Gods

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:29 am

Life is short.
Eat desert first.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:55 pm

words to live by, thanks UD

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:33 pm

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What if there was no one there?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:32 am

interesting.........
*disclaimer: I'm not a christian*
I see you don't like christians......well, ok........but, do you post this same info regarding the other religions, stating how it's ok to kill "non-believers", infidels, whatever?
Do not jews, muslims, and others espouse the same, or similar, ideas, in some segments of their "societies"?
THere's some pretty egregious actions taken against certain people who don't "conform" IIRC, in the muslim world. I'm sure others, as well.......

Just wonderin' if you're against all violence, intolerance, and the like, perpetrated by all, or, just christians, in the U.S.?........

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:43 am

ygmir wrote:interesting.........
*disclaimer: I'm not a christian*
I see you don't like christians......well, ok........but, do you post this same info regarding the other religions, stating how it's ok to kill "non-believers", infidels, whatever?
Do not jews, muslims, and others espouse the same, or similar, ideas, in some segments of their "societies"?
THere's some pretty egregious actions taken against certain people who don't "conform" IIRC, in the muslim world. I'm sure others, as well.......

Just wonderin' if you're against all violence, intolerance, and the like, perpetrated by all, or, just christians, in the U.S.?........

Read the Gods Thread from the beginning. It has everthing you wish to know.

AIIZ

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:46 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
ygmir wrote:interesting.........
*disclaimer: I'm not a christian*
I see you don't like christians......well, ok........but, do you post this same info regarding the other religions, stating how it's ok to kill "non-believers", infidels, whatever?
Do not jews, muslims, and others espouse the same, or similar, ideas, in some segments of their "societies"?
THere's some pretty egregious actions taken against certain people who don't "conform" IIRC, in the muslim world. I'm sure others, as well.......

Just wonderin' if you're against all violence, intolerance, and the like, perpetrated by all, or, just christians, in the U.S.?........
Read the Gods Thread from the beginning. It has everthing you wish to know.

AIIZ

I'll try................

questions are my way of getting to know someone.........not so much an attack........discussion leads, IMHO, to clarity.
for me, at least.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun May 10, 2009 6:53 am

OK, in case you get lost.

I believe that Judasm, christianity and Islam are the root of all that is evil and wrong with this world.

I don't believe and have been told that there is no god looking over these people. If there was that God left them early in their history and wait for them to fade away so man(is)kind can get back on track from our 2,000 years of Darkness.

AIIZ

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:10 am

I agree.........

I'm hoping at some time, "The big 3" will be looked back upon as a "mere abaration".

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:11 am

AZ ... judaism, christianity, and islam share the same monotheistic god ... and judaism goes back considerably farther than 2,000 years.

war and religion are both as old as human history.

i don't suppose it ever occurred to you that people who do evil under the guise of religion can't possibly fear god (ie, are not really religious)?

or that there are a very great many people who are religious that do a great deal of good? i know, you never hear of them ... doesn't mean they aren't out there.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:18 am

FOOLS!

my god is the one and only, the true god, the most high and he can kick your god's ass.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:21 am

that's what the Gerbil King said to Mr. Geer.............

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:22 am

lol ... i wish he would shave ... he always looks like he just ate some stew, hog style...

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:29 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:FOOLS!

my god is the one and only, the true god, the most high and he can kick your god's ass.

No he can't cuz my god is Bruce Lee

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Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:52 am

littleflower wrote:AZ ... judaism, christianity, and islam share the same monotheistic god ... and judaism goes back considerably farther than 2,000 years.
Only in text ... Its wasn't until Christians gain control of the Romans and access to the Empire that judaism idiology was able to spread their genocide over the existing indigenous theologies

war and religion are both as old as human history.

but never used together- only the jews, christians and muslim use religion as a reason for war. Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath! A war spies jobs was not only to know the battle strategy of an opponent, but to learn how an opponent worshipped their gods, so they they too could apease that god and continue worship of that God

i don't suppose it ever occurred to you that people who do evil under the guise of religion can't possibly fear god (ie, are not really religious)?

Don't tell me tell them!

or that there are a very great many people who are religious that do a great deal of good? i know, you never hear of them ... doesn't mean they aren't out there

Sure some people do good, good is good and helps to convert those that they help! Love the missionaries that give food, shelter and god to the savages!

Its not too late child, Let the spirits of the Earth guide you, You know the way!

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littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:36 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:only the jews, christians and muslim use religion as a reason for war. Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath!

from wikipedia's alexander the great page:

the city of Amphissa began to plough the lands that were sacred to the God Apollo near Delphi. Still occupied in Thrace, Philip ordered Alexander to muster a force but to stop intervention from other Greek states make it look like he was attacking Illyria. When the Illyrians heard of his they attacked Macedon but once again Alexander repelled the invaders.

i think it took about 30 seconds to find that...

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:40 am

Ugg-zactly.

The grace is always greener on the other side. Or something like that.

I prefer to focus on spirit, and not on those who are lost.

I am allergic to religions that claim to be the One True Way, however; they wind up looking at all the others as sun-human.

If a group says that they are just one of many valid spiritual paths, then paradoxically they are the right way for me.

And of course, blood-soaked orgies to It Whose Name Must Not Be Spoken!

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:23 pm

littleflower wrote:from wikipedia's alexander the great page:

the city of Amphissa began to plough the lands that were sacred to the God Apollo near Delphi. Still occupied in Thrace, Philip ordered Alexander to muster a force but to stop intervention from other Greek states make it look like he was attacking Illyria. When the Illyrians heard of his they attacked Macedon but once again Alexander repelled the invaders.
i think it took about 30 seconds to find that...

OK if you just take my first statement, it looks like you are right, but include my complete statement then you should have thought about that more then 30 seconds more to figure out the difference.

In 339 BC, the Athenians offered golden shields to the Temple of Apollo in Delphi with inscriptions insulting to the Thebans, who provoked the deputy of Amfissa to oppose to this offer. Then Aeschines, the Athenian deputy, contradicted the Amfissians, introducing their illegal actions in the sacred lands of the Oracle of Delphi before the Amphictyonic League, which called Philip II of Macedon to interfere. In 338 BC, Philip attacked and destroyed Amfissa, expelling large parts of its population and giving the area to Delphi, which is known as the Fourth Sacred War.

Key word here is: "Illegal" Actions because they refused a spiritual offer based on personal reasons not because they were not following religious laws. No one was forced to worship another religion or god.

this has nothing to do with contradicting my statement but only fortifies it: "Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath!"

this is not an attack against a god nor religion and not the same as the God of the Judasm againt the God of Canaanites to take the promise land. These are two totally different Gods and Religions! Or the Chistian attacking Jews or Muslim because they follow other religions.

AIIZ

From The Darkness · Post by **From The Darkness** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:46 pm

Badger wrote:
Ceasar was not a goD. I'll admit he'd probably think differently of my opinion though.

goD. Why did you capitalize the d? I thought all minor deities where all lower case, but I like what you did better.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:09 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
littleflower wrote:from wikipedia's alexander the great page:

the city of Amphissa began to plough the lands that were sacred to the God Apollo near Delphi. Still occupied in Thrace, Philip ordered Alexander to muster a force but to stop intervention from other Greek states make it look like he was attacking Illyria. When the Illyrians heard of his they attacked Macedon but once again Alexander repelled the invaders.
i think it took about 30 seconds to find that...
OK if you just take my first statement, it looks like you are right, but include my complete statement then you should have thought about that more then 30 seconds more to figure out the difference.

In 339 BC, the Athenians offered golden shields to the Temple of Apollo in Delphi with inscriptions insulting to the Thebans, who provoked the deputy of Amfissa to oppose to this offer. Then Aeschines, the Athenian deputy, contradicted the Amfissians, introducing their illegal actions in the sacred lands of the Oracle of Delphi before the Amphictyonic League, which called Philip II of Macedon to interfere. In 338 BC, Philip attacked and destroyed Amfissa, expelling large parts of its population and giving the area to Delphi, which is known as the Fourth Sacred War.

Key word here is: "Illegal" Actions because they refused a spiritual offer based on personal reasons not because they were not following religious laws. No one was forced to worship another religion or god.

this has nothing to do with contradicting my statement but only fortifies it: "Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath!"

this is not an attack against a god nor religion and not the same as the God of the Judasm againt the God of Canaanites to take the promise land. These are two totally different Gods and Religions! Or the Chistian attacking Jews or Muslim because they follow other religions.

AIIZ

good info AZ.
I might differ, only, (referencing red highlight), in that you lump all polytheistic peoples into this category, and, I think that is not accurate......

not that I don't agree.......I feel anyone's own "God (s) of choice" are valid and, worth acknowledgment..........even if you're overrunning and slaughtering them...........

From The Darkness · Post by **From The Darkness** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:03 am

Personally I worship the god Cheetohs. Always orange, always so cheesey.

My god, Cheetos never lets me down. Why waste your time with a myth anyway?

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:12 am

there's a syndrome related to Cheetohs (or cheese doodles, Mule), and porn.............

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:12 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote: Key word here is: "Illegal" Actions because they refused a spiritual offer based on personal reasons not because they were not following religious laws. No one was forced to worship another religion or god.

this has nothing to do with contradicting my statement but only fortifies it: "Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath!"

this is not an attack against a god nor religion and not the same as the God of the Judasm againt the God of Canaanites to take the promise land. These are two totally different Gods and Religions! Or the Chistian attacking Jews or Muslim because they follow other religions.

AIIZ

AZ ... i don't know where to start with you.

one minute you say that the trouble started 2000 years ago with christianity, the next you're talking about the canaanites ... ? huh?

how many centuries is it since christians fought wars of conquest and forced people into christianity? and even those who did ... there is NOTHING in the christian gospels that instruct leaders to go to war... it's the same as your interpretation of pagans, pretty much. PEOPLE have interpreted it differently ... often, no doubt, to further their own interests. you can go back 2000, 3000, 5000, 10000 years and make up a lot of stuff, because there is very little information ... but you are a fool if you believe that no pagan ever forced their religion on people they conquered, or that a neo-pagan world conquest would bring world peace. IMHO, of course

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:19 am

littleflower wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote: Key word here is: "Illegal" Actions because they refused a spiritual offer based on personal reasons not because they were not following religious laws. No one was forced to worship another religion or god.

this has nothing to do with contradicting my statement but only fortifies it: "Polythestic people consider an attack against a God and its religion would be an insult to that God and incure the Gods wrath!"

this is not an attack against a god nor religion and not the same as the God of the Judasm againt the God of Canaanites to take the promise land. These are two totally different Gods and Religions! Or the Chistian attacking Jews or Muslim because they follow other religions.

AIIZ
AZ ... i don't know where to start with you.

one minute you say that the trouble started 2000 years ago with christianity, the next you're talking about the canaanites ... ? huh?

how many centuries is it since christians fought wars of conquest and forced people into christianity? and even those who did ... there is NOTHING in the christian gospels that instruct leaders to go to war... it's the same as your interpretation of pagans, pretty much. PEOPLE have interpreted it differently ... often, no doubt, to further their own interests. you can go back 2000, 3000, 5000, 10000 years and make up a lot of stuff, because there is very little information ... but you are a fool if you believe that no pagan ever forced their religion on people they conquered, or that a neo-pagan world conquest would bring world peace. IMHO, of course

From The Darkness · Post by **From The Darkness** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:22 am

ygmir wrote:there's a syndrome related to Cheetohs (or cheese doodles, Mule), and porn.............

Orange Cock.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:36 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
littleflower wrote:AZ ... judaism, christianity, and islam share the same monotheistic god ... and judaism goes back considerably farther than 2,000 years.
Only in text ... Its wasn't until Christians gain control of the Romans and access to the Empire that judaism idiology was able to spread their genocide over the existing indigenous theologies

Here, littleflower, chew on this for a few minutes before you post something.

AIIZ

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:37 am

I think that the point is that the quantity of gods in your pantheon doesn't make you more or less moral or spiritual.
It's like saying that countries with fewer colors in their flags are the evil countries that need to be rubbed out.

My heart belongs to the religions of my ancestors, but blind obedience is not in my playbook.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:37 pm

AZ ... i take it that romans never really persecuted christians, and the roman empire was never really corrupt ... that the christians rewrote roman history in order to increase their power?

and, as for genocide of faith ... your solution is to do the same to christianity? wipe it out, just as it wiped out paganism? why? what good will that do?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:11 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:I think that the point is that the quantity of gods in your pantheon doesn't make you more or less moral or spiritual.
It's like saying that countries with fewer colors in their flags are the evil countries that need to be rubbed out. :)

My heart belongs to the religions of my ancestors, but blind obedience is not in my playbook.

i couldn't agree with you more!

AIIZ

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:14 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
Ugly Dougly wrote:I think that the point is that the quantity of gods in your pantheon doesn't make you more or less moral or spiritual.
It's like saying that countries with fewer colors in their flags are the evil countries that need to be rubbed out.

My heart belongs to the religions of my ancestors, but blind obedience is not in my playbook.
i couldn't agree with you more!

AIIZ

at least you didn't say:
i couldn't agree with you, Shirley........you know how he hates to be called Shirley......

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:05 pm

littleflower wrote:AZ ... i take it that romans never really persecuted christians, and the roman empire was never really corrupt ... that the christians rewrote roman history in order to increase their power?

I have heard that theory as well, but we have documentation to the contrary. yes the Christians were persecuted for a time after the burning of Rome under Nero's rein. Yes, too, to the fact the christians did rewrite parts history just as the jews did rewrite their own history. The victors rewrite history all the time. But one thing that the christians did was to try to burn and distroy all the history books starting in the Library of Alexandra proceeding to abolish all greek universities in the empire. they then began a genocide on all priests and priestisses and build their churches from the ruble of the temples.

and, as for genocide of faith ... your solution is to do the same to christianity? wipe it out, just as it wiped out paganism? why? what good will that do?

No I never said I wanted to wipe it out in a form of genocide that's terrible. March people into gas chambers? What would we become? Not much better them, right? They will fade away. not totally of course. But they won't have the power they do today.

How? Truth and knowledge will do that. They want lambs, dumb stupid ignorant lambs. The dumber the better. That's why they wanted to burn all the books of science and non-fiction, but you can't keep Galileo locked up in a tightly enclosed house for infinity. Galileo became even more powerful after his death then when He was alive. Today, people are educated. America and Europe is become less christian, jewish and islamic everyday because of the truths that are.

A god doesn't favor one because one sacrifices meat over vegetables. Waters don't part for man. Men don't walk on water and dead bodies don't just disappear. Fossil seashells on mountains weren't left from a great floods. The darkness comes to an end!

Thank God!

Gods

I believe that are...