My preferential persecution would be to be smeared with mangoes and licked until my flesh tingles.Simon of the Playa wrote: one mans persecution is another man's play-time.
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Thanks for asking.
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Its not just on the History channel. There are many references, but as I said Hitler when on a campaign to obliterate all records. Blowing up whole Austrian villages of his father and his. His sister even feared the Nazis would come for her and had persistant nightmares waking in screams about they are taking her to the death camps in her older years. Yes, it sounds crazy, but he was just that. think about the psychology behind people that hide big secrets when they are in positions of power. I'm sure you can remember all the closet gay politicians and clerics that went on campaigns against homosexuals only to be outed later. Add in his heritiary mental illness and it realy does adds up.Simon of the Playa wrote:PROOF please, and the History channel is NOT a reliable source by any means.Hitler has Jewish ancestry. He had done all that he could to hide it. Even to the point that he bombed his childhood village. Even some of his officers knew about and Blackmailed him if he had turned against Germany. Hitler feared these reports would come out. Maybe so much that it was one of the reasons he committed suicide.
no proof, than it's just another legend, or myth, like jesus.
I know you are in denial because of your love for Hansi. She controls you and you must break her power, but give her a good sausage up the strudel before you do.
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Although there is no evidence that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather, supposedly his grandmother refused to reveal the identity of her child's father to her death. There was a suspicion that it was her Jewish employer, but there is no evidence of this, and Hitler certainly never spoke of it.
why would he!
He's an Austrijew!
why would he!
He's an Austrijew!
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imagine what Ron Brown and Vince Foster could have told us about the Clintons............
they're all in it together, to keep us focused on stuff that matters not, and, oblivious to what is really happening.........
no, I am not a cynical, conspiracy theorist, anarchist, Pagan.........
they're all in it together, to keep us focused on stuff that matters not, and, oblivious to what is really happening.........
no, I am not a cynical, conspiracy theorist, anarchist, Pagan.........
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Was Hitler part Jewish?
April 9, 1993
Dear Cecil:
I and a number of my friends were raised Jewish. In different Sunday and Hebrew schools, we all heard myths that Hitler was Jewish, and some said that his heritage, not the impending allied victory, caused him to commit suicide. One stubborn boy insists that Hitler's father was at least half Jewish, and that young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult. Secular teachers, history books, and encyclopedias make no mention of Hitler having any Jewish blood. I hope you, Cecil the all-knowing, can set the record straight.
— Anonymous, Dallas
Cecil replies:
Wish I could oblige, bubeleh. But while Hitler probably didn't have any Jewish blood, it can't be completely ruled out. Hitler's father was illegitimate and to this day there is some question about who his grandfather was. Throughout his career he was dogged by rumors about his pedigree, some of them circulated by his fellow Nazis. In 1933 the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler. It's now known the Bucharest Hitler could not have been grandfather to our Adolf, but Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.
Here's what we know: Hitler's paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, gave birth to Alois, Hitler's father, in 1837. She was 42 and unmarried at the time and apparently never revealed the father's identity. Five years later she married Johann Georg Hiedler or Hitler (spelling was a bit casual in those days). But Alois kept the surname Schicklgruber until he was 39 years old.
In 1876 a new baptismal certificate was issued declaring that Alois's stepfather J.G. Hiedler was in fact his real father. By this time both Maria and J.G. were dead. Why the name change so late in the day nobody really knows, but there is speculation that Alois did it so he could come into an inheritance. At any rate, few researchers today believe J.G. was really Alois's father.
Now for the weird stuff. After the war Hitler's former lawyer, Hans Frank, claimed that Adolf told him in 1930 that one of his relatives was trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his alleged Jewish ancestry. Hitler asked Frank to find out the facts. Frank says he determined that at the time Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois, she was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son, according to Frank, was Alois's father and Hitler's grandfather--which would make the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.
Frank's allegations have vexed historians ever since. The distinguished Hitler scholar Werner Maser was so irritated he claimed Frank made the whole thing up. Others think Frank was telling the truth but that the research he did for Hitler was faulty. It turns out that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s; what's more, so far as can be determined, Maria Schicklgruber never lived in Graz. Frank's source for the Frankenberger yarn was a distant relation of Hitler's, who supposedly had letters exchanged by the Frankenbergers and Maria Schicklgruber. (It's claimed they gave her child support.) But neither the relative nor the letters have ever surfaced, and chances are it's all a crock.
So who really was Hitler's grandfather? Werner Maser thinks it was the brother of his legal grandfather, one Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. But that's not all. J. Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Klara Poelzl, Hitler's mom. In other words, J.N. was both Adolph's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather. I'm not about to tell you any of this was the proximate cause of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, his suicide, or anything else. Still, if you believe Maser, not only was Hitler twisted, so was his family tree.
— Cecil Adams
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April 9, 1993
Dear Cecil:
I and a number of my friends were raised Jewish. In different Sunday and Hebrew schools, we all heard myths that Hitler was Jewish, and some said that his heritage, not the impending allied victory, caused him to commit suicide. One stubborn boy insists that Hitler's father was at least half Jewish, and that young Adolf hated his father, causing him to translate his hatred into mass slaughter as an adult. Secular teachers, history books, and encyclopedias make no mention of Hitler having any Jewish blood. I hope you, Cecil the all-knowing, can set the record straight.
— Anonymous, Dallas
Cecil replies:
Wish I could oblige, bubeleh. But while Hitler probably didn't have any Jewish blood, it can't be completely ruled out. Hitler's father was illegitimate and to this day there is some question about who his grandfather was. Throughout his career he was dogged by rumors about his pedigree, some of them circulated by his fellow Nazis. In 1933 the London Daily Mirror published a picture of a gravestone in a Jewish cemetery in Bucharest inscribed with some Hebrew characters and the name Adolf Hitler. It's now known the Bucharest Hitler could not have been grandfather to our Adolf, but Hitler was sufficiently worried about the whole business that, according to the historian John Toland, he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.
Here's what we know: Hitler's paternal grandmother, Maria Schicklgruber, gave birth to Alois, Hitler's father, in 1837. She was 42 and unmarried at the time and apparently never revealed the father's identity. Five years later she married Johann Georg Hiedler or Hitler (spelling was a bit casual in those days). But Alois kept the surname Schicklgruber until he was 39 years old.
In 1876 a new baptismal certificate was issued declaring that Alois's stepfather J.G. Hiedler was in fact his real father. By this time both Maria and J.G. were dead. Why the name change so late in the day nobody really knows, but there is speculation that Alois did it so he could come into an inheritance. At any rate, few researchers today believe J.G. was really Alois's father.
Now for the weird stuff. After the war Hitler's former lawyer, Hans Frank, claimed that Adolf told him in 1930 that one of his relatives was trying to blackmail him by threatening to reveal his alleged Jewish ancestry. Hitler asked Frank to find out the facts. Frank says he determined that at the time Maria Schicklgruber gave birth to Alois, she was working as a household cook in the town of Graz. Her employers were a Jewish family named Frankenberger, who had a 19-year-old son. The son, according to Frank, was Alois's father and Hitler's grandfather--which would make the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.
Frank's allegations have vexed historians ever since. The distinguished Hitler scholar Werner Maser was so irritated he claimed Frank made the whole thing up. Others think Frank was telling the truth but that the research he did for Hitler was faulty. It turns out that all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th century and were not allowed to return until the 1860s; what's more, so far as can be determined, Maria Schicklgruber never lived in Graz. Frank's source for the Frankenberger yarn was a distant relation of Hitler's, who supposedly had letters exchanged by the Frankenbergers and Maria Schicklgruber. (It's claimed they gave her child support.) But neither the relative nor the letters have ever surfaced, and chances are it's all a crock.
So who really was Hitler's grandfather? Werner Maser thinks it was the brother of his legal grandfather, one Johann Nepomuk Hiedler. But that's not all. J. Nepomuk was also the grandfather of Klara Poelzl, Hitler's mom. In other words, J.N. was both Adolph's paternal grandfather and his maternal great-grandfather. I'm not about to tell you any of this was the proximate cause of Hitler's persecution of the Jews, his suicide, or anything else. Still, if you believe Maser, not only was Hitler twisted, so was his family tree.
— Cecil Adams
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Check this out:
In 1930, Hilter entrusted Frank to research his ancestry in order to dispell rumors that Hitler had Jewish blood. The discription of his progress, below, is from the book, The Trial of the Germans, by Eugene Davidson, University of Missouri Press, 1966:
"Frank undertook this delicate task, and he declared in the autobiography written in his cell at Nuremberg that what he discovered made it appear possible, if not likely, that Hitler's father had been half Jewish. The main facts are clear enough. Hitler's grandmother, a Fraulein Maria Anna Schicklgruber, worked as a cook for a well-to-do Jewish family named Frankenberger. The Frankenbergers had a son who was nineteen years old at the time Hitler's forty-two-year-old grandmother bore a child out of wedlock, and the Jewish family paid for the support of the child up to the time it was fourteen years old. Frank wrote that the money was given to avoid a public scandal. Apparently, although Frank does not say so, Fraeulein Schicklgruber had threatened to bring a suit against the Frankenbergers. Frank wrote that many letters were subsequently exchanged between them and Hitler's grandmother, which seemed to him to be evidence of a cordial relationship. Nevertheless, both he and Hitler were convinced that the child was actually the offspring of a millworker, Johann Georg Hiedler, a second cousin of Fraeulein Schicklgruber, who five years after the birth of the child married her and legitimized her son. But Frank, writing in Nuremberg no longer for the benefit of the Fuehrer, was also of the opinion that it was not out of the question that Hitler's father, who later changed his name from Hiedler to Hitler, was half Jewish."
In 1930, Hilter entrusted Frank to research his ancestry in order to dispell rumors that Hitler had Jewish blood. The discription of his progress, below, is from the book, The Trial of the Germans, by Eugene Davidson, University of Missouri Press, 1966:
"Frank undertook this delicate task, and he declared in the autobiography written in his cell at Nuremberg that what he discovered made it appear possible, if not likely, that Hitler's father had been half Jewish. The main facts are clear enough. Hitler's grandmother, a Fraulein Maria Anna Schicklgruber, worked as a cook for a well-to-do Jewish family named Frankenberger. The Frankenbergers had a son who was nineteen years old at the time Hitler's forty-two-year-old grandmother bore a child out of wedlock, and the Jewish family paid for the support of the child up to the time it was fourteen years old. Frank wrote that the money was given to avoid a public scandal. Apparently, although Frank does not say so, Fraeulein Schicklgruber had threatened to bring a suit against the Frankenbergers. Frank wrote that many letters were subsequently exchanged between them and Hitler's grandmother, which seemed to him to be evidence of a cordial relationship. Nevertheless, both he and Hitler were convinced that the child was actually the offspring of a millworker, Johann Georg Hiedler, a second cousin of Fraeulein Schicklgruber, who five years after the birth of the child married her and legitimized her son. But Frank, writing in Nuremberg no longer for the benefit of the Fuehrer, was also of the opinion that it was not out of the question that Hitler's father, who later changed his name from Hiedler to Hitler, was half Jewish."
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gobbledygook. why waste my time?
you treat Judaism as a race, not a religion...
you are the same as those that would oppress because they believe others to be different by genetic makeup.
that somehow jews are a race....what a bunch of fucknut hogwash...
Japanese Jews, African Jews, White Jews, Brown jews, Purple Jews Orange Juice.
WTF? How stupid can you get to assign a RELIGION to somebody based on their last name.
Fuck You A to Z. whether it's Hitler or me, you have no basis in truth fact or otherwise to call ANYONE a jew unless they themselves consider themselves to be one.
and I sir, by all standards, am not a jew.
you treat Judaism as a race, not a religion...
you are the same as those that would oppress because they believe others to be different by genetic makeup.
that somehow jews are a race....what a bunch of fucknut hogwash...
Japanese Jews, African Jews, White Jews, Brown jews, Purple Jews Orange Juice.
WTF? How stupid can you get to assign a RELIGION to somebody based on their last name.
Fuck You A to Z. whether it's Hitler or me, you have no basis in truth fact or otherwise to call ANYONE a jew unless they themselves consider themselves to be one.
and I sir, by all standards, am not a jew.
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I, unlike A to Z, don`t disagree.
Even if Jewish was a race, not an ethnicity, A 2 Z is using generalities and inuendo to "prove" his "case".
By his logic, a simple measuring of Hitlers nose would prove he was or wasn`t Jewish.
Of course we know that race is not a determining factor as to the size of one`s nose; but we are dealing with averages right?
Hitler also detested Gypsies; I suppose this proves that he is a distant relative of Cher?
Maybe we should ask the in-laws familys old neighbors descendent.
That could shed some light.
The truth is in the wine. If we could only get it to speak...
Even if Jewish was a race, not an ethnicity, A 2 Z is using generalities and inuendo to "prove" his "case".
By his logic, a simple measuring of Hitlers nose would prove he was or wasn`t Jewish.
Of course we know that race is not a determining factor as to the size of one`s nose; but we are dealing with averages right?
Hitler also detested Gypsies; I suppose this proves that he is a distant relative of Cher?
Maybe we should ask the in-laws familys old neighbors descendent.
That could shed some light.
The truth is in the wine. If we could only get it to speak...
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I have to wonder:
Why should anyone care?
Hitler is known for his actions, not his parentage.........."who" he was does not change "who" he was.........would it make his deed "more" bad?......
As fun as conjecture is, how much time is it worth?
And, why just Hitler? How many jews did Stalin have killed?
No one talks about Stalin, is it because, as a good communist, he's off limits?
Is it because, it's more fun to attack the person everyone else is attacking, like a pack?
or, if mass murder/genocide is the issue, what about Mao? Pol Pot?
Does scale matter? Who knows.....who can judge?
Why should anyone care?
Hitler is known for his actions, not his parentage.........."who" he was does not change "who" he was.........would it make his deed "more" bad?......
As fun as conjecture is, how much time is it worth?
And, why just Hitler? How many jews did Stalin have killed?
No one talks about Stalin, is it because, as a good communist, he's off limits?
Is it because, it's more fun to attack the person everyone else is attacking, like a pack?
or, if mass murder/genocide is the issue, what about Mao? Pol Pot?
Does scale matter? Who knows.....who can judge?
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Sounds like you have some underlining problem with your own heritage?Simon of the Playa wrote: and I sir, by all standards, am not a jew.
hitler hypocracy is that the Nazis claimed that jews were genetically and morally inferior and unfit to exist. Yet he was part Jewish. He's the role model of every neo-nazi and white supremist.
I never said that Judaism is a race. I'm just saying he had the ancestry.
I also love shoving it in the face of the Nazis that they were so fucked up mentally- actually had mental problems- they would follow someone that was of jewish heritage. But I excuse them because they didn't know. They just fucked up people.
You do know that Hitler imprisoned his niece as a sex slave too or are you going to ask for proof on this one.
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"Minister-without-Portfolio Yossi Peled proposed Israeli sanctions on the US in a letter to cabinet ministers on Sunday.". How about that,, they're going to punish us.
"the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the US, selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally"
"Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama "
Gee AIPAC is going to try to influence elections. What a concept.
" it is totally wrong-headed and dangerous for the Government of Israel to attempt to inject itself into American electoral politics," Well that's a bit hypocritical.
"Israel has its own interests and we have to know what our alternatives are,""
Netanyahu isn't going for it. ""Jerusalem and Washington have a special relationship and we expect that relationship to continue to be strong"
Crap, I was hoping that they would send back the hundreds of $ billions that we sent them.
Then, they wouldn't be able to afford to pay all the spies that they have working against us.
"Minister-without-Portfolio Yossi Peled proposed Israeli sanctions on the US in a letter to cabinet ministers on Sunday.". How about that,, they're going to punish us.
"the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the US, selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally"
"Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama "
Gee AIPAC is going to try to influence elections. What a concept.
" it is totally wrong-headed and dangerous for the Government of Israel to attempt to inject itself into American electoral politics," Well that's a bit hypocritical.
"Israel has its own interests and we have to know what our alternatives are,""
Netanyahu isn't going for it. ""Jerusalem and Washington have a special relationship and we expect that relationship to continue to be strong"
Crap, I was hoping that they would send back the hundreds of $ billions that we sent them.
Then, they wouldn't be able to afford to pay all the spies that they have working against us.
I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.
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Israel announces a shift on settlements with no new settlements.
This is just a israeli stall tactic just to appease Obama. Israel has no desire to stop them, but encourage settlements especially the illegal territory in East Jerusalem.
Israel really believes that OBama is going to be a one termer and their politcal conservative propaganda machine is going to erode his support in the next three and a half years.
I'm sure many of you will help them along
Jericho was part of the biblical Jewish homeland that Zionism sought to reclaim, it was the second act of jewish genocide.
AIIZ
This is just a israeli stall tactic just to appease Obama. Israel has no desire to stop them, but encourage settlements especially the illegal territory in East Jerusalem.
Israel really believes that OBama is going to be a one termer and their politcal conservative propaganda machine is going to erode his support in the next three and a half years.
I'm sure many of you will help them along
Jericho was part of the biblical Jewish homeland that Zionism sought to reclaim, it was the second act of jewish genocide.
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Zeus, you are correct about the lost centuries of tech advancement. The other side of the coin is; Man kind had to resort to killing the old fashioned way. Tech advancement invariably leads to more efficient killing.
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Archimedes would agree with the last statement. He would disagree that it was the new destroying the old but the old way of ignorance destroying what they can't comprehend- the paradiem of discourse versus status quo regression.can't sit still wrote:Zeus, you are correct about the lost centuries of tech advancement. The other side of the coin is; Man kind had to resort to killing the old fashioned way. Tech advancement invariably leads to more efficient killing.
It is too late.
The Barbarians have won their Armagedon. May they savor their brief moment of stupity never to have known what they have done!
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This is a must-read article on how Obama relates to the current situation with world jewery and israel;
http://heshamtillawi.wordpress.com/2009 ... parations/
http://heshamtillawi.wordpress.com/2009 ... parations/
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Zeus, America was more of an ideal not a place. As it gradually morphed from a democratic republic to a democracy,,, from a country to an empire, it lost it's way. As this country morphs into a police state, it's demise is insured.
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This ball of rock will survive the confluence in 2012. It's happened millions of time in the past. The perturbations of the sun are expected to cause violent weather. That won't be good for food crops. Any country that has let it's population outgrow it's food-production capacity is going to have problems. Most of the countries in the Middle-East will find it impossible to feed everyone. Gaza and Egypt will be especially bad.
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