85/mont.htm

Finally a statesman emerges.
I am ready to move to Montana and start a manufacturing plant.

Box Burner · Post by **Box Burner** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:27 am

Looks Like Utah is considering a similar law but has nothing ready yet.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Tue May 05, 2009 6:30 am

I would consider re-locating if they can pull this off.........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:05 am

More shit;
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/05/ ... un-owners/
who knows?
From Iowa;
"Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer."
"â€œOnce credible intelligence has been gathered,â€

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:33 am

can't sit still wrote:More shit;
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/05/ ... un-owners/

So how did it go since April has come and gone?

didn't happen did it?

Someone's pulling your prick

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:41 am

for me, the frustrating part is, that, most people in this country have already chosen sides on the gun control debate..........if they care at all........

and, IMHO, the ones who are in favor, support these sort of programs, because, they think it'll keep them "safe" from all those terrible "militias"........
they don't feel the need to be protected from "run of the mill" criminals, because, as long as they roll over and co-operate with their demands, they won't get hurt.....and, if we'd just "care" more, there wouldn't be so many criminals, anyway..........
More social programs and "love" will make the world a safer place.......

and, of course, if something is illegal, the "criminals" will line up with the rest of us to turn in guns.......

And, IMHO, most of them feel, since the "messiah" is in power, anything the government does is in their best interest, to make things "fair" and "safe", and, the gov. is their "friend".
I think what's lost on many folks, is, once the gov. gets powers, they don't give them up.
Whether you agree or not with a particular administration, realize the new "powers" granted them, will also be available to the next, and so on, and, so on........and, some later administrations may not be nearly so "benevolent", and, have only your best interest at heart.........

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:51 am

Zeus, I can't definitively say that the info on american gun owners has or has not been transmitted to other countries. I have read that Obama wants to lock the US into an international treaty on small arms that would eventually result in confiscation of most arms. I can't find the source right now.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:25 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
can't sit still wrote:More shit;
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/05/ ... un-owners/
So how did it go since April has come and gone?

didn't happen did it?

Someone's pulling your prick

AZ:
would it be safe to say, your vision of utopia would be a completely dis-armed communist society?
Maybe the option to 'rent' a gun if you want to hunt or target practice?

I don't ask this as an attack, just, for me, a clarification.

I note in most of your political posts, a definate attitude against "old values, institutions, etc".

I'd guess, then, that your ideal would be, where we're all "protected and served" by the government?

Sort of a "womb to the tomb" government involvement in our lives?

Just wonderin'......

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed May 06, 2009 9:07 am

ygmir wrote: AZ:
would it be safe to say, your vision of utopia would be a completely dis-armed society... ?

No not society, just you! Only kidding of course unless its machine guns. No one needs them but if one has one then everyone should have them and carry them all the time in case one nuts starts spraying them in the mall or at a baseball game.

Doesn't that sound stupit? Sure it does. I bet I own more guns than you?

ygmir wrote:I note in most of your political posts, a definate attitude against "old values, institutions, etc".

Old Values? Institutions?

Please be more specific!

Evolve or Die!

AIIZ