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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:28 pm

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jkisha wrote:All you nay sayers will be chocking on your words in a couple years.

JK
choke on this jkisha....

The Looming Collapse of the American Empire by Chris Hedges
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by Chris Hedges
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February 17, 2009

Transcript of Chris Hedges’ presentation at the University of Missouri, Columbia, February 17, 2009. University Lecture sponsored by College of Arts and Science, Peace Studies Program, and Center on Religion and the Professions.

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The daily bleeding of thousands of jobs will soon turn our economic crisis into a political crisis. The street protests, strikes and riots that have rattled France, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bulgaria and Iceland will descend on us. It is only a matter of time. And not much time. When things start to go sour, when Barack Obama is exposed as a mortal waving a sword at a tidal wave, the United States could plunge into a long period of precarious social instability.

At no period in American history has our democracy been in such peril or has the possibility of totalitarianism been as real. Our way of life is over. Our profligate consumption is finished. Our empire is imploding. Our children will never have the standard of living we had. And poverty and despair will sweep across the landscape like a plague. This is the bleak future. There is nothing President Obama can do to stop it. It has been decades in the making. It cannot be undone with a trillion or two trillion dollars in bailout money. Our empire is dying. Our economy has collapsed.

Take a look at the grim statistics. The United Nations’ International Labor Organization estimates that some 50 million workers will lose their jobs worldwide this year. The collapse has already seen 3.6 million lost jobs in the United States. The International Monetary Fund’s prediction for global economic growth in 2009 is 0.5 percent-the worst since World War II. There are 2.3 million properties in the United States that received a default notice or were repossessed last year. And this number is set to rise in 2009, especially as vacant commercial real estate begins to be foreclosed. About 20,000 major global banks collapsed, were sold or were nationalized in 2008. There are an estimated 62,000 U.S. companies expected to shut down this year. Unemployment, when you add people no longer looking for jobs and part-time workers who cannot find full-time employment, is close to 14 percent.

And we have few tools left to dig our way out. The manufacturing sector in the United States has been destroyed by globalization. Consumers, thanks to credit card companies, shady mortgage brokers and easy lines of credit, are $14 trillion in debt. Banks, which have negative equities, are charging 23 to 30 percent on credit cards to try and recoup the loss made gambling on subprime bonds. The government has pledged trillions toward the crisis, most of it borrowed or printed in the form of new money. It is borrowing trillions more to fund our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. And no one states the obvious: We will never be able to pay these loans back. We are supposed to somehow spend our way out of the crisis and maintain our imperial project on credit. Let our kids worry about it. There is no coherent and realistic plan, one built around the recognition of our severe limitations, to stanch the bleeding or ameliorate the mounting deprivations we will suffer as citizens. I am all in favor of a stimulus plan, but not a giveaway to zombie banks, to the creditors, without a dime for actual debt reduction. The hope that half a percentage point, $ 50 billion, might be used to write down troubled mortgage debtors was quashed by this current plan. As Michael Hudson, a professor at The University of Missouri, in Kansas City and a former Wall Street economist has correctly pointed out, what we have done is give $ 12 trillion to the richest one percent - or ten percent of the population - and indebted the economy and the government to this oligarchic class for the next 100 years. We need to refinance mortgages directly so that aid goes to homeowners. The banks and bondholders who made massive profits on these con schemes should take the hit, not the elderly couple down the street. This is what Roosevelt did in the 1930s with the Home Owners Loan Corporation. The stimulus plan is far too small to staunch the bleeding. State and Local governments will face revenue declines of $ 400 to $ 500 billion over the next two years — yet the money for the states in the stimulus package is about $ 140 billion. Why have we handed $ 135 billion to AIG, which has been raided in Britain by police because of allegations of financial fraud? We are paying out taxpayer dollars to mafia capitalists rather than the victims. It is insane. It is regressive politics. It is the opposite of New deal economics. And it will not work. The taxpayer dollars spent on high speed rail, on clean energy, on infrastructure repair, on food stamps, unemployment compensation and public health are helpful, but pitifully small given the magnitude of what we face.

How will we cope with our decline? Will we cling to the absurd dreams of a superpower and a glorious tomorrow or will we responsibly face our stark reality? Will we heed those who are sober and rational, those who speak of a new simplicity and humility, or will we follow the demagogues and charlatans who rise up out of the slime in moments of crisis to offer fantastic visions? Will we radically transform our system to one that protects the ordinary citizen and fosters the common good, that defies the corporate state and that dismantles our imperial wars and projects, or will we employ the brutality and technology of our internal security and surveillance apparatus to crush all dissent? We won’t have to wait long to find out.

We have a remarkable ability to create our own monsters. A few decades of meddling in the Middle East with our Israeli doppelgänger and we get Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaida, the Iraqi resistance movement and a resurgent Taliban. Now we trash the world economy and destroy the ecosystem and sit back to watch our handiwork. Hints of our brave new world seeped out last Thursday when Washington’s new director of national intelligence, retired Adm. Dennis Blair, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee. He warned that the deepening economic crisis posed perhaps our gravest threat to stability and national security. It could trigger, he said, a return to the “violent extremismâ€

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:32 pm

sure I can summarize it for you, here goes...

Obama just officially changed his name to President JPMorganChaseCitibankBofAGoldmanSachFeedtheRichWhore.

Did that do it for you?
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Post by littleflower » Wed Apr 15, 2009 7:37 pm

Obama and his wife Michelle jointly filed a 2008 federal income tax return reporting an adjusted gross income of $2,656,902 and paying $855,323 in federal income tax and $77,883 in state income taxes, according to tax information released by the White House.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:11 pm

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Obama and his wife Michelle jointly filed a 2008 federal income tax return reporting an adjusted gross income of $2,656,902 and paying $855,323 in federal income tax and $77,883 in state income taxes, according to tax information released by the White House.
And that is to say what? With his new tax plan, next year he and his family will pay even more than he did this year. Which by the way is $933,206.00, which was over 35% of their total earnings.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:14 pm

cowboyangel wrote:sure I can summarize it for you, here goes...

Obama just officially changed his name to President JPMorganChaseCitibankBofAGoldmanSachFeedtheRichWhore.

Did that do it for you?
LOL you're funny. Were you out tea bagging today? BTW how does it feel to be in the minority? According to the latest poll, 70% of the AMERICAN PEOPLE believe that Obama is doing a good job handling the economic crisis.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:17 pm

I heard Barack O'Bama is really Irish and he decided to drop the apostrophe from his name when he decided to run for public office. He thought it was too ethnic.

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:25 pm

P.T Barnum said it best, "you fool."..you know the rest. It'll catch up to him.
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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:35 pm

cowboyangel wrote:P.T Barnum said it best, "you fool."..you know the rest. It'll catch up to him.
Yup, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time; but you can't fool mom. :)

The only fools this time around are the republicans.

We'll wait and see. If I'm right, you can by drinks. If you're right, they are on you--I won't be able to afford them anymore. :)

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Post by can't sit still » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:56 pm

You hear that cowboy?? Dump the minority and join the delusional!!! A $ 15 trillion wipeout is only a dip. The turnaround will fire up the market in just a few months. The White House says so. 30,000 lost jobs every day won't affect the economy. Foreclosures are up 44% over the previous record in Feb; http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en Just a temporary glitch. T bonds have gone negative. SO WHAT. Jump on the Goldilocks populist bandwagon. Pick up some industrials while they're cheap. No matter that there is no demand for the products of overpriced American labor. After all, the herd must be right.
The Austrian School predicted all of this in detail,,,, musta just been a fluke. After all, 3 million economists and stockbrokers can't all be wrong.

I'm sure that the 70% of Americans who have faith in Obama must have a very keen understanding of the long term effects of quantitative easing and re capitalizing of defunct financial institutions.
We certainly can't blame the bankers for this mess. They should be rescued and allowed to work their magic for the rest of us;
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... sters.html
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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:59 pm

can't sit still wrote:You hear that cowboy?? Dump the minority and join the delusional!!! A $ 15 trillion wipeout is only a dip. The turnaround will fire up the market in just a few months. The White House says so. 30,000 lost jobs every day won't affect the economy. Foreclosures are up 44% over the previous record in Feb; http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en Just a temporary glitch. T bonds have gone negative. SO WHAT. Jump on the Goldilocks populist bandwagon. Pick up some industrials while they're cheap. No matter that there is no demand for the products of overpriced American labor. After all, the herd must be right.
The Austrian School predicted all of this in detail,,,, musta just been a fluke. After all, 3 million economists and stockbrokers can't all be wrong.

I'm sure that the 70% of Americans who have faith in Obama must have a very keen understanding of the long term effects of quantitative easing and re capitalizing of defunct financial institutions.
We certainly can't blame the bankers for this mess. They should be rescued and allowed to work their magic for the rest of us;
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... sters.html
Have faith 8)
The other 30% were the republicans that got us into this mess in the first place. I'll remain happily delusional, thank you.

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Post by **burn** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:05 pm

jkisha - why do you so vehemently hate ALL republicans?
What have they ALL done?

(You know, if you replaced 'republicans' with black, gay, handicapped or female, it would be considered unfairly prejudiced.)

I don't understand the anger. Please explain.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:08 pm

**burn** wrote:jkisha - why do you so vehemently hate ALL republicans?
What have they ALL done?

(You know, if you replaced 'republicans' with black, gay, handicapped or female, it would be considered unfairly prejudiced.)

I don't understand the anger. Please explain.

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I have been known to be unfairly prejudiced. I think explaining my feelings towards the republicans would be akin to explaining why there is not god to a religious person.

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(and to add to the enigma, I held public office as a republican years ago.)
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Post by **burn** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:12 pm

ah, or like getting gun nuts to lay down their arms?

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:15 pm

**burn** wrote:ah, or like getting gun nuts to lay down their arms?

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Ya, that would work too. But though I do have some concerns about guns in today's world, I don't think that they should be illegal to own--and I don't think Obama will try and remove that right.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:14 am

cowboyangel wrote:sure I can summarize it for you, here goes...

Obama just officially changed his name to President JPMorganChaseCitibankBofAGoldmanSachFeedtheRichWhore.

Did that do it for you?
yep

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Post by cowboyangel » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:38 pm

Thanks Zeus. William Blake said it best..."some are born to sweet delight, some are born to the endless night"....
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Post by oneeyeddick » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:59 pm

**burn** wrote:ah, or like getting gun nuts to lay down their arms?

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I think it would be hard enough to get them to take thier guns out of thier pants. :wink:
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Post by Toolmaker » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:28 am

Democrat, Republican.. I could care less.

All I care about is the ability to work honestly and support my family.

The NWO is taking away my ability to take care of myself.

I refuse to roll over and die for Bush, Obama, JPMorgan, etc etc.

I'm sure many others in this country will do whatever is necessary to feed themselves.

I'm already down to half of what I used to make so I don't understand how getting paid 9 bucks an hour is considered being an overpaid machinist/toolmaker/cnc programmer/welder with 20 years exp.

I've been playing with metal since I was 13, and I'm damn good at it. Unfortunately its all I know so when my place closes (and it IS closing) and I can't find any honest work what does Obama expect me to do? If I wind up on the streets on my ass for not having rent what am I to do?

I'll probably just lose it and go nuts like everyone else is doing.
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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:19 am

Right Toolmaker. The recent announcement that JP Morgan Chase had great profits rings hollow, doesn't it? Will we the tax payers who bailed out that shit bag bank ever see any of that? The stimulus hasn't helped me so far and I've got 30 years experience in my trade and have worked for the likes of Senator Feinstein, Paul Fisher (GAP), Nicholas Cage, bla bla bla....work has shriveled up for me and many of my fellow tradesmen....all of us in the top tiers of our professions.

People will soon realize that the bailouts only helped the wealthy class who made the risky derivative trades that catalyzed the financial collapse.

Obama is a sham. Time will reveal that.
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Post by Toolmaker » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:14 am

Poor lil kids dreams shattered when trying to perform in school talent show.

This could possibly be an anti-gay thing since his adopted dads were known by the school.

Be sure to email the school and let em know what you think.

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:28 am

jkisha wrote:
can't sit still wrote:You hear that cowboy?? Dump the minority and join the delusional!!! A $ 15 trillion wipeout is only a dip. The turnaround will fire up the market in just a few months. The White House says so. 30,000 lost jobs every day won't affect the economy. Foreclosures are up 44% over the previous record in Feb; http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site ... ewsLang=en Just a temporary glitch. T bonds have gone negative. SO WHAT. Jump on the Goldilocks populist bandwagon. Pick up some industrials while they're cheap. No matter that there is no demand for the products of overpriced American labor. After all, the herd must be right.
The Austrian School predicted all of this in detail,,,, musta just been a fluke. After all, 3 million economists and stockbrokers can't all be wrong.

I'm sure that the 70% of Americans who have faith in Obama must have a very keen understanding of the long term effects of quantitative easing and re capitalizing of defunct financial institutions.
We certainly can't blame the bankers for this mess. They should be rescued and allowed to work their magic for the rest of us;
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot. ... sters.html
Have faith 8)
The other 30% were the republicans that got us into this mess in the first place. I'll remain happily delusional, thank you.

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Don't spend that wooden nickle too fast... The democrats are on the other side of it.
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:28 am

Box Burner wrote:
Don't spend that wooden nickle too fast... The democrats are on the other side of it.
I'm not that delusional. I don't recall ever saying the democrats were perfect either. All I'm saying is that it is their turn; give them a chance.

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Post by littleflower » Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:38 am

jkisha wrote: I don't recall ever saying the democrats were perfect either. All I'm saying is that it is their turn; give them a chance.

JK
seems to me we do not have a choice ... the democrats won the election. now they get their chance, and nothing anyone posts here is likely to change that.

what you are really asking, JK, is for us to shut up.

i don't agree with most of what is posted around here, but i enjoy reading stuff, hearing different voices, different ideas. you'll never get everyone to agree on the good or bad of *any* presidency... so let the voices be heard! if you disagree with a political point, argue that point .... but "just give obama a chance" is not a thoughtful argument, it's sheep stuff...

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Post by ygmir » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:16 am

littleflower wrote:
jkisha wrote: I don't recall ever saying the democrats were perfect either. All I'm saying is that it is their turn; give them a chance.

JK
seems to me we do not have a choice ... the democrats won the election. now they get their chance, and nothing anyone posts here is likely to change that.

what you are really asking, JK, is for us to shut up.

i don't agree with most of what is posted around here, but i enjoy reading stuff, hearing different voices, different ideas. you'll never get everyone to agree on the good or bad of *any* presidency... so let the voices be heard! if you disagree with a political point, argue that point .... but "just give obama a chance" is not a thoughtful argument, it's sheep stuff...
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Post by Box Burner » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:48 am

jkisha wrote:
Box Burner wrote:
Don't spend that wooden nickle too fast... The democrats are on the other side of it.
I'm not that delusional. I don't recall ever saying the democrats were perfect either. All I'm saying is that it is their turn; give them a chance.

JK
They have had their chance. Repeatedly. As have the republicans. Repeatedly. If either one of them were going fix it we would not be in this mess. I saw predictions of this over 30 years ago. This is not the first time there has been a financial crisis. And they have fixed it the same way every time. All the while pointing at the celebrity circus on the other end of the stage. But the problem is bigger than the stage this time. the stage is collapsing and the patrons are starting to take notice and clamor. The stage manager is anxiously trying to confiscate the rotten eggs and tomatoes and gag the patrons so they can't yell fire and try to leave. They need us to prop up their stage so they can keep on doing the magic of picking our pockets. They Have already sealed the doors (thank you Mr. Lincoln) and hired the thugs to keep us in the theater(hooray for homeland security).

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Post by **burn** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:01 am

The Emperor has no clothes!

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Post by Box Burner » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:19 am

Yes we must.

I am off to see my kids.

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Post by Monkeypoo » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:11 pm

*Monkeypoo comes running in the room wearing a red, white and blue cheerleading outfit,
pompoms a-flying, arms stretched out, a small herd of orangutans following her
with pompoms a-shaking*


WE LOVE OBAMA!!! YAAAAAY OBAMA!!!!!
WOOHOO, OBAMA!!!! GOOOOOOO, OBAMA!!!! YAY!!!!!


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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:39 pm

do you agree with Obama Letting the purpertrators of Crimes Against Humanity to go free after they used torturing?

Should the person that tortured a person over a 100 times using waterboarding be allowed to go. or the soldier in the Nazi Camp that continued his medical dismemberment because he was told to do so?

I don't!

I don't care how or who orders me. I would just refuse, even if it meant I would be shot. But, I might just frag my superiors first. If I got the chances.

Of course, all persons that wrote and justified the legality, but what stupid lying bastard would when they knew that we tried Japan for doing the same thing such as Waterboarding.

yes, the psychologists, lawyers and superior officiers along with those in the administration should be put on trial- but they should be just for lying about the Iraq WMD scare. People that could do this are the pyschopaths that one finds heading many of our so called departments of enforcement and are part of many of the secret groups acting in our government.

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Post by cowboyangel » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:48 pm

WASHINGTON – Calling on Americans to volunteer, President Barack Obama signed a $5.7 billion national service bill Tuesday that triples the size of the AmeriCorps service program over the next eight years and expands ways for students to earn money for college. "What this legislation does, then, is to help harness this patriotism and connect deeds to needs," said Obama, a former community organizer in Chicago.

"It creates opportunities to serve for students, seniors and everyone in between," he said. "And it is just the beginning of a sustained, collaborative and focused effort to involve our greatest resource — our citizens — in the work of remaking this nation."

Joining Obama was Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, who has been battling brain cancer. Kennedy championed the legislation with Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and the bill was named in honor of the Massachusetts Democrat.

Kennedy told the audience that included former President Bill Clinton, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former first lady Rosalyn Carter that Obama's efforts echoed those of his late brother, President John F. Kennedy.

"Today, another young president has challenged another generation to give back to their nation," Kennedy said, citing his brother's advocacy for the Peace Corps.

The service law expands ways for students and seniors to earn money for college through their volunteer work. It aims to foster and fulfill people's desire to make a difference, such as by mentoring children, cleaning up parks or buildings and weatherizing homes for the poor.

"I'm asking you to help change history's course, put your shoulder up against the wheel," Obama said. "And if you do, I promise you your life will be richer, our country will be stronger, and someday, years from now, you may remember it as the moment when your own story and the American story converged, when they came together, and we met the challenges of our new century."

Bolstering voluntary public service programs has been a priority of Obama, who credits his work as a community organizer in his early 20s for giving him direction in life. The president cited his work in Chicago as an example of how one person can make a difference.

"All that's required on your part is a willingness to make a difference," Obama said. "And that is, after all, the beauty of service: Anybody can do it."





Ya know this is all very nice and forward looking, but why the hell when it comes to really helping students out, or the working poor, no programs like interest free college loans or assistance is ever talked about? Or, Single Payer health insurance which would make health care much more affordable to all. Obama used to support that until JP Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs dollars found their way into his presidential spending pockets.

Why don't bank executives ever get asked to do some voluntary work at the office? Or voluntarily pass on some of their abundant millions to scholarship programs for kids?

Why Why Why the fuck why is volunteerism always aimed at those who need to be helped most, with medical help, tuition help, mortgage assistance, and many other worthy things? The problems in America have been caused by the wealthy class for Christ's sake. It is they who need to be asked to step up to the plate and do what they can "do for their country".


Fuck Obama and his slimy diversionary tactics.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believe is false."- William Casey, CIA Director 1981

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