An actual threat to Nevada public land.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

The NCA came about because of the increasing numbers of visitors. Some level of protection was felt to be needed...
I prefer my landscape empty of people...

Fortunately although the Playa now is just another urban wasteland, the high country is empty. My wife and I just got back from a three day ride through stream filled canyons with good technical rock climbs and German brown trout. No people...

I too prefer my landscapes empty of people and development too!

I beleive that most of the people- not all- become better intouch with the elements and spirit of the black rock. I was a black rock rat long before I ever went to the first BM event. I still love the place but it was becoming trashed long before the first BM event held there. Mineral exploitation was and still is the main destroyer of its beauty- cattle ranching's alfalfa and hay production is the second worse, both have its hand in the destruction of the marshes and streams, but BM has been one of the most positive forms of exploitation. We could do a better job and will if the BM alllows us to move the event to other locales. Someday if the restrictions increased to the point of leaving, we would miss the Black Rock, but

we will go on!

Now about those alien Germans!

Trout that is. One of the Worse things that ever happened to a Lahonta trout and most native species of fish! Hope you fished it dry of them.

I am very concerned though about the Calico Hills area being mined! What has happen about that. The mine would be in conservation area- therefore it would be disallowed. I'm I still right?

A II Z

PS- the indians always get fucked, But their day is coming!

[Badger]

I am very concerned though about the Calico Hills area being mined! What has happen about that. The mine would be in conservation area- therefore it would be disallowed. I'm I still right?

Calico Hills remains under evaluation for Wilderness Area designation as I understand it (Phase I - last I read). Also heard that said designation was came about as a means of derailing possible permit filing for a proposed gold mine in them thar hills just before Clinton left office although the info as it was conveyed was second hand.

[Guest]

I would have to go back to my yellow books but I think the Calico hills became a WSA pre Clinton, BLM did an inventory of the state and set aside millions of acres as WSA, they are all managed as wilderness until Congress releases them, which they have not done as of yet. Where do you have information on a possible Calico hills mine? I have not heard and it is just down the road from my house.

Regarding mining and cyanide, (responding to an earlier post) The modern gold mine removes microscopic gold particles, only pennies per ton, which is why they must move entire mountains, using those huge trucks. The ore is placed on multi acre plastic sheets, sprinklers are set on the "heaps". The sprinklers spray a water cyanide solution on the heap, the gold bonds with the cyanide and washes out the drain. The cyanide/water/gold solution is retrieved and the gold recovered. The cyanide water solution goes to a huge pond. Water birds like the look of the pond, land, die. The mines now cover the ponds with net, sometimes fire sound guns, to keep the birds away. The dirt in the heaps is then hauled away and dumped. It is true that Nevada has the most stringent cleanup requirements in the industry, but little has to be done until the mine is closed, so never close the mine.. There are a number of mines that are no longer worked but are still "open" so that the environmental work does not get done. The mines are mostly foreign owned. The mineral wealth of Nevada leaves the country. Nevada is a resource colony for the other states and other countries, always has been. Strangers come in rape the place, have their fun, then leave.. mmmm sound familiar? Like the Great Divot growing in the Black Rock Desert.

[Rob the Wop]

Yup, or as stated previously, another tactic is to simply declare bankcruptcy after the mine is worked. Leave the pools standing (less effort into clean up, more profit). We had a couple of them near Ridgecrest and there are a number by Death Valley.

[Rob the Wop]

Y'know, what would be a good idea is to force mining companies to hold a certain amount of money in a government fund. This money can only be used for environmental clean-up. That way a clean-up would happen either when a) the mine is done being worked or b) the company declares bankruptcy. It would then become a no-brainer for the company to perform the clean-up as it would cost the same either way.

Just thoughts.

[Guest]

there has been a fight in the Nevada legislature to force the mining companies to post a clean up bond.. Guess who keeps winning

[Rob the Wop]

there has been a fight in the Nevada legislature to force the mining companies to post a clean up bond.. Guess who keeps winning

Ah, someone in government was thinking ahead- good for them. My guess on the winning party would be whoever owns a table big enough to slide all that money under it.

[stuart]

I prefer my landscape empty of people.

well, except for you and yer kin of course.

and last time I checked, it was not your land. It's our land. I think there is a song with that notion.

[Apollonaris Zeus]

Y'know, what would be a good idea is to force mining companies to hold a certain amount of money in a government fund. This money can only be used for environmental clean-up. That way a clean-up would happen either when a) the mine is done being worked or b) the company declares bankruptcy. It would then become a no-brainer for the company to perform the clean-up as it would cost the same either way.

Just thoughts.

MInes in Montana must post a reclaimation bond which is never enough and then the taxpayer have to pay for reclaimation. The state has paid out over 14 million in reclaimation. The idiots in capital finally realized that the posted bonds were too low.

beware thar's fools in da capital!

A II Z

[theCryptofishist]

I prefer my landscape empty of people.

well, except for you and yer kin of course.

Thanks for catching this, Stuart.

I myself am tired of hearing BRR on these matters. To be sure, he has organized his life, presumably at some personal cost, to live where he is, but it's still a choice and a priveledge. Most people HAVE to live in cities--that's where the jobs are. And I'm sure that niether BRR's college or his wife's autistic children clients are on the next parcel of land, so he is as dependent on the city as any non-hunter/gatherer, non-subsistence farmer is. He still gets 11 months or more of near isolation and he had those years before we (Black Rock City) arrived. His playing at living in a previous century is very Marie Antoinette as milkmaid ("Let them eat Treasure Island!"). He is completely ready to ask all 30,000 of us to give up our relationship to the landscape in question, yet to still be witness to his relationship thereto byposting his bad poetry/recyled journal entries. I'm not convinced that a trailer is actually environmentallly friendlier than a home thoughtfully designed and built with locally available materials is, and it still doesn't get to the environmental impact of sewage, roads, and livestock. And I'm put off by his "Better than everyone else, especially city dwellers so I can break game laws at will" attitude. And all this is before the clear cold hatred I feel toward him since he has publically wished death on (me and one of) my kind(s.) I'm about ready to suggest that we all bring some curdled milk to the e-playa meet and greet so that he will at least finally have some cheese to go with his whine.

Rick--please, just count your blessings and stop fussing about us--much better for your mental health.

[theCryptofishist]

I prefer my landscape empty of people.

well, except for you and yer kin of course.

Thanks for catching this, Stuart.

I myself am tired of hearing BRR on these matters. To be sure, he has organized his life, presumably at some personal cost, to live where he is, but it's still a choice and a priveledge. Most people HAVE to live in cities--that's where the jobs are. And I'm sure that niether BRR's college or his wife's autistic children clients are on the next parcel of land, so he is as dependent on the city as any non-hunter/gatherer, non-subsistence farmer is. He still gets 11 months or more of near isolation and he had those years before we (Black Rock City) arrived. His playing at living in a previous century is very Marie Antoinette as milkmaid ("Let them eat Treasure Island!"). He is completely ready to ask all 30,000 of us to give up our relationship to the landscape in question, yet to still be witness to his relationship thereto byposting his bad poetry/recyled journal entries. I'm not convinced that a trailer is actually environmentallly friendlier than a home thoughtfully designed and built with locally available materials is, and it still doesn't get to the environmental impact of sewage, roads, and livestock. And I'm put off by his "Better than everyone else, especially city dwellers so I can break game laws at will" attitude. And all this is before the clear cold hatred I feel toward him since he has publically wished death on (me and one of) my kind(s.) I'm about ready to suggest that we all bring some curdled milk to the e-playa meet and greet so that he will at least finally have some cheese to go with his whine.

Rick--please, just count your blessings and stop fussing about us--much better for your mental health.

[Guest]

I prefer my landscape empty of people.

well, except for you and yer kin of course.

Thanks for catching this, Stuart.

I myself am tired of hearing BRR on these matters. To be sure, he has organized his life, presumably at some personal cost, to live where he is, but it's still a choice and a priveledge[spelling error]. Most people HAVE to live in cities--that's where the jobs are[They could consider self Euthanasia!]. And I'm sure that niether[spelling error] BRR's college [Apparently you have never read my profile, there is no college:) ] or his wife's autistic children clients are on the next parcel of land, so he is as dependent on the city [ There are three cities in Nevada,, so you need to use the plural ] as any non-hunter/gatherer, non-subsistence farmer is. He still gets 11 months or more of near isolation and he had those years before we (Black Rock City) arrived[not necessarily, you don't know how long I have been there]. His playing at living in a previous century is very Marie Antoinette as milkmaid ("Let them eat Treasure Island!"). He is completely ready to ask all 30,000 of us to give up our relationship to the landscape in question,[ You can see the landscape through your self created dust storm ?] yet to still be witness to his relationship thereto byposting his bad poetry/recyled journal entries[my poetry, I have only threatened my poetry, but in respect for your sanity, I have not posted any]. I'm not convinced that a trailer is actually environmentallly friendlier than a home thoughtfully designed and built with locally available materials is, and it still doesn't get to the environmental impact of sewage, roads, and livestock. [sewage and livestock sewage is handy stuff, compost toilets, piles and gardens] And I'm put off by his "Better than everyone else, especially city dwellers so I can break game laws at will" attitude [but you are sheep, I am not]. And all this is before the clear cold hatred I feel toward him since he has publically wished death on (me and one of) my kind(s.)[ I did? dang, I forgot, was it death by gunshot? hanging? flood? earthquake?( sorry, I forgot I am not Zeus)] I'm about ready to suggest that we all bring some curdled milk to the e-playa meet and greet so that he will at least finally have some cheese to go with his whine.

Rick--please, just count your blessings and stop fussing about us--much better for your mental health.

"Count your many blessings count them one by one" I remember that from Sunday School.. The great Bass rises from the bottom of the lake, seeking the bright flash of the artificial lure........