What's a Palin

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:56 pm

peace?
ask the, the Bosnians

the nato involvement in the halting of ethnic cleansing in the former yugoslavia was a great success militarily, and politically and one of the few that our armed forces can boast about in recent history.

i dont think anyone except slobodan milosevic and his butchers would disagree with that statement.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:00 pm

I didn't say it wasn't successful, however you term success.....
but, still, it was war.
Is genocide/ethnic cleansing a good reason to go to war? U.N., NATO, whomever, sanctioned, or not.
Would the Kurds, Shiites, (sp?) think so?

why did we not go to Rwanda, then?
Other African states? Especially in the Clinton years.
Why not Central America?

I think it was much more, and more nefarious, than, the obvious reason........

But, then again, I'm cynical to a fault.

I'm not for war, except, in direct self defense.
But, even that can be a messy concept......

dang, hard to make a call, IMHO........

wedeliver · Post by **wedeliver** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:49 pm

ygmir wrote:.....
I think it was much more, and more nefarious........
......

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:59 pm

why did we not go to Rwanda, then?

thats easy....plain, simple and brutally ugly, but policy nonetheless.

Because Americans could care less about 800,000 brown people dying at the hands of other brown people in a place where there is no oil.

do you really expect them to back a war where our boys die to stop a slaughter in sub-sahara africa for humanitarian reasons?

yeah, right. not after Mogadishu, thats for damn sure.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:51 am

Here a clip of Nailn' Palin

http://video.xnxx.com/video159577/who_s ... lin_part_1

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:01 pm

Sarah is resigning as the Governor of Alaska

Why?

Is it the Alaskan budget deficit and she didn't accept the Stimulus Plan?

Is she a lousy governor?

A quitter when when things get tough or is the truth is she knows alaska is in the shithole and wants to quit with a good record?

Or she knows she can make alot of money forming a political issues group!

Or wants to film the real Who's Nailin' Palin!

http://video.xnxx.com/video159577/who_s ... lin_part_1

What it really means is that she's dead as far as alive dead presidential prospects go!

AIIZ

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:34 pm

Now now, AZ. The GOP needs it's clowns.

She will be very rich as speaker and pitching her book..

She is the only one left to run for 2012..

Mc Cain was a throw away after Bush. She will be a good throw away for the four year mark.

Rigth now Oboma is ROTFLHAO along with the rest of us.

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:59 pm

The whole thing is bizarre, from her election as governor, to her nomination as VP candidate, to her resignation, and a rather high number of weird little episodes along the way. Her resignation speech was close to incoherent.

But Palin is not the only one making little sense. Bill Kristol and Fox News have both started to insist that this could be a political masterstroke.

I think that this is not the last that we will hear from Sarah Palin, not by a long shot.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:45 pm

AS poor as the quality, It's still slap stick comidy..

I watched her resign just now.

Laughed so hard my ribs are sore.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:49 pm

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:26 pm

Pro-petaphile?
Anti-petaphile?
Anti-horse?

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:53 pm

i don't get it.

when palin was a candidate, it made some sense. i expected the attacks... she was running for office, and, therefore, fair game.

attacks on her family seemed terribly bad taste.

election over. sigh of relief.

but it did not end.

even her children have been attacked.

what sickens me even more, though, is the way some of you speak about peace and tolerance. tolerance for what? your issues? who the hell are you to determine what is most important to everyone?

world peace happens when we all can agree on things ...

so when those who scream for tolerance sound intolerant ... when they mock those they do not agree with, no matter how insignificant they may be ... talk about hypocrisy...

it may very well be an excellent political move. she probably has plenty of examples of utterly mean-spirited and vapid attacks on her family that she can use later to attack her attackers. she won't even need anything else, the way some of you people are going...

sorry, i often find myself surrounded by far left types, and their hate and anger astound me ... geez, get a life ...

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:22 pm

I agree completely that her family should have been left out of it. And by that I mean both the attacks from the left and the right. Unfortunately, the pendulum has been swinging towards the family as fair game when it comes to the media and politicians. It stinks, whether it is attacking Bristol Palin or Chelsea Clinton or Mrs. McCain or Mrs. Obama.

It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified, as is richly the case for Mark Sanford. I'd just like to see the attacks limited to the politician.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:39 pm

dr.placebo wrote:I agree completely that her family should have been left out of it. And by that I mean both the attacks from the left and the right. Unfortunately, the pendulum has been swinging towards the family as fair game when it comes to the media and politicians. It stinks, whether it is attacking Bristol Palin or Chelsea Clinton or Mrs. McCain or Mrs. Obama.

It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified, as is richly the case for Mark Sanford. I'd just like to see the attacks limited to the politician.

hey doc, we agree, again...........yay.........

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:40 pm

gyre wrote:Pro-petaphile?
Anti-petaphile?
Anti-horse?

WTF?..............

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:41 pm

dr.placebo wrote:It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified...

well, this is a lovely catch-22, isn't it, doc?

it's pretty much impossible for anyone to raise an innocent child anymore ...

kids get to their teen years, and guess what? they make mistakes.

even the best parent can no longer prevent it, either. but if you are a politician who is big on family values, and your daughter gets pregnant, YOU are a hypocrite? is that what you are saying?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:41 pm

Face it, she is a hill billy and she married one. Then she hatched some more hicks. Today again she was putting them on display. The hick gene at it's best.

Almost as good as the Beverly Hill Billies of TV fame.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:54 pm

unjonharley wrote:Face it, she is a hill billy and she married one. Then she hatched some more hicks. Today again she was putting them on display. The hick gene at it's best.

Almost as good as the Beverly Hill Billies of TV fame.

spread those stereotypes around UJH............you like to use them, try some for your friends..........I bet you'd get pissed if they were used in kind on your president.....

sometimes, some of you seem like the terrier, that, after the kill, runs in barking and biting, and then struts away..........

I don't see the other side still getting on Algore...........he's every bit as good a target.........mondale...........on and on............dukakis..........jesse jackson.........

d6 · Post by d6 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:14 pm

i still hear plenty of failed dem poliltical jokes, as well as quayle, bush, nixon, reagan, sc gov..............aren't political jokes only a tool to temporarily distract frustrations on the voters behalf?

once you make yourself a public figure, you are now in public wearing a larger target.
And once you get caught practicing what you had once talked down to the rest of us about, some folks revel mightily in that failing.

d6,
polish jokes for 200, please.

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:22 pm

ygmir wrote:
gyre wrote:Pro-petaphile?
Anti-petaphile?
Anti-horse?
WTF?..............

PETA
A bizarre para-moral organization with an animal and apparently bug fetish.
Similar to many other better than thou groups. (See family values)

http://www.peta.org/about/index.asp

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:54 pm

dr.placebo wrote:this could be a political masterstroke.

Here's ya Masterstroke...

I'm watching Nailin' Palin Part 3

Yaaaa, Hooooo! hhhhyyyymmmmm! Ohhhhhhhh!

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:42 am

littleflower wrote:
dr.placebo wrote:It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified...
well, this is a lovely catch-22, isn't it, doc?

it's pretty much impossible for anyone to raise an innocent child anymore ...

kids get to their teen years, and guess what? they make mistakes.

even the best parent can no longer prevent it, either. but if you are a politician who is big on family values, and your daughter gets pregnant, YOU are a hypocrite? is that what you are saying?

dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:02 am

[ sorry for the partial duplicate ]

littleflower wrote:
dr.placebo wrote:It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified...
well, this is a lovely catch-22, isn't it, doc?

it's pretty much impossible for anyone to raise an innocent child anymore ...

kids get to their teen years, and guess what? they make mistakes.

even the best parent can no longer prevent it, either. but if you are a politician who is big on family values, and your daughter gets pregnant, YOU are a hypocrite? is that what you are saying?

The example I gave was Mark Sanford, actually, and he's an especially self-righteous sleazeball.

I agree that even the best parents cannot prevent children's mistakes. I've helped to raise two teenagers, so the concept is not foreign to me. But let's admit imperfection at the start, and not pretend to be above it all. It is not her daughter's behavior that pisses me off, it's Sarah's, particularly her public attitude.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:06 am

unjonharley wrote:Face it, she is a hill billy and she married one. Then she hatched some more hicks. Today again she was putting them on display. The hick gene at it's best.

Almost as good as the Beverly Hill Billies of TV fame.

Alaska is like Arkansas, except its colder.

That said... Palin is obviously tired of the spotlight and abuse, and to be fair, both sides get it on a regular basis, including serious death threats.

What's pathetic is the way that she's trying explain something that she really doesn't need to explain. That's why we're ROTFLMAO: because most of us would probably behave the same way.

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:31 am

dr.placebo wrote:[ sorry for the partial duplicate ]

littleflower wrote:
dr.placebo wrote:It also stinks that the politicians have contributed so heavily in this direction by parading their families around as exemplars of virtue. I do think that if a politician is going to call out his (or her) family life as an example, or to preach family values, then identifying the hypocricy can be justified...
well, this is a lovely catch-22, isn't it, doc?

it's pretty much impossible for anyone to raise an innocent child anymore ...

kids get to their teen years, and guess what? they make mistakes.

even the best parent can no longer prevent it, either. but if you are a politician who is big on family values, and your daughter gets pregnant, YOU are a hypocrite? is that what you are saying?
The example I gave was Mark Sanford, actually, and he's an especially self-righteous sleazeball.

I agree that even the best parents cannot prevent children's mistakes. I've helped to raise two teenagers, so the concept is not foreign to me. But let's admit imperfection at the start, and not pretend to be above it all. It is not her daughter's behavior that pisses me off, it's Sarah's, particularly her public attitude.

well, that's fine, and i respect your right to an opinion ...

family values is an extremely important issue for a lot of people ... there is a lot of despair at the state of the culture, music, movies, tv, &c. the family values voters do not expect moral perfection from their politicians ... moral perfection is impossible, in any case ... and they often punish those who fall too far.

but ... i could go off here on any number of democrat self-righteous sleazeballs ... god, don't get me started ... it's all a matter of trust and perspective, i suppose. do democrats care when their own screw up? it seems like no ... not at all ... they either ignore the situation, or justify it somehow by balancing the bad with everything else the person has done they felt was good. it often makes me sick...

BTW, my parents go off on obama every time i talk to them, and that annoys me, too... and not because i am a fan ... they know i'm not ...

Jordan 10-E · Post by **Jordan 10-E** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:52 am

What is a Palin? A joke. Thank God her and McCain were not elected!!!! Absolute joke.

akmojo · Post by **akmojo** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:30 am

Hmmmm... interesting.. but not one of you are a resident of Ak nor have you had any direct dealings with Palin..
I've been here 35 years, had official buisness lunches with her when she was Mayor of Wasilla...
I voted for her but would not again nor do I think she would have been reelected here..
she came in at the last minute, said all the right things and rode a wave of popularity to a win before anyone had time to ask serious questions.. just like her VP run...
she has turned 180 degrees from all her campaign promises, became good friends with R. Ruedrich (the Rep Party Chair for Ak that she turned in for doing party work while on the job as a Commissioner for Oil and Gas, she resigned her Commissioner position early) she and hubby attempted to reopen the closed case against her ex bro in law (he had been disciplined by the Troopers, case was closed.. talk about a potential big Union law suit if she would have kept it up) she was also the barking dog for Republicans while not being able to answer simple questions, took her kids out of school every chance she could and drug them around with her and put them on the podium next to her... even went as far as demanding her kids be invited to events so she could justify their travel expenses to the state...
the list goes on and on.....
Dougly... I am gifting hand made, smoked wild Alaska salmon (Reds from the Russian/Kenai Rivers) in my camp but seeing as you think Ak is the same as Arkansas (except colder) then I'll see if I can find some smoked Carp for you... no doubt you'll be able to tell the difference.... heh-heh...

oh, I was just standing at my window looking at Russia this morning while reading a paper I didn't know the name of... drill baby drill....
stay the course Sarah.. the course back to Wasilla.....

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:14 am

akmojo,

my post was not about palin's job as governor so much as the tendency of the left to scream "hypocrisy" at *every* family values republican who slips in the moral arena.

the best comparison, as ygmir mentioned above, is with al gore, who goes on and on about the need to save energy, while using an obscene amount himself ... but is revered by the left anyhow because they *like his message.*

SilverOrange · Post by **SilverOrange** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:33 am

Hey akmojo,
What happened? I was working up in Kodiak fishing until last fall and it seemed like she could do no wrong according to the AK residents I was in contact with. I don't remember anyone ever saying one negative thing about her. What caused this fall from grace?

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:11 pm

SilverOrange wrote:Hey akmojo,
What happened? I was working up in Kodiak fishing until last fall and it seemed like she could do no wrong according to the AK residents I was in contact with. I don't remember anyone ever saying one negative thing about her. What caused this fall from grace?

The reality of non-substance showed its ugly face behind a pretty face!

Some are comparing her dropout of the governor office with Nixon, who did not resign from office, but dropped out of the political scene after losing both the presidential and governors election. Nixon was a foreign political genius.

Palin has none of the qualities of Nixon except his vindictiveness.

Her political carreer is OVER and soon she will doing what she always wanted to be- A Ultra Conservative Talk Show Host!

AIIZ