The Failures leading to 911

[Apollonaris Zeus]

OK lets see if we can put this together so we don't repeat this again!

FBI wants all Air Marshalls taken off all flights.
Why?
Because they won't know which hijackers are the Marshalls and that they might get shot!

Question:

How do you get the plane down so you can shoot the Marshall without Marshalls on them?

Security Alert!
Presented unclassified memo titled: Al Qaeda plans eminent attack on US!

GW Bush and staff just sits around wondering what could that mean and does nothing!

CIA- Memo "Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly"

Oh how nice! What does this mean?

I can't wait to hear all the other excuses from all these agencies and Bush... like the French telling us that they beleive a plane will be use like the one that was going to fly in the Eiffel Tower on an American Target!!!!

Problem is with a president with an IQ of 91 how could he fucking have the intuitive instinct to solve what are organizational problems.

I'm reading "against all enemies" by Richard Clark. Clinton did more to help us against this war then Ashcroft and Bush is willing to let anyone know except their rethoric spinning!

A II Z

[DangerMouse]

Non ADD riddled translation please??

Maybe something short and concise like... Bush and his administration suck?

[Simply Joel]

If you are so f*cking unhappy with the current administration, do something about it.... beyond whining all over these boards.

IMHO... I really wonder why it took so long for terrorism to arrive at our shores... The USA has been a target of terrorism abroad since the early 70's to my recollection.

German Terrorist
http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articled ... icleid=120

Italy's Red Brigade
http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet. ... 6#ideology

A terrorism timeline
http://www.simplytaty.com/broadenpages/terrorism.htm#90


Tom Goldstein, "Does Terrorism Have a History?"
http://www.janus.umd.edu/Feb2002/Curren ... sm/02.html


Anyway... Have a nice day.

[DVD Burner]

If you are so f*cking unhappy with the current administration, do something about it.... beyond whining all over these boards.

I said it once and I'll say it again. Voting is just a pasifyer. The way the world works is the powers (knuckle heads ) that be tell you who your gonna vote for and once you are saticfied with your vote, the powers (knuckle heads) that be go and do what they want to do in this world.

Doing something about it? Well By talking about it on this board is one way and just the begining. Soon, not before long (say close to november) it will be time for the world to evolve. People will have it all figured out by then just what and who is doing what. CIA/FBI thing is just a cover.

Watch.

I can't wait to hear all the other excuses from all these agencies and Bush... like the French telling us that they beleive a plane will be use like the one that was going to fly in the Eiffel Tower on an American Target!!!!

Problem is with a president with an IQ of 91 how could he fucking have the intuitive instinct to solve what are organizational problems.

A II Z

I can wait to hear some more excuses. It's the only way these dumb dumbs can further fuck up. They always leave a paper trail, always fuck up and always get caught in a lie.

Eventually they will get caught in a lie that nobody not even thier followers will be able to deny.

Then it'll "be on".

Yeah baby!

[Rob the Wop]

Wow. So if voting doesn't work, and there is nothing that can be done about anything- why exactly am I watching? Am I looking for aliens to help us or something?

Ssssoooooo...if it's impossible to fight the system, then the only logical thing to do is become a wholehearted supporter of it, right?

Whining about the inevitable makes you look like... well... a useless whiner. Either it isn't inevitable, and you have some kind of solution OR it is inevitable, and then it's pointless to comment on it.

Once again- you have proved to be the Defender of the Vague, Champion of the Hinted Threat, and Genius Definer of the Indefinable. You challenge us to watch the world unfold to see your brilliant deductions- that you never state. By never making a prediction, yet acting as if you have- you are automatically correct in all future events.

By your smileys, you have shown infinite understanding beyond what us mere mortals can comprehend. Oh how can simple periods convey such a wide range of emotion and understanding? The minimalist version of quantum physics wrapped in a small yellow circle.

You, my friend, are a genius.
In your own way.
In your own time.
In your own mind.

[DVD Burner]

Wow. So if voting doesn't work, and there is nothing that can be done about anything- why exactly am I watching? Am I looking for aliens to help us or something?

Ssssoooooo...if it's impossible to fight the system, then the only logical thing to do is become a wholehearted supporter of it, right?
[/i]

Nope, you don't have to be a supporter of this current version of politics, but you can be part of the solution.
What solution you say? The soon to be and very much needed evolution which may come in the way of the inevitable devolution followed by a revolution. Yes the folks need to be overthrown.

The way the so called "Insurgons" need to fight would be similar to how OBL fought the russians. Let the so called superpower throw all it's money and military into fighting these guys and it will drain all of the superpowers resources. It may take awhile knowing that Bush Sr. has a ton of military equiptment to get rid of, but it seems like will be the plan the so called "insurgens" are gonna go with. They have nothing to loose. <no smilie >

[Rob the Wop]

Ah, so when the Revolution hits- everything will become better. Our military will run out of manpower and bullets, and unarmed vegitarians will take over using riding crops as weapons. The ensuing political organization will then ensure a Utopian model. Got it. How could I have been so blind?

Reality- "Vegitarians will become the food source for carnivores when the Revolution hits."

[theCryptofishist]

Problem is with a president with an IQ of 91 how could he fucking have the intuitive instinct to solve what are organizational problems.

That's what the MBA is for.

[DVD Burner]

MBA.

Master of bullshit artists.

[Alpha]

The way the so called "Insurgons" need to fight... but it seems like will be the plan the so called "insurgens" are gonna go with.

Look I don't care if you can't spell insurgent but at least do me the favor of misspelling it consistently!

[theCryptofishist]

Look I don't care if you can't spell insurgent but at least do me the favor of misspelling it consistently!

Ah, the constant chaos of Gorilla Warfare.

[DVD Burner]

The way the so called "Insurgons" need to fight... but it seems like will be the plan the so called "insurgens" are gonna go with.

Look I don't care if you can't spell insurgent but at least do me the favor of misspelling it consistently!

It took 2 hours for someone to pick that up.

Do you know anything about the Mormons mispronouncing people's names of those they thought to be inferior?

[Simply Joel]

Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
- Murphy's First Military Law

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Friendly fire isn't.
- Murphy's Second Military Law

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The most dangerous thing in the combat zone is an officer with a map.
- Murphy's Third Military Law

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Incoming fire has the right of way.
- Murphy's Fourth Military Law

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The army with the smartest dress uniform will lose.
- Murphy's Fifth Military Law

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If your sergeant can see you, so can the enemy.
- Murphy's Sixth Military Law

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Don't be conspicuous. In the combat zone, it draws fire. Out of the combat zone, it draws sergeants.
- Murphy's Seventh Military Law

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If you really need an officer in a hurry, take a nap.
- Murphy's Eighth Military Law

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The quartermaster has only two sizes, too large and too small.
- Murphy's Ninth Military Law

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Never worry about the bullet with your name on it. Instead, worry about shrapnel addressed to 'occupant'.
- Murphy's Tenth Military Law

[Apollonaris Zeus]

If you are so f*cking unhappy with the current administration, do something about it.... beyond whining all over these boards.

IMHO... I really wonder why it took so long for terrorism to arrive at our shores... The USA has been a target of terrorism abroad since the early 70's to my recollection.

Anyway... Have a nice day.

I did and still is!

Actually terrorism has always been with us. You forgot about the blacks in the south. Terrorized since they were first brought here.

Don't forget the Sand Creek Massacre!

And please don't tell me what I can or can't post on this discussion thread and I won't tell you!

A II Z

PS- the animated gif is not about YOU too!

[DVD Burner]

RIGHT ON DOOD!

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Actually Homeland security started in 1997!

It ended in 2001 when Bush took office!

Why?

Reason:

the bush admin wanted some excuse to go to war with Iraq. That's why!

911 was too big and still Bush wanted to find some way to blame Iraq.

We should have gone to war on Iran the supporters of the Hezbollah.

We destroyed the only secular country in the region. We must not forget that it was the Baathist party that tried to reach a settlement with kurds decades ago, but the Kurds didn't stick to the agreements and began warring once again. The Kurds by the way are the descentants of the Persians- they want their kingdom back. The Baathist were once the only socialists in the region that allowed women to work outside the home and always support a secular goverment over a spiritual one!

A II Z

[DVD Burner]

You know something, it really sucks being awsome.

[Simply Joel]

If you are so f*cking unhappy with the current administration, do something about it.... beyond whining all over these boards.

IMHO... I really wonder why it took so long for terrorism to arrive at our shores... The USA has been a target of terrorism abroad since the early 70's to my recollection.

Anyway... Have a nice day.

I did and still is!

Actually terrorism has always been with us. You forgot about the blacks in the south. Terrorized since they were first brought here.

Don't forget the Sand Creek Massacre!

And please don't tell me what I can or can't post on this discussion thread and I won't tell you!

A II Z

PS- the animated gif is not about YOU too!

the verb "beyond" only suggests you do something in addition to, not in leui of...

Have another nice day....

[Isotopia]

You know something, it really sucks being awsome.

Like you'd know.

[DVD Burner]

You know something, it really sucks being awsome.

Like you'd know.

Aw, you just fuckin' hate me because I'm beautiful.

[Simply Joel]

You know something, it really sucks being awsome.

Like you'd know.

Aw, you just fuckin' hate me because I'm beautiful. :lol:

putz

[Jordan 10-E]

God help us if Kerry becomes president. He sure isn't goint to do anything to stop terrorism. War sucks people, but being sympathetic to terrorists and their notion of "justice" is just blind in my opinion. Yeah they have supposedly been oppressed and all this other stuff, but the truth is that terrorists and the organizations that support them do more to oppress their own people than big bad America could ever do. When will they learn that they are not helping themselves in any way? It is one thing to sympathize with "oppressesed" (we are all oppressed, no matter where we live inthe world. It's life.), it's another to some how think that this justifies bombing innocent people or flying planes into buildings. I can't and never will make the leap in my mind or heart to accept such actions. What response comes to them is a result of their own making. Bash Bush all you want, but Kerry sure won't help us any. And if Kerry does become president and fails to stop the tide of terror we will surely be told that it was all Bush's fault. Some days I feel oppressed too, but you don't see me blowing people up over it or creating hate organizations that only destroy and do nothing to build from within. If those that put so much effort into killing innocent people were to rechannel their anger into positive ways of dealing with things they would probably end up being the super power of the world. But alas... sometimes there is no reasoning with hate.

[Jordan 10-E]

Oh and if you somehow think the bath party should be praised, you don't know your history.

[Alpha]

And if you think somehow that the Baath party was responsible for the 9/11/01 terrorists attacks in New York, you you might want to check on your own understanding of recent history.

A bath party, on the other hand, sounds like a lot of fun. Anyone wanna see my rubber ducky?

[DVD Burner]

Oh and if you somehow think the bath party should be praised, you don't know your history.

Note: the title of this thread is "The Failures leading to 911". know your history

The world wouldn’t be in the mess that it is today if America and the British didn’t go medaling in an area they knew nothing about. The British screwed up Iraq around a century ago and the Americans and British screwed up again in the middle east by creating Israel and taking away the Palestinians land. Now it's all coming back to bite everyone in the butt. Plain and simple.

Now Bush has gone and screwed it all up again because he thought he was the (Crusader/prophet) of our time. What a nut.

The Iraqies are fighting for their land. It was going ok when Sadam was topled after which was the perfect time to get out (with proper planning for a new government if properly thought about.) but no....the dumb asses had to stay for the oil. Yes oil. Everyone that is being kidnapped, shot at and killed are truck drivers and contrators like Blackwater. (who deserve it as far as I'm concerned.)

And please stop letting this administration continue to lie to you. Have'nt you been lied to enough already? Yes Sadam was bad and yes the Bath party was bad. They were over there being bad to thier own. not over here. dont blame 911 on them, after all, the 911 crew were Arab.

There is a big diffrence.

[Jordan 10-E]

And if you think somehow that the Baath party was responsible for the 9/11/01 terrorists attacks in New York, you you might want to check on your own understanding of recent history.

A bath party, on the other hand, sounds like a lot of fun. Anyone wanna see my rubber ducky?

That you for your correction of my spelling. I realized my own mistake, yet have no edit function to fix it.

Again, I think I have an extremely good understanding of history. If any of you want to, we refer further and further back in history that's fine. We can debate all the way back to Mohammed if you want. We can go back to the beginnings of civilization if you want. We can look back into dark prehistory and see how people lived. But none of this justifies terrorism.

The Iraq issue admittedly has it's problems... but I don't look at it only from the terrorism perspective. Truth is that it easily could have been true that Iraq had WMD's (almost more likely that it would have them than not). In fact I am surprised that we didn't find them. What would your outlook have been if we did? Iraq just happens to be the battleground for MANY various threads of history playing themselves out. BTW, a great deal of those "Iraqis" defending themselves are not Iraqis at all, but foreign fighters/terrorists that have come to prevent a way forward to allow people to live a better life and not live under the threat of brutality and murder. If it were up to them they would dominate us and there own people under their own threats of violence.

I guess it comes down to who's violence is more justified? Do you really think if we were to just pull out and not bother with the mideast that suddenly they'd flourish and be peaceful? I seriously doubt it. many of them are not looking for compromise, but for all out anihilation. It's like this latest Al-Queda audio tape trying to look like the are willing to negotiate. Their idea of negotiation is to say do this or we will blow you up.

As long as there are people willing to blow themselves up in a crowded market or on a train, there will be military response. Plain and simple. Stop killing people in the markets and we will stop sending our military to try and stop you. We can try and ignore the problem of terror or we can try to deal with it the only way possible and that is to protect ourselves and destroy the elements that are behind it. If you want to look at diplomatic or political solutions to this, please do your best to convince "the other side" to come to the table. Fact is, they won't. If they won't, but instead are bent on a continual cycle of violence then we can't be blamed for responding. If someone came and started killing your family members when they could have come and talked instead, would you stand back and do nothing or would you fight? If people want peace, then they must talk. If one side has no inclination to talk and instead talks about (and acts on) anihilation then it's not like they give us much choice. They are victims, we are victims, but they have the power to take the first step to end the cycle. Unfortunately, it seems they can't see the forest for the trees.

[Guest]

Don't confuse the War on Terror with the Invasion of Iraq. Two different things. Remember too, Nato and the French are with us in Afghanistan. Remember too that there has not been a 10 year period in the past thousand years that the West/European/Christian/Crusaders have not engaged in military operations against muslims.. They do have a bone to pick. Being weak they resort to Terror, as we likely would were the situation reversed.

[DVD Burner]

Jordan 10-E.

You are a lost cause. I would rather read half logic from Joel. at least he tries.

[Rob the Wop]

Oh and if you somehow think the bath party should be praised, you don't know your history.

Note: the title of this thread is "The Failures leading to 911". know your history

The world wouldn’t be in the mess that it is today if America and the British didn’t go medaling in an area they knew nothing about. The British screwed up Iraq around a century ago and the Americans and British screwed up again in the middle east by creating Israel and taking away the Palestinians land. Now it's all coming back to bite everyone in the butt. Plain and simple.

Now Bush has gone and screwed it all up again because he thought he was the (Crusader/prophet) of our time. What a nut.

The Iraqies are fighting for their land. It was going ok when Sadam was topled after which was the perfect time to get out (with proper planning for a new government if properly thought about.) but no....the dumb asses had to stay for the oil. Yes oil. Everyone that is being kidnapped, shot at and killed are truck drivers and contrators like Blackwater. (who deserve it as far as I'm concerned.)

And please stop letting this administration continue to lie to you. Have'nt you been lied to enough already? Yes Sadam was bad and yes the Bath party was bad. They were over there being bad to thier own. not over here. dont blame 911 on them, after all, the 911 crew were Arab.

There is a big diffrence.

Know your history? Right...
Who are the Kurds? What was the Ottoman empire? Who were the early Caliphs? Every century you go back, you have different opinions on 'whose' land it is.

When you say Iraqis, who do you mean? The Shi'ite and Sunni muslims have been at each other's throats since the slaying of Muhammad's cousin, Ali. Who is Iran backing? Are Kurds, Christian, or Jewish citizens not Iraqis? Are you famaliar with Saddam's Arabization policies in regards to the Kurds?

Bland knuckle-headed finger pointing is pointless. We stirred the kettle, so did a bunch of other countries.

And none of this has anything to do with 911 anyways.

[DVD Burner]

Know your history? Right...
Who are the Kurds? What was the Ottoman empire? Who were the early Caliphs? Every century you go back, you have different opinions on 'whose' land it is.

When you say Iraqis, who do you mean? The Shi'ite and Sunni muslims have been at each other's throats since the slaying of Muhammad's cousin, Ali. Who is Iran backing? Are Kurds, Christian, or Jewish citizens not Iraqis? Are you famaliar with Saddam's Arabization policies in regards to the Kurds?

Bland knuckle-headed finger pointing is pointless. We stirred the kettle, so did a bunch of other countries.

And none of this has anything to do with 911 anyways.

Agreed, However I did only go back a century ago in explaining my opinion about Iraq.

As A II Z stated earlier:

Actually Homeland security started in 1997!

It ended in 2001 when Bush took office!

Why?

Reason:

the bush admin wanted some excuse to go to war with Iraq. That's why!

911 was too big and still Bush wanted to find some way to blame Iraq.

We should have gone to war on Iran the supporters of the Hezbollah.

We destroyed the only secular country in the region. We must not forget that it was the Baathist party that tried to reach a settlement with kurds decades ago, but the Kurds didn't stick to the agreements and began warring once again. The Kurds by the way are the descentants of the Persians- they want their kingdom back. The Baathist were once the only socialists in the region that allowed women to work outside the home and always support a secular goverment over a spiritual one!

A II Z

And Rob you are also right about 911. none of this has anything to do with 911.