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Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:12 pm

it's all been a horrible typo....relax....


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Post by geekster » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:52 pm

The Pink Death

Only nobody outside Mexico has died from it ... yet.

But we get a flu "pandemic" every single year. And it kills hundreds of thousands globally. Lets put the current problem in Mexico into perspective, shall we? In 2006 we had in just the Southern Sudan:
Between 28 January and 3 March 2006, the
Acute WateryDiarrhoea Task Force in Juba, led
by the Federal Ministry of Health and the
Ministry of Health of the Government of
Southern Sudan, in collaboration with WHO
and other partners,reported a total number of
5634 cases and 127 deaths (case-fatality rate,
2.25%) from acute watery diarrhoea.
Where were the headlines?

Half a million people died from measles in 2004. Do you remember the headlines? No? Probably because there weren't any. But let a hundred or two die from flu and you would think the sky is falling. Know why? Because the population has been "spring loaded" to react this way to any unusual flu virus through preparation by the major media outlets. Have you been warned of any impending global "acute watery diarrhoea" pandemic? Nope, cause it doesn't make good living room content but it kills more people than flu year in and year out. Same with measles.

WHO says:
Every year, human influenza rapidly spreads around the world in seasonal epidemics, resulting in an estimated three to five million cases of severe illness and between 250 000 and 500 000 deaths.
Anywhere from a quarter million to a half million deaths globally in a "normal" year. If the media were to report today that a half a million people were expected to die from "currently circulating influenza strains", people would be rushing to their doctors for shots. Trouble is, their sponsors like Vicks that make flu home remedies wouldn't like that very much.

Wake me up when the death toll from the pink death reaches 100,000 or so globally.
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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:07 pm

geekster wrote: Half a million people died from measles in 2004. Do you remember the headlines?
That's because the guy writing the story died from the flu and it didn't make it to press!

But now we know!

thank you, I can go back to sucking the turnstyle handles in the subway.

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Post by ygmir » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:28 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
geekster wrote: Half a million people died from measles in 2004. Do you remember the headlines?
That's because the guy writing the story died from the flu and it didn't make it to press!

But now we know!

thank you, I can go back to sucking the turnstyle handles in the subway.

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did you ever see the movie "Pink Flamingos"?...........
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Post by Da Mule » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:18 am

ygmir wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: That's because the guy writing the story died from the flu and it didn't make it to press!

But now we know!

thank you, I can go back to sucking the turnstyle handles in the subway.

Yahoo!
did you ever see the movie "Pink Flamingos"?...........
Was that the one with the scratch-and-sniff cards? Those rocked!

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Post by ygmir » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:41 am

Da Mule wrote:
ygmir wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: That's because the guy writing the story died from the flu and it didn't make it to press!

But now we know!

thank you, I can go back to sucking the turnstyle handles in the subway.

Yahoo!
did you ever see the movie "Pink Flamingos"?...........
Was that the one with the scratch-and-sniff cards? Those rocked!
I think that was "Hairspray".......Devine was in both..........
Pink Flamingos was two couple competing to be the "dirtiest couple in America"............yikes.........Iso even used a scene long ago as her sig line,,,,,,,,,,it was "crackers", a character, doing a particular maneuver...........
you can search old posts by Iso and find it, still........
Anyway, there are some pretty disturbing scenes in that movie, especially the final one .........
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Post by somekind » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:18 am

Is Obama infected with the swine flu?
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:28 am

It looks like the bug loses its potency when it separates from its porcine host by a few generations.

But all the Mexican restaurants in town are busy scrubbing every surface! It's quite a show.

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Post by Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:10 pm

Its already mutated from Swine Flu to H1N1 Flu Outbreak


it seems to be mutating the government has given it a different name so people won't associated it with pigs therefore damaging the Pork industry and corn growers.

But it does seem to have mutated genetically
just like in The Andromeda Strain.

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Post by Elderberry » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:22 pm

ygmir wrote:Anyway, there are some pretty disturbing scenes in that movie, especially the final one .........
LOL. It was cinematic genious--it was fresh and steaming!!! And then when she pushed it through her teeth....

I went and saw John Waters doing a spoken word performance at UCLA a few years back--it was a very interesting evening.

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Post by ygmir » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:49 pm

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:Anyway, there are some pretty disturbing scenes in that movie, especially the final one .........
LOL. It was cinematic genious--it was fresh and steaming!!! And then when she pushed it through her teeth....

I went and saw John Waters doing a spoken word performance at UCLA a few years back--it was a very interesting evening.

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damn you, devil spawn..............
I had been repressing that particular shot..............

that, and the pit and impregnation within...........

as well as "Crackers" special dance, and, not the one with the chicken...........

hahahaha/.............barf.............hahahahaa
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Post by dana » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:23 am

geekster wrote: This flu kills by causing a exaggerated immune response. People with the healthiest immune systems are at greatest risk. That is why it kills mostly people aged 25 to 45.

If you have had regular flu vaccinations in the past you will likely have at least partial immunity to this strain. That is one reason why the virus isn't killing as many in the US.
Geekster, you surprise me. For someone who is known to squeal loudly for cites, you're pretty lax on the facts man.

The CDC still doesn't know why this virus appears to be more virulent in Mexico.
And "kills by causing an exaggerated immune response"?
The immune system and the inflammatory cascade has a tendency to give most diseases their characteristic pathology. (Everything from coronary art dis, asthma, metabolic syndrome, Crohn's...) Its all an exaggerated immune response - parts of the immune response are helpful and parts of it aren't.
Death from influenza pnuemonia is pretty similar to death from bacterial or other viral pnuemonias. Inflamed alveolar tissue doesn't transfer oxygen too well. Anoxia, respiratoy and metabolic acidosis...... eventually an overwhelming infection and death.

[ April 28, 2009 — The nation's top medical sleuth offered a handful of theories in a press conference today about why the swine influenza outbreak has produced fatalities in Mexico, but not so far in the United States or elsewhere.

"Why are some people getting sicker?" said Richard Besser, MD, acting director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). "We're looking at their immune status, their age, their gender, and treatment practices. How did they self-treat themselves? How long did they take to seek [outside] care? What was their initial treatment? Were they quickly given an antiviral medicine?"

Dr. Besser said that milder cases of swine flu A (N1HI) virus in the United States and other countries besides Mexico may also result from a gradual weakening of the virus as it travels from person to person. "That would be a very comforting thing if we found that," he said, adding that it's early too early to reach that conclusion.

Amid all of this epidemiologic uncertainty, Dr. Besser described a swift federal response to the swine flu outbreak. "With a new infectious agent, you don't sit back and wait and hope for the best," he said.]


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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:38 am

I wonder at the level of hype surrounding the outbreak. Is it a bit overwrought? The last year stats were available at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2007, 5657 people died from industrial accidents. In 2004, suicide was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 32,439 deaths (NIMH)

It is important to report on these swine flu outbreaks, but give it the giant bold headline type it's receiving in US newspapers? And News hype? I don't know. It is a diversion from the sickening economy however.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:44 am

cowboyangel wrote:I wonder at the level of hype surrounding the outbreak. Is it a bit overwrought? The last year stats were available at the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 2007, 5657 people died from industrial accidents. In 2004, suicide was the eleventh leading cause of death in the U.S., accounting for 32,439 deaths (NIMH)

It is important to report on these swine flu outbreaks, but give it the giant bold headline type it's receiving in US newspapers? And News hype? I don't know. It is a diversion from the sickening economy however.
I think you've hit it there , C.A.
diversion and manipulation.............refocus the public, get us used to hearing these things, sensitize us to watching for any health threat.........

and, take the focus off what other things "they" don't want us to notice.......

no cynicism was spread in this message............
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Post by littleflower » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:46 am

i have come to expect hype from the mainstream press, that's how they sell papers these days. gotta read between the lines for the important stuff.

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Post by dana » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:56 am

Cowboy, its probably a mixture of hype and the history of the old influenza pandemics that could rapidly take out a huge swath of the population. So we're looking for the big avian flu epidemic, or maybe SARS, or whatever the next viral mutation/evolution produces.

But its not the same environment anymore. We have much better medical capacity to handle a big outbreak - antivirals in particular.
Some balance there between caution and paranoia. Its interesting how many people have stopped safe sex practices now that the AIDS scare isn't so prevalent.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:10 am

ygmir wrote:Iso even used a scene long ago as her sig line,,,,,,,,,,it was "crackers", a character, doing a particular maneuver...........
you can search old posts by Iso and find it, still........
If by "sig line" you mean what is posted automatically at the bottom of the post by the pph, then, no, you cannot still find it. If Iso was pasting it at the bottom of her posts, then it would still be there.
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Post by oneeyeddick » Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:53 pm

I am surprised FOX news or Rush Liebaugh haven't blamed it on Al Qaeda yet.
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Post by geospyder » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:09 pm

On the serious side - the first case of swine flu in Nevada has been confirmed. It is a young girl in Reno. No details other than that she had attended local daycare.
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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:23 pm

Sooo... Wash your hands, cover your mouth if you cough and sneeze... don't lick any pig's snouts. And drink plenty of water.
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Ugly Dougly wrote: Can I get a government grant?
Depends. Are you a democrat and did you vote for Obama?

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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:48 pm

I worry about mental poison more than swine flu...
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Post by wedeliver » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:50 pm

Here is info on the 1918 pandemic
The Influenza Pandemic of 1918

The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster.

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In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season, however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children. It infected 28% of all Americans (Tice). An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic, ten times as many as in the world war. Of the U.S. soldiers who died in Europe, half of them fell to the influenza virus and not to the enemy (Deseret News). An estimated 43,000 servicemen mobilized for WWI died of influenza (Crosby). 1918 would go down as unforgettable year of suffering and death and yet of peace. As noted in the Journal of the American Medical Association final edition of 1918:


"The 1918 has gone: a year momentous as the termination of the most cruel war in the annals of the human race; a year which marked, the end at least for a time, of man's destruction of man; unfortunately a year in which developed a most fatal infectious disease causing the death of hundreds of thousands of human beings. Medical science for four and one-half years devoted itself to putting men on the firing line and keeping them there. Now it must turn with its whole might to combating the greatest enemy of all--infectious disease," (12/28/1918).


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An Emergency Hospital for Influenza Patients

The effect of the influenza epidemic was so severe that the average life span in the US was depressed by 10 years. The influenza virus had a profound virulence, with a mortality rate at 2.5% compared to the previous influenza epidemics, which were less than 0.1%. The death rate for 15 to 34-year-olds of influenza and pneumonia were 20 times higher in 1918 than in previous years (Taubenberger). People were struck with illness on the street and died rapid deaths. One anectode shared of 1918 was of four women playing bridge together late into the night. Overnight, three of the women died from influenza (Hoagg). Others told stories of people on their way to work suddenly developing the flu and dying within hours (Henig). One physician writes that patients with seemingly ordinary influenza would rapidly "develop the most viscous type of pneumonia that has ever been seen" and later when cyanosis appeared in the patients, "it is simply a struggle for air until they suffocate," (Grist, 1979). Another physician recalls that the influenza patients "died struggling to clear their airways of a blood-tinged froth that sometimes gushed from their nose and mouth," (Starr, 1976). The physicians of the time were helpless against this powerful agent of influenza. In 1918 children would skip rope to the rhyme (Crawford):


I had a little bird,
Its name was Enza.
I opened the window,
And in-flu-enza.

The influenza pandemic circled the globe. Most of humanity felt the effects of this strain of the influenza virus. It spread following the path of its human carriers, along trade routes and shipping lines. Outbreaks swept through North America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Brazil and the South Pacific (Taubenberger). In India the mortality rate was extremely high at around 50 deaths from influenza per 1,000 people (Brown). The Great War, with its mass movements of men in armies and aboard ships, probably aided in its rapid diffusion and attack. The origins of the deadly flu disease were unknown but widely speculated upon. Some of the allies thought of the epidemic as a biological warfare tool of the Germans. Many thought it was a result of the trench warfare, the use of mustard gases and the generated "smoke and fumes" of the war. A national campaign began using the ready rhetoric of war to fight the new enemy of microscopic proportions. A study attempted to reason why the disease had been so devastating in certain localized regions, looking at the climate, the weather and the racial composition of cities. They found humidity to be linked with more severe epidemics as it "fosters the dissemination of the bacteria," (Committee on Atmosphere and Man, 1923). Meanwhile the new sciences of the infectious agents and immunology were racing to come up with a vaccine or therapy to stop the epidemics.


The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized. The name of Spanish Flu came from the early affliction and large mortalities in Spain (BMJ,10/19/1918) where it allegedly killed 8 million in May (BMJ, 7/13/1918). However, a first wave of influenza appeared early in the spring of 1918 in Kansas and in military camps throughout the US. Few noticed the epidemic in the midst of the war. Wilson had just given his 14 point address. There was virtually no response or acknowledgment to the epidemics in March and April in the military camps. It was unfortunate that no steps were taken to prepare for the usual recrudescence of the virulent influenza strain in the winter. The lack of action was later criticized when the epidemic could not be ignored in the winter of 1918 (BMJ, 1918). These first epidemics at training camps were a sign of what was coming in greater magnitude in the fall and winter of 1918 to the entire world.

The war brought the virus back into the US for the second wave of the epidemic. It first arrived in Boston in September of 1918 through the port busy with war shipments of machinery and supplies. The war also enabled the virus to spread and diffuse. Men across the nation were mobilizing to join the military and the cause. As they came together, they brought the virus with them and to those they contacted. The virus killed almost 200,00 in October of 1918 alone. In November 11 of 1918 the end of the war enabled a resurgence. As people celebrated Armistice Day with parades and large partiess, a complete disaster from the public health standpoint, a rebirth of the epidemic occurred in some cities. The flu that winter was beyond imagination as millions were infected and thousands died. Just as the war had effected the course of influenza, influenza affected the war. Entire fleets were ill with the disease and men on the front were too sick to fight. The flu was devastating to both sides, killing more men than their own weapons could.



With the military patients coming home from the war with battle wounds and mustard gas burns, hospital facilities and staff were taxed to the limit. This created a shortage of physicians, especially in the civilian sector as many had been lost for service with the military. Since the medical practitioners were away with the troops, only the medical students were left to care for the sick. Third and forth year classes were closed and the students assigned jobs as interns or nurses (Starr,1976). One article noted that "depletion has been carried to such an extent that the practitioners are brought very near the breaking point," (BMJ, 11/2/1918). The shortage was further confounded by the added loss of physicians to the epidemic. In the U.S., the Red Cross had to recruit more volunteers to contribute to the new cause at home of fighting the influenza epidemic. To respond with the fullest utilization of nurses, volunteers and medical supplies, the Red Cross created a National Committee on Influenza. It was involved in both military and civilian sectors to mobilize all forces to fight Spanish influenza (Crosby, 1989). In some areas of the US, the nursing shortage was so acute that the Red Cross had to ask local businesses to allow workers to have the day off if they volunteer in the hospitals at night (Deseret News). Emergency hospitals were created to take in the patients from the US and those arriving sick from overseas.



The pandemic affected everyone. With one-quarter of the US and one-fifth of the world infected with the influenza, it was impossible to escape from the illness. Even President Woodrow Wilson suffered from the flu in early 1919 while negotiating the crucial treaty of Versailles to end the World War (Tice). Those who were lucky enough to avoid infection had to deal with the public health ordinances to restrain the spread of the disease. The public health departments distributed gauze masks to be worn in public. Stores could not hold sales, funerals were limited to 15 minutes. Some towns required a signed certificate to enter and railroads would not accept passengers without them. Those who ignored the flu ordinances had to pay steep fines enforced by extra officers (Deseret News). Bodies pilled up as the massive deaths of the epidemic ensued. Besides the lack of health care workers and medical supplies, there was a shortage of coffins, morticians and gravediggers (Knox). The conditions in 1918 were not so far removed from the Black Death in the era of the bubonic plague of the Middle Ages.

In 1918-19 this deadly influenza pandemic erupted during the final stages of World War I. Nations were already attempting to deal with the effects and costs of the war. Propaganda campaigns and war restrictions and rations had been implemented by governments. Nationalism pervaded as people accepted government authority. This allowed the public health departments to easily step in and implement their restrictive measures. The war also gave science greater importance as governments relied on scientists, now armed with the new germ theory and the development of antiseptic surgery, to design vaccines and reduce mortalities of disease and battle wounds. Their new technologies could preserve the men on the front and ultimately save the world. These conditions created by World War I, together with the current social attitudes and ideas, led to the relatively calm response of the public and application of scientific ideas. People allowed for strict measures and loss of freedom during the war as they submitted to the needs of the nation ahead of their personal needs. They had accepted the limitations placed with rationing and drafting. The responses of the public health officials reflected the new allegiance to science and the wartime society. The medical and scientific communities had developed new theories and applied them to prevention, diagnostics and treatment of the influenza patients.
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Post by cowboyangel » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:16 pm

Worse than the swine flu is the swine ripoffluenza being conducted right under our noses by the Federal Reserve (A private corporation composed of insolvent giants like Citibank, JP Morgan Chase, BofA, others) Big Bankers and their embedded ghouls in Treasury and the White House. This kind of flu will enslave with endless indebtedness the mass of working America for generations. How convenient to have a "flu" appear when the more odious deeds are going on underneath the public radar.

Fuck the flu, fuck the bankers, fuck the fed and fuck the media machine that propagates the marketplace of bogus bogeymen to divert the punlic's attention.
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Post by can't sit still » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:34 pm

There is some speculation that the flu story is used to crowd out the story of the "carbon, Cap and trade" debate.
Geekster, are you certain that the current swine flu causes the same cytokine cascade as the 1918 flu? I try to keep up on some of this stuff;
http://www.recombinomics.com/
I hadn't heard a definitive confirmation yet.
The research done by Dr. Mumcuoglu has proven that sambuco nigra is the most effective preventative for flu. The research was originally done for avian flu but, the black elderberry is effective against the whole family;
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In the study, Dr Mumcuoglu injected the virus. It resulted in 100 % fatality of the unprotected and 100 % survival of the protected.
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Post by ygmir » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:44 pm

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Post by dana » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:36 pm

We Deliver-
The origins of this influenza variant is not precisely known. It is thought to have originated in China in a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. The recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone and a loss of herd immunity.
That's the whole basis for the current hysteria. Any time there is a significant antigenic shift which produces a truly unique virus, there is the potential for "the big one" - kind of like the hundred year floods we're always looking for in Colorado. Antigenic shift happens when there is coinfection and combination of 2 different strains of virus (like swine and human). Swine flu and bird flu is generally confined to those animals and when there's a cross-over it has the potential to be much more virulent.
But the current swine flu is one of the generally less virulent varieties of swine H1N1.

By the way, previous influenza vaccinations provides little or no protection for this one. Vaccinations are based on human flu viruses, not swine.

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